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Weta
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15 Feb 2013 10:48pm
busterwa said...
Cockburn council are a bunch of incompetent ****en muppets. They should of acknowledged and given a permit to competent kite instructors long before now and imposed a management plan. To be honest alot of instructors would enforce/manage unsafe practices at and work for the council

Insted of dealing with the problem and managing it they have taken a were cop-out approach washed the hands of all liability leagally .Smart move by the pencil pushers but not a resolution to the problem.

They wont patrol it they dont need to . But if anyone injureds a second party the can be held negligent.They have put the emphasis back onto the puppet holding the strings.

Implementation and acknowledgement of competent insured instructors to facilitate training should of been done long ago. I also believe some kitesurfing instructors could work with local councils rangers to remove unsafe practices along the beach.
A ranger who is untrained/unskilled in kitesurfing is surely not competent to hand out fines to kitesurfers. . A trained kite-surfing instructor is.

I think a permit/liscencing type of system will probably be implemented in the shire of cockburn and other shires




Read "the walks" Previous comments; i shouldn't have to say it!! he knows what he's talking about.
busterwa
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15 Feb 2013 11:17pm
Spot on weta .nail went into the wood straight.


Surfed 15 min from there for 5 years by myself no one out 2 kilometres of beach. 3 cars.. I seen your tbaggins downwind and often wonder what it would be like surfing your over crowded dump full of show off sh1theads !! .
Mark _australia
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16 Feb 2013 12:17am
Faarrrkkk this is all a major surprise.


busterwa
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16 Feb 2013 12:31am
After 911 almost 12 years ago... a considerable amount of beach access closed off previously and heavily monitered by security to the public south of woodies in the next shire down /industrial have been open up again. Im not the one to test boundaries of private security . The Aus navy garden island are starting to gain confidence back into the general non-muslim public.
Underoath
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16 Feb 2013 2:35am
Some one should have contacted the Taxation Department/Immigration a long time ago. They could have stung numerous operators.

1) Not issuing receipts on receipt of services rendered
2) Not compliance with having an ABN
3) Not compliance with paying GST.
4) Immigration might be interested in their correct visas with regards to employment.
5) No insurance
6) Non-payment of employee superannuation and workers insurance (self-employee)
Triggerhappy
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16 Feb 2013 12:55am
I hear Pinaroo point is a good place to teach.
iandvnt
iandvnt
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16 Feb 2013 9:03am
A sad state of affairs, for so many reasons. Mine in particular i like the freedom of helping friends with their kiting occasionally - unpaid. Hopefully this will not effect this. As for kooks trying their hand at teaching friends... real nice helpful respectful explanations of the situation usually does the trick, laying hard into someone straight away just creates more enemies. Difficult situation now - shame it came to this and wasn't sorted out by everyone - easy to say tho i know.....
NoBS
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16 Feb 2013 10:34am
www.oneperth.com.au/2013/02/10/kitesurf-chaos/




"A letter from Bradley to the Trust says that many unauthorised schools have sprung up at Woodman Point and elsewhere in Perth"

iti
iti
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16 Feb 2013 12:51pm
why would you want to teacher at woodies beach 1 its on shore small beach and sand dunes every where
Triggerhappy
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16 Feb 2013 11:57am
NoBS said...
www.oneperth.com.au/2013/02/10/kitesurf-chaos/




"A letter from Bradley to the Trust says that many unauthorised schools have sprung up at Woodman Point and elsewhere in Perth"




How to win friends and influence people!
iti
iti
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16 Feb 2013 2:34pm
Triggerhappy said...
NoBS said...
www.oneperth.com.au/2013/02/10/kitesurf-chaos/




"A letter from Bradley to the Trust says that many unauthorised schools have sprung up at Woodman Point and elsewhere in Perth"




How to win friends and influence people!




bradley was kicked out of coggee beach no permit or insurrance too very interesting
Saffer
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16 Feb 2013 4:32pm
Business won't self manage. They are after all business. If they could away with having 24 instructors on the beach and charging 4x their current rate, they would and they don't mind ruining it for the kiters. I have yet to see a kiting school that doesn't follow this principle.
PerthKS
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16 Feb 2013 1:35pm
Hi everyone,

My name is Gwen I am the part owner of Perth Kitesurfing School with Loic. First of all it's good to see the thread above which mostly makes good points, I usually turn away from forums as I find nothing productive comes out of them with people pushing their own agenda aggressively unsupported by actual arguments.

That said I feel I can contribute to this thread. So here it is!

1. The decision of banning schools temporarily from Woodman Point will indeed penalise the schools rather than the rogue instructors and thus defeats the purpose of the ban from the start. A beach with no instructors is definitely not as safe as a beach with too many, however you put it. Accidents happen when people buy kit and have no idea how to use it. A shop will not turn down a $3000 sale and the second hand market and online shops would still provide gear even if the shops didn't. Readily available schools at multiple places is thus the best option. Woodman Point is one of the best spots to kite and teach in Western Australia and around the world. The lack of other beach users on beach one should make it the perfect candidate for a kiting and learning zone!
2. The schools (or at least Perth Kitesurfing School which is the busiest school at Woodman Point) have not been consulted in this decision at all which seems strange, even if just to get a grasp of the amount of lessons given, the number of accidents recorded, etc. I thus believe that “the report” is made out of letters and complaints from kiters and kite schools who selfishly would rather not have kite schools (or only their own) at Woodman Point regardless of it being a positive thing for the sport.
3. The schools have not been warned of this decision, have not been given opportunity to respond, have not been given a timeframe within which to reorganise business and lessons, even though we have been in contact with the council and applications have been put in. We were told back in October 2010 that the City of Cockburn was interested in formalising the use of Woodman Point for Kitesurfers and Kite Schools but that nothing was put in place yet, until this day, nothing has been put in place.
4. The reports of dangerous practice simply do not work with facts. I would take a wild guess and say that all schools combined, since Choice Kitesurfing has left in 2010 and we have started teaching there, about 3000 lessons of 2h have taken place (6000h, 250 full days of teaching). There has been one broken leg. I was there when this incident happened and it could have happened to any school. The fact is that the student was already riding independently but made a mistake, it could have happened outside of a lesson. What we need to understand is that it is not a risk free activity, we simply try to minimise risks and I feel that one incident unrelated to the amount of schools on the beach in 3000 lessons is a good number. The best way to minimise risk being to have trained instructors acting accordingly to the standards set for the use of the particular beach. Go to any regular football club (probably even lawn ball) and I'm sure you will find that there are way more incidents and injuries reported, why is it that when a kitesurfer gets hurt it sounds as if the blame should be put on someone? Some kite school owners claim Woodman Point is a “chaos and a circus”, while they are never ever present and have decided to boycott any agreement with other beach users and kite schools. Who has seen kite school owners other than myself and Loic at Woodman Point this season or the previous season or the one before that for that matter? It just seems like some people have decided to frighten the council in order to push forward their own agenda. The numbers show it, we do our job well, we should be encouraged to keep doing so.
5. Self-governing has been mentioned and some have been blaming the schools for not regulating the spot before the council kicked in. Without a licence, even if we did spot the rogue instructors (does that include the Kite addiction instructors and SOS instructors?) what could we have done? Tell them to leave? Furthermore some kite school owners have outright refused to compromise so far and thus regulate the spot. Again, apart from individuals complaining that it is too busy, there hasn't been many incidents, we have managed to make this work so far. That said it could definitely be managed better with council support as things could be enforced rather than suggested.
6. We have tried to get a licence since 2009, after Choice Kitesurfing left and before other schools got banned from other locations (Coogee) and showed up at Woodman Point. Other schools have been applying for a licence too. A decision could have been made a long time ago and prevented the current situation which penalises the wrong parties.
7. We have approached the 2 main other schools that use Woodman Point (KSS and Elemental) last year after a WAKSA meeting to put in an application together to co-regulate the spot: setting a maximum number of instructors, and formalising the ways the beach should be used. This option of co-regulation was dismissed by other owners which simply have no understanding of how lessons at Woodman Point happen, and simply delegate to their instructors (who fortunately have been good to work with unlike their bosses). The instructors of these schools change every year, have no previous understanding of the spot or its users. That said, most of them have been happy to comply with basic guidelines understanding that if everyone got along there would be less trouble. The multiple school option would prevent schools from becoming factories with tens of instructors, and monopolising prices, which ultimately will give place to better practice and a better deals for clients. We are still happy to pursue this option.
8. We understand that locals don't want their beach swamped with beginners. We are quite happy to move downwind to the main beach at beach 1 which is what we have been doing up until now. We could move further down to ensure there is enough space for the locals to ride the waves. However, if we were to do this we would need the downwind car parks to be safer. When we started teaching 3 seasons ago at Woodman Point we were teaching from the 2nd car park at Woodman Point, however cars kept being broken into so we moved up to the top end of the beach. Car break-ins are a consistent issue. If the council decides to put up a licensing system we could definitely move down wind, and even invest ourselves in cameras or other security systems but for this we need council support, which we haven't had so far. You kiters who know how to kite already, please remember how you started and be courteous to beginners who are indeed a little overwhelmed when you come riding too close to them.
9. Other spots around the world are way more crowded than Woodman Point is. The fact is that Perth is growing, there are more people everywhere, not just at Woodman Point. Sorry for those who feel there isn't enough space for them to ride, but there ill be more people out there as Western Australia increases population, that is a fact, it isn't to blame on the schools. Thanks to the schools, the additional kiters know what they are doing .
10. It has been mentioned in the thread that there were concerns about Woodman Point being an adequate beach to teach on. It is side onshore; we know it, which is why our students learn how to body drag upwind as a first skill, in the instructor's presence. Once they are at a safe distance from the beach they may practice flying the kite in the power zone. Unless schools teaching at sideshore locations launch and land kites from the water I don't see how with that technique (which indeed not every school at Woodman Point enforces) teaching at Woodman Point is any more dangerous than another location. Unfortunately people need to know how to fly their kite on land as well you thus have to give them a try at some point. No school in Perth teaches exclusively from water (which carries other risks) so please stop patronising. The advantage we have over say Pinnaroo is that there are barely any beach users other than kiters at Woodies which means that everyone there (beginner or not) is aware of the activity taking place which inescapably makes the practice safer. That said every beach is different and there are solutions to most problematic situations, including at Woodman, Safet Bay, Shoalwater, Melville and Pinnaroo.
11. Some schools teach with more than one kite in the air. If safety was your main concern, I believe you would give up that practice which prevents the instructor from being “there” at all times in case of trouble. Nothing new under the sun, one cannot split and be in two places at the same time!
12. The use of power boats at woodies would be more of nuisance than anything else, and with the side onshore wind students are inevitably brought back to the beach if in trouble, which is not the case at side shore locations. I have heard of stories of people breaking gear (the bar) out at Pinnaroo and thought they would die out there swimming with the gear for over an hour, getting no help from anyone, kiters and non-kiters. We all know how dangerous rips are, mainly because people get exhausted swimming against the current; swimming long distances with gear is the same. This would not happen at Woodman Point. Again this risk is minimised if people are taught how to “self-rescue” with a proper lesson from a proper school.
13. We have not just been taking and not given back. Perth Kitesurfing School has organised rubbish pick-ups on clean up Australia Day and other occasions taking part in the “Two Hands Project” (consisting of using your two hands for 30min to pick up rubbish at your favourite spot and build a repertoire of what is found to lobby against the use of plastic: www.twohandsproject.org/about/). On top of this we pick up rubbish while we teach and yes it is true that the beach could be cleaner, we just try to do our part! We would be happy to get more involved with the community and have thought of organising cheaper lessons and a second hand kit network to provide a summer activity to disadvantaged kids who might otherwise be up to no good (including those breaking into cars at Woodman Point). Projects like these are not straightforward but sometimes hugely successful and so worth it. Again for things like these to happen long term planning is necessary and council support is essential.
14. How can you pretend to be involved with safety standards and community concerns when you are simply not present? Complaining about a situation is simply not good enough, you have to participate to find a solution. Woodman Point does need some sort of regulation even though the situation is not as bad as some would like to portray it to push forward their own agenda, the fact is that there has only been one accident in 3 seasons. Yes accidents happen, all we can do is reduce the severity and occurrence of accidents, schools are the best tool to do this. Perth Kitesurfing School is committed to work with all the parties involved, other schools, the council, the locals and other beach users to provide high safety standards, participating in improving the sport, the local community and the local environment. We believe the option of 2-3 schools at Woodman Point with a maximum number of instructors is the best option for the locals and for the clients, however if the council decides there is only space for one school, which some schools will be pushing for, we will be applying to have that exclusivity.

Until further developments, blue windy skies to all, ride safe and keep the beaches and the ocean clean!

The PKS team
PerthKS
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16 Feb 2013 2:28pm
Reading more posts I feel I needed to say another thing or two.

Perth Kitesurfing School, has a business name, has insurance, all instructors have visas, we pay GST, we make sure to document all money transactions including cash and we pay taxes accordingly.

Just read the One Perth article with the following quotes:

“The officials say someone “advised” them that several instructors did not have insurance, accreditation and risk management plans."
"One instructor who says she does have the correct paperwork is Caroline Bradley who runs Elemental Surf, mainly from Woodman Point”
“Eight years ago I was the only school teaching at Woodman Point,” Bradley advises."
“The situation today is that there are around six-plus kitesurfing schools trying to instruct students at the same beach."
“It has totally gotten out of hand and the situation represents a huge safety hazard that will create an accident sooner or later.”

Caroline Bradley seems to have failed to mention that she does not have the accreditation either, she is one of those schools operating without a licence from the council, which is why she is also banned from Woodman Point since yesterday.
Saying she has been teaching at Woodman Point for 8 years is simply not true, she was teaching at Coogee beach until last year when she was banned from it. She then moved her lessons to Woodman Point during last year's season and decided not to cooperate with the school already teaching there (i.e. Perth Kitesurfing School).
There simply isn't six schools teaching there, the main players are Perth Kitesurfing School and Elemental with KSS (which are all three set up businesses and have insurance) teaching there every now and the and Kite Addiction (which is a shop not a school) more or less letting their instructors teach wherever they want, simply giving them gear. There are occasional "gumtree" instructors, although not many at all. The number of schools present and the potential risks are things that Caroline Bradley would be completely incapable of evaluating as she does her evaluation from 300km away and comes at Woodman Point once per season. Over inflating the number of schools and the potential risks is only used as a tool to selfishly push her own agenda forward. There simply hasn't been many incidents or accidents (1 broken in 3 seasons of teaching by multiple schools with multiple instructors, an accident unrelated to the amount of instructors on the beach) reported in comparison to the amount of lessons given. How come if the situation is as chaotic as it is portrayed? Saying that Caroline Bradley is an instructor is somewhat an overstatement too, she might have the qualifications but truth be told she hasn't given a lesson in years.
Giving sound arguments based on real facts is more likely to produce a favourable outcome for the sport and the community. Please keep this in mind if you have any complaints about the situation at Woodman Point or elsewhere, whether you are a school owner, an instructor, a kiter or a beach user.

We are fortunate to have the wind blow for everyone and the sun shine for everyone why spoil that? Finding a common agreement that satisfies everyone even though it might mean having to compromise is definitely possible.

Again, windy blue skies to all!

Gwen
the walks
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16 Feb 2013 3:16pm
Nice name for a kiteschool Gwen, where did that idea come from
airjunkie
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16 Feb 2013 7:36pm
I would like to say well done to perth kitesurfing school for joining the thread

however i expect you'll get a red thumb or two from forum members that prefer this forum for taking the p!ss rather than serious matters

but i can't stress enough that what one council does set's a benchmark for other council's so it's in all our interest if you kite in perth that this is handled in the right way . . . yes at the moment the ban is for instruction only . . . .

. . . . but future bans and there is a 100% chance it will happen (at some stage) will have ramification for all of us !

as we all know the sport's polarity is growing fast and with it an increase in exposure to the general public and inevitably more incidents.

when a particular member of our local council banned our kiting location our knee jerk reaction was the same as yours at PerthKS (what would they know about our kiting location from their office)
the fact is as a council member it is their job to react to the complaints from the public and with no structure of incident response or platform to deal with their complaints the only option in this litigation society is to put a ban in place

it is up to the kiting community as a whole to respond in a manner that shows we are not all adrenaline junkie maniacs and to work on a way forward for kiting

bans and restrictions are in there infancy in western australia lets approach this the right way for the sport as a whole

this is not just my opinion these are facts from a ban that members of the kiting community had lifted - and in the process totally changed the way we were viewed by the council in question
Stewemi101
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16 Feb 2013 9:21pm
Hey guys,

First of all, this whole situation boils down to council ignoring this issue for years and years and we all knew deep down this was going to happen sooner or later, as council kept putting it in the “too hard basket”. There are many many great, qualified instructors working on that beach doing what they can to keep the sport safe. Maybe more fingers should be pointed at the people who are teaching “mates” to teach all over the place.

I've worked for Caroline for 4 years, and have been involved in implementing safe teaching areas via flags and zones yet, without signage and proper regulation of the beaches, it is very difficult for other people to grasp the concept. Council needs to step up, along with all us kiters who love Woodies to put some permits in place. Caroline and Choice Kitesurfing shared Woodman's Point Beach 1, for 6 years with no problems. Caroline then also taught complete beginners at Coogee beach for safe beginner options where there is much more beach space, while always carrying proper insurance. Advanced lessons were still taught at Woodman's point. I think there are lots of people that need to get their facts correct and stop pointing fingers, when Caroline has been very proactive in trying to keep the sport safe all along. Caroline has been is operating her kiteschool for 8 years and has taught hundreds of students safe kiting, which is longer than any other school at Woodies. Obviously the papers would quote a long established school on safety issues regarding the sport.

We all knew Woodies was turning into a zoo and something needed to be put in place. How about we all turn to council instead of slaying into each other with incorrect information.

Forums can be very dirty and a nasty way of passive aggressively attacking people with false information, who are trying to do the right thing. How about we all stand up as a kiter community and make an impact on council.



















dave......
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17 Feb 2013 12:40am
As an ex manager of Woodies and a level 2 IKO kitesurfing instructor who has both taught and calls this stretch of water my local Id like to point out a few facts.

1) Choice kitesurfing had a permit to teach there through Francis Logan an avid windsurfer in his day. Woodmans point is both the councils doman and the DEC since it is a national park.

2) Caroline Bradley the owner of Elemental taught at a different location until the business was told to stop and desit, after lots of blow ins dropped kites on swimmers. She only employed very experienced operators.

3) Elemental kitesurfing has not been there for 8 years, try 3-4 tops....

4) Loic was an instructor for Woodies and when Choice folded he was actually the first school doing the right thing. He has spent the last 4 years trying to get a permit. TO NO avail.
5) In 2011 We had rogue schools treat it like a free for all. Local rules did not apply for these ****wts and the grey locals sorted it out, pierre, pat, duncan, tristian,
dave......
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17 Feb 2013 1:08am
Beach 1 always tolerated kite schools NOT blow ins who taught their mates dangerously. I cant count on the stars in the sky the amount of times the locals policed the beach. Bans, F*&J off.


I listened to 720sm the other day, People get hit by kites on the beach all the time . WHY. Dont you get the 2X line lenght rule.....

If your a dumbf^%$, teach at at crowded beach. Let your learner crash into someone else, Its JUST NOT here. Fuch off back to tarifa
the walks
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17 Feb 2013 10:04am
got a blow-in euro teaching at mullaz at mo, yesterday in light marginal winds i witnessed the 3rd different student in 2 weeks. Kite boarding perth teachers at mullaloo and has all required paperwork. This guy was approached and given a very friendly warning A very good relationship with the ranger and a direct phone number should insure a quick response but have no fear, if it carries on i will check downwind and cut a line
Happy kiting
the gibbo
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17 Feb 2013 10:21am
Cockburn council are not muppets, they are bureaucratic entity which does not understand or know how to react to the whole issue. It us unfair of us as a kite community to jump up down and expect them to foresee, regulate correctly. It needs to be done by our/a governing body namely WAKSA in conjunction with COC/DEC.

I don't know how much WAKSA is involved in this and would be good to hear their stance atm (they are busy at Kitestock so i am not holding my breath, not criticising i hope its going well and wish i was there), as they are the peak body for the sport in WA, whether some of you like it or not, if you don't like it get of your arse and form your own group and do something about it.

The schools are "commercial entities" using "public land", and therefore should be way more proactive than i have been made aware, just applying or asking for licenses is not enough, i doubt whether they would have tried that hard anyway as this will eventually make their business harder to run with compliance issues and cost in the form of license. Where are their own active posts asking what the community opinion is and how we can help each other ?? They are just as reactionary as COC when the proverbial hits the fan.

This doesn't apply to you all, but just some thoughts.

angelofroad
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17 Feb 2013 12:51pm
the walks said...
got a blow-in euro teaching at mullaz at mo, yesterday in light marginal winds i witnessed the 3rd different student in 2 weeks. Kite boarding perth teachers at mullaloo and has all required paperwork. This guy was approached and given a very friendly warning A very good relationship with the ranger and a direct phone number should insure a quick response but have no fear, if it carries on i will check downwind and cut a line
Happy kiting



Really clever and intelligent reaction...
the walks
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17 Feb 2013 1:02pm
over it mate,
theres not much time left, a wise grasshopper once said "when in Rome".
1 Euro today, how many tomorrow
word soon gets around and i fear that repairs to their one and only kite may prevent them coming back and turning it into another woodies.
Mates teaching mates is fine, would'nt dream of trying to stop that, it part of the sport and if needed will always get friendly advice.
Adverts on gumtree and no taxes being paid affects my life/style, now going to my local to if he's there today
suniboy21
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17 Feb 2013 4:34pm
Sounds like Caroline Bradley is a whistle blower, I say sharpen up the spears and light the torchers.....

Oh hang on.
Wheres perth again?

BLAH HAHA
birdie919
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17 Feb 2013 5:09pm
I vote for Gibbo to oversee things in Perth (While he sits around doing nowt all day)
juicerider
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17 Feb 2013 6:42pm
Im a little confused here. Let me see if I've got this correct.
There are no council approved kite schools operating at woodies.
The council has now banned something that was never approved in the first place.
So all that has now changed is the threat of rangers now enforcing what has never been approved.
The kite schools that were seeking approval, what has stopped them continuing to seek approval.
Is this rite or am I missing something here?
dave......
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17 Feb 2013 7:54pm
Do you think the guy that broke his leg there a couple of weeks ago had anything to do with the council's decision.nudge, nudge
dave......
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17 Feb 2013 8:10pm
juicerider said...
Im a little confused here. Let me see if I've got this correct.
There are no council approved kite schools operating at woodies.
The council has now banned something that was never approved in the first place.
So all that has now changed is the threat of rangers now enforcing what has never been approved.
The kite schools that were seeking approval, what has stopped them continuing to seek approval.
Is this rite or am I missing something here?


Missing a little. There are no permits to teach at Woodies (banned), Melville, Point Walter, Attadale,Leighton, Secret Harbour.In fact any beach except Pinnaroo or are you not from WA? Kiting at cottesloe you need to be a WAKSA member, otherwise you get idiots walking their kite into the golf course....

Councils have no interest in giving permits to a" dangerous" sport, we are quieter than jetskis but thats about it. Why, because the CLEAR guidelines set down by waksa are being observed by the majority but not the minority. Hence we are our own worst enemy. Honestly Ive said this a million times before be proactive on every beach you have the luxury to kitesurf at. Any experienced kitesurfer can see a clear and present danger just by seeing someone set up.
the walks
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17 Feb 2013 8:15pm
^^^^^Mullaloo(Kiteboarding perth) has a permit
dave......
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17 Feb 2013 8:49pm
the walks said...
^^^^^Mullaloo(Kiteboarding perth) has a permit
Green thumb to you.

Yes, I forgot to mention. One of the oldest running kiteschools in Perth. You get what you pay for, Quality lessons from experienced instructors. A good one can be spotted a mile away...
1) He/she is NOT SHOUTING
2) They have adequate room, if not they move to a safer place.
3) The learner isnt panicked at any time and can listen to instructions.
4) They respect other beach users because they love the sport themselves.

My biggest problem with any ban like this is. "Kitesurfing instructing banned", ie Kiteschools.How does the council stop mates teaching mates on kites that are too big. DEC COC, what will the waterline mean.?Mabe on their signs they should put a hotline number if they are serious on protecting public safety.

As The Gibbo said WAKSA are on holidays. Expect clarification from what a ban is in regards to "teaching" and what will happen with permits in the future.

So I read if a mate is giving is other mate a go on his new toy and no money has changed hands, what is the fine?
Oops someone broke his leg.....[}:)]
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