BTW, If you give an once of crap about this and what it can mean in the future for access to your beach. Stop ****ting diamonds tightarses and become a WAKSA member...

Shame, I've seen Euros teaching their mates and or girlfreinds in the Pond, at Beach3 at Woodies and at Point Walter with no concern for people around them or on the beach. I'll give you another heads up, Point Walter will be the next place to ban ALL Kiteboarding, unfortunately there are some people who dont give a stuff and just land and launch kites with no concern to members of the public or other kiters, Time to teach some manners!

^^ You're a dick.

PS. The beach isn't closed down.
All that happened is that the council banned something that was already against the law - i.e. operating a business on public land without a permit.

Also remember WAKSA are unpaid volunteers.

the walks said...

once again "f***wit", do your homework, a racist you say i am ashamed to say i was born in europe,

Hahaha, "ashamed" do you realize how stupid you sound?

There is quite a few frenchies on here raging in english that doesnt make much sense!

I rage when you guys take pooh's in the dunes or park in disabled spots. Or when you go into my god damn kite bag and use my motherfkn pump without asking.

But hey we all rage from time to time.. Where is Mr Soft Serve when you need him.. He has the answer for all the euro's..

Are you there Mr Soft Serve????

kitesasspro said...

mattyjee said...
^^ You're a dick.

PS. The beach isn't closed down.
All that happened is that the council banned something that was already against the law - i.e. operating a business on public land without a permit.

Also remember WAKSA are unpaid volunteers.

Im a dick, you don't even realise that this is the start not the end of the decision making process.
How do you think that the ban at mullaloo started, now all your mates have moved up to point walter and the other river spots how long before they get closed down.
Im the dick but you can't see in the future past today.
Volunteers or not members pay w/aksa fees, the main focus of W/aksa is to liase with councils and preserve beach access.
yeah mate i'm the dick but you're a superstar

i thought the main focus of aksa was to provide us with public liability insurance . If only that for $120 a year is ****all . so stop being a f$cking tightwad

like a wise man i know once said.

"asshole is an international passport"

This topic was constructif before you guys started with that bulls...
it s important what s happening here,future of tecinstruction means future of the sport.every school should work together to build strong roots for the sport in WA.
Every week the sea rescue guys,water safety and ppolice have to rescu,pick gear that is a immediate danger for ships.
Something should be done bout this too before more bans are put in place...

coldshot said...
I hear that someones kite got sucked up the cockburn cements vaccuum down at woodies

They had to shut down the multi million $ machine to drag it out

oh dear yet another X against us

oh well just another reason woodies will go

Can anyone confirm if there is any truth to this or is it just people spouting hearsay on the internet?

WOW nothing like a bit of outside influence on our sport to bring out the rabble.

mattyjee said...
^^ You're a dick.

PS. The beach isn't closed down.
All that happened is that the council banned something that was already against the law - i.e. operating a business on public land without a permit.

Also remember WAKSA are unpaid volunteers.

Absolutely Right & then sort of Right Mattyjee
Fact is that - whilst KSS will be complying with the council decision (we actuaully moved our teaching venue 2 weeks ago) - there is nothing the council can do to prevent kite instruction at Woodman Pt. And whats more they are fully aware that is the case.
For years now applications from legitimate schools - with pages and pages of 'kite intelligent' advice to assist with their problem of council officers knowing nothing of kiting procedures - have been lodged with the council & with DEC.
Consultation has been offered from the school operators & from WAKSA to assist with the development of a meaningful & workable 'Beach Management Plan". All to no avail.
Now - with no advice to those registered interested parties - they come up with an preemptive blanket ban which A) wont work & B) will in fact make the whole show worse.
And the rationale given for the decision is that it is an appropriate action to take until they formulate a workable "Beach Management Plan".

And as for the slagging from the Mr Anony'mooses's of 1/2 a dozen posts. I will say again, as I have many times, if you havent got the guts to put your name to your comments then your comments are as gutless and worthless as you are.
Weak as P**S.

And to the 'bury your head in the sand' criticism I sincerely apologise for leaving the shop counter for 3 days - I should be ashamed of myself. I should just sit here at my computer to attend to vitally important posts from ignorant anonymous posters within minutes.
Stick ur "kites" & your "pro" up you mid section Mr anonymous kites-ass-pro. Gutless wonderman.

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angelofroad said...
I did not want to offend people here. I like Aussies and Australia.
I just try to say racism is not the solution...
We are all kiteurs and we all share the same lifestyle...

I just dont see any racism going on here. At worst some could be accused of "generalising" when saying "euros".. its just a term. A bit like saying Rockingham is full of "bogans"

I notice a lot of euros (including poms) in Oz tend to get upset when this term is used in reference to annoying, disrespectful visiting european kiters.

Its not a case of racism (if technically you can even call it that?).. it just comes from an observed pattern of visiting kiters who have "generally" not given a **** about the state of the environment, local rules, locals, safety and future accessibility at the place they are visiting.. and guess where the majority of these kiters come from?...Europe

I think walks hit the nail on the head - "when in rome". A philosophy so simple yet so effective to keeping the peace at places you visit. Some places in my travels this foreign way of thinking is so separate from my own, but I'll never try to bring my own set of rules to a foreign place.. Unless Im looking for trouble

You want love, peace and all that jibe.. sometimes it just has to be on someone else's terms, not yours. One thing Ive learned which has been most effective in keeping everyone happy (even myself) is "respect the locals first and foremost, then they will respect you"

simple

Ok, so, maybe a bit off miss understanding from me and raging fast... Apologies... Let's close the debate and come back to something constructive...
Thanks for the explanations :)

herbyburger said...
Of all the schools that "were" teaching at the point PKS was the only ones
to have owner operators instructors down there full time, they are the most structured. The others had like overseas backpackers with some sort of teaching licence from Honduras, Teach where ever they want, dont give respect to the locals, in fact dont even bother to smile and say hello!!
I back Loic and Gwen in having their turf back!

Hey herdyburger - not sure who you actually are but no matter.
Just like to say that Im pretty sure the KSS instructors didnt fit the pic you painted. They have made friends with more locals than you possibly imagine. They are pretty much a full time part of the crew at all 3 beaches and never short of a smile.
As far as respecting the locals - my guys are told very definitely to work east of the launch area AND to do whatever they can to 'consult' with other instructors who they see doing the wrong thing.
Pretty much everyone at beach one knows me - or at least knows who I am - and everyone of them Ive spoken to have been asked to ring me direct if there is any problem at all with the KSS crew.

Not denying anything you have said re Gwen & Loic - great operators & always working on a professional approach to their students, the sport & the area.

Hello Fellow Kiters

I am not a frequent visitor here these days as I am way too busy running a business at this time of year and do not have much spare time for these kind of things.

A friend has prompted me to take a look, so here we are

First two pages seemed ok till I read a post from Gwen, interesting, I don't even know her and and yet she seems to think she knows an awful lot about me. I am a very private person

She Joined 16 feb 2013, oh ok and after further investigation Gwen runs a school called Perth Kitesurfing school, I thought that was Darren Marshals school, so I check and find out its another school with almost the same name that has been running lessons at Woodmens point for 1.5 years, registered since 01 Nov 2011

Perth Kitesurfing School - This is the same school that does not use helmets or even teach the self-rescue to their students! here they are writing a 10 page essay, OMG guys do I really have to read all that?
We thought these guys were just the flavors of the season teaching dodgy lessons as per usual each year.
Yet this Gwen seems to know so much about me and yet I have know idea who she is.

Where do you get your information from Gwen?
I do not believe it is very wise to come onto a public forum stating incorrect information about someone you know nothing about; it makes you look like a dick.

Do you really think it is good practice to be running and slandering your competition down with false information trying to make them look bad in the hope to make yourself look better ?? - Perth Kitesurfing School.
Especially when you have to work beside them in such close proximity on the beach? Really?! Not very professional of you and rather childlike

You are the same PERTH KITESURFING SCHOOL that was stealing students from us last season, do you really want me to bring these students onto the forum?

Lets correct somethings here
Paragraph 2. Chapter one
The schools (or at least Perth Kitesurfing School which is the busiest school at Woodman Point) have not been consulted in this decision at all which seems strange

Doesn't seem strange to me, maybe the council do not consider Perth Kitesurfing school to be a real school as they know how little time you have been teaching there. Busiest school? of course you're the school taking up too much space with too many students in each lesson, someone call crowd control!

Paragraph 5. When did you arrive into this country?
So you have been trying to get a license since 2009 ? yet Perth Kitesurfing School has only been in business for 1.5 years… November 2011

Lying about me Lying about you

Chapter 2 Paragraph 15. Owners which simply have no understanding of how lessons at Woodman Point happen
I cannot get me head around this last statement.
I have given more lessons at woodies over the years than you and all your other instructors put together! Really?
I think you need a better researcher. Maybe you should actually pay someone to do your research next time.

Chapter 3 paragraph 8. We understand that locals don't want their beach swamped with beginners. We are quite happy to move downwind to the main beach at beach 1 which is what we have been doing up until now
If you really knew what you were talking about, with your long boring essay, you would know that this is a dog beach and has been for the last 9 years that I know of and it hasn't changed. You are the closest school to where all the recreational kite surfers rig up and go out, you do not go down the beach like you preach.

Again this risk is minimised if people are taught how to “self-rescue” with a proper lesson from a proper school.
OMG this is the biggest joke ever, PERTH KITESURFING SCHOOL? you do not even do self-rescues in your lessons or even where helmets. If an IKO examiner came along to woodmen's point in the last 1.5 years, you would have been the first to have your certification taken from you an closed down.

potential risks are things that Caroline Bradley would be completely incapable of evaluating as she does her evaluation from 300km away and comes at Woodman Point once per season.
Wow there you go again, Im so impressed by how much you know about my personal life.…. little do you actually know ;)
Just because you can't see me doesn't mean Im not there.
I sit down there in the dunes filming your dodgy lessons without helmets or self rescues, I have quite the documentary from the last 1.5 seasons.

I run a very successful business, where I choose to run my business from and spend half of my week has nothing to do with the situation what so ever!! and quite simply try minding your own business.
This is why we have Managers in place, that report to us daily, like any other successful business.
Just wait till you see the footage of your school and then you will be very impressed at just how much time I spend at woodies... factually.

Saying that Caroline Bradley is an instructor is somewhat an overstatement too, she might have the qualifications but truth be told she hasn't given a lesson in years.
I have taught two separate lessons in 2 different locations just last week
Please….
I have more teaching hours up my sleeves than all your instructors put together, I am a level two senior and have been teaching full time (all year round all around the world) for 8+ years solid.

How come you seem to think you know so much about me?

Are the business owners of KSS and SOS or Kite addiction kitesurfing instructors? No!
What is your point? Are they at the beach every day? No!
Why not? Maybe because they are busy people running successful businesses? probably.

West Australian approached me to ask me about the situation at Woodmens Point I am wishing now they had asked another school and not ours. I just told it as I saw it and I am comparing it to the last 9 years.

Come on! its crazy down there, ask any of the local kite surfers!! some instructor from one school threatened to cut our lines one day last season. So many of these guys teach in the launching and landing area, can you imagine how frustrating this is for all the local kitesurfers just wanting to go for a kite after work.

Yes the article ended up being completely different from what they had first proposed and yes it got twisted around and NO I did not know this was going to happen, as if I would want this to happen.

I did not tell them I had the correct paperwork, if I did have the correct paperwork why would I be getting banned?

I think all your accusations are a pathetic way to try and make yourself look good.
None of which bother me actually, as I know the truth.

All I have ever done is try and keep our kitesurfing spot safe before you were even thinking about coming to this country.

I have contributed a lot of my time and energy in the kiteboarding community in WA over the years, Im very passionate about what we do and support our community in many ways.

PLEASE IF YOU ARE GOING TO COME ONTO A PUBLIC FORUM AND SLANDER YOUR COMPETITION

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT AT LEAST - SOME PEOPLE TAKE THIS FORUM FOR REAL

Really?! And we will be working side be side on the beach next season and the following, very strange behaviour

Well that was one hour I will never get back

See Y'all
Now its OUR time to Kite …. so bring on those winter storms!!!

Sorry to veer off but interested in point above. Always conflicting views on the use of helmets in kitesurf lessons. IMO I would say they are unnecessary but am still open to learn anything new about their use. I haven't ever heard of a student hitting their head hard during a lesson, has anyone? For sure know a friend (experienced rider) where helmet may have saved their ass though as they ploughed their head into rock groin (broke neck & helmet split), but any newbee would have been trained not to go anywhere near where my friend was/doing what he was trying!

Don't have anything against helmets, don't think they are bad - personal choice, well except for time my friend slammed hard on water and back of helmet hit neck and temporarily paralyzed him!

Winter is coming...

Proposed Kite Surfing Schools at Melville Beach Applecross, Attadale Foreshore and Point Walter:

www.melvillecity.com.au/about/elected-members/agendas-and-minutes/public-meetings/ordinary-meeting-of-council-19-march-2013/minutes-omc-19-march-2013.pdf

www.melvillecity.com.au/about/elected-members/agendas-and-minutes/public-meetings/ordinary-meeting-of-council-19-february-2013/minutes-omc-19-february-2013.pdf#page=1