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Rovert
Rovert
QLD
68 posts
QLD, 68 posts
25 Mar 2007 8:33am
For all you out there who don't know the pleasure of cruising in light winds under a big Flysurfer, read on...

I've had magic light wind sessions at Wello on each of the last two afternoons - about 2 hours each. I had to go back and read this thread: "Gotta love lightwind days" (www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16108) - it was a large part of the reason for me getting a 17m Speed. Apparently that topic is too old for replies...hence this new one.

Now, I didn't have "glassy right handers" to pick off or waves to surf back on ...but the shallows south of Wello at mid tide in light winds with at least some east in them....very special. Hardly ever see anyone else there. And in light wind there is no one else anywhere. On Friday there was one other kite (Troy?) doing the walk of shame back from King Island. Yesterday there wasn't a kite or kiter to be seen ...sunny, 28C Saturday afternoon at Wello and no kites really means there is no wind.

So, south of the Wello jetty there are miles of shallow water. Most of the area I was riding would have been between 10 and 50cm deep while I was out. Although there is a long fetch from Straddie for chop to develop, the large area of shallows attenuates this to just about nothing. Gee that kite can move. I still pendulum under on jumps, my little hops weren't too good and, in that depth, back rolls with my successful completion rate are really not on ... but for the pleasure of just doing a long clean fast run leaving a 200m wash while listening to the fizz of a clean rooster tail with the setting sun glistening through it - bliss.

One weird experience. I really did go too shallow at one point so had to stop and walk to find more water. So there I am, in about 5cm of water, 400m from shore with this zeppelin hanging above me and it's really quiet - no wind noise because there's hardly any wind. How am I going to get going again??? Dive to right, just point down wind a little and the Speed lives up to it's name, develops heaps of apparent wind, and that hiss from the rooster is back again - fantastic.

For the record, here are the wind speeds from BoM at Banana Bank (knots, mean then gust -www.bom.gov.au/qld/observations/coastalmap.shtml#brisbane). It was obviously different from that at Wello....but that gives some idea. I'd say yesterday looks representative, but I doubt it was as windy at Wello as indicated at Banana bank for the 23rd.
24/3:
24 18:00 NE 08 11
24 17:30 NE 10 12
24 17:00 ENE 09 11
24 16:30 ENE 11 14
24 16:00 E 10 14

23/3
23 17:30 SE 14 17
23 17:00 ESE 14 17
23 16:30 ESE 13 16
23 16:00 ESE 12 15
23 15:30 SE 14 17
23 15:00 SE 13 16

Board: Cardboard 137 x 46, flat rocker, single concave.
Quads: Absolutely knackered.

Jeff, When are we going to put the Speed and Psycho III next to each other?

Graeme, if, as you say, you have riparian rights way out where I was kiting, I think that implies that if I hit that single large rock which is about 400m from your back door, you'll be the person my lawyers should contact about compensation? Perhaps you'd better get out there at low tide and either move it or dig it in a bit?

To Ian, Tobes and Andreas who encouraged me to try a big Flysurfer (which meant buy one since there were none up here in Brisbane), thanks very much.
quirky
quirky
NSW
27 posts
NSW, 27 posts
25 Mar 2007 10:41am
youre right flysurfers are magic, love them, went on friday and saturday about 10 kt a little bit more at times flying 10m psycho3.dreaming of a 19m silverarrow special eddition.Got a 12.5m warrior second hand but new recently powerful kite, do you know if you can put a smaller bar setup on it, i think im doing something wrong the depower is set up as sheet in is de power if this is can the pully system be modified
sargio
sargio
WA
15 posts
WA, 15 posts
25 Mar 2007 10:47am
great post Rovert!!

I have to agree with you that flysurfers are GREAT.

I fly a 10m pulse myself and love it - no pumping , no help launching required , easy to relaunch.

Why use anytrhing else??

Sargio
Rovert
Rovert
QLD
68 posts
QLD, 68 posts
25 Mar 2007 2:36pm
Quirky, I'm sorry, I can't help you with the bridle setup. I've had my Speed for about 6 months and am still too scared to touch anything on the bridle - though I don't need to in any case. Ian Young (Perth) might be able to help with the Warrior. Otherwise read the manual (old ones are on the Flysurfer web site) and the foilzone forums. Tobes might also be able to help - I think he's on the NSW south coast. I'd be very careful messing with the lines...make sure you can at least get back to where you started!

Sargio, I'd love to try a Pulse. The guy I got my Speed from, 2nd hand from Switzerland, rides a 10m Pulse when it's windy and a P3 17m in light winds - he's very happy with them both. I had a brief go on a 13m P3 a few weeks ago (thanks again Darren)....very nice. I wasn't trying to hype the Flysurfers when I first wrote...just attempting to give people a feel that light wind kiting can be good. But, as long as you've mentioned it, the self launch, self land, no pump, no running lines...they all add to it. To answer your question, "Why use anything else?", it must at least have something to do with $$$$. Those selling them will tell you, probably accurately, that they last much longer than tubes so, in terms of dollars per hour on the water, are probably quite cheap...but the fact remains that the upfront cost is a bit scarier than for most tubes.
ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
WA, 649 posts
25 Mar 2007 2:07pm
Quirky, the Warrior and all FlySurfer bars work the same as all kites ie sheeting in will power the kite up - in light winds any wing can stall and lose power if it is sheeted in too much and in that case you will need to depower to make it fly again.

Unlike most LEI kites you can still go upwind in the lower part of the wind range with the more efficient full double-surface aerofoil of a FlySurfer because you can generate enough apparent wind when you depower after a near-stall to get your board moving fast enough to then lock your kite off - you can even sheet in and out keeping your kite low at the edge of the wind window to accelerate the board (rather than doing a figure8 which tends to drag you downwind at the top of each stroke) in light winds.
Jeff R
Jeff R
QLD
75 posts
QLD, 75 posts
25 Mar 2007 8:06pm
Hey Trevor / Was only today told about your write up in sea breeze . Keen as to put the my P3/17 up against the Speed . Even keener to swap kites . I have heard a lot about the speed but yet to see one perform . Send me a tex or an e-mail next time you are going and my self and a Peter Lyn sailor will be their . Looser shouts the coffee.

Am now a distributer for Fly Surfer with Ian and have a p3/13 and p3/17 for demo's with a P3/10 in stock for sale.
Web site soon to be on line . www.flysurferkites.com.au

Hope to see you soon . Lets rock & roll and show these tube kiters what a real kite can do.
Jeff R
Jeff R
QLD
75 posts
QLD, 75 posts
25 Mar 2007 8:35pm
quote:
Originally posted by quirky

youre right flysurfers are magic, love them, went on friday and saturday about 10 kt a little bit more at times flying 10m psycho3.dreaming of a 19m silverarrow special eddition.Got a 12.5m warrior second hand but new recently powerful kite, do you know if you can put a smaller bar setup on it, i think im doing something wrong the depower is set up as sheet in is de power if this is can the pully system be modified



Quirky / Do you follow apparent wind terminology . This is wind you creat / If you stand on the beach and can feel no wind on your face , then run down the beach you will feel wind . This is apparent wind . So if you run down wind to creat speed with your board then turn up the kite will also excellerate creating its own wind thus creating power .How ever if you pull on the bar too far this will intern chock the angle of the kite to the wind stopping the kite from performing .
As Ian points out , by working the bar ,the kite will perform .Feel the power, then exhaust a little and so on.
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
25 Mar 2007 9:00pm
Nice write up Rovert.
Good to hear there's a few more kiters adventurous enough to give foils a try.
Had a chance to try the P3 13 a few weeks ago, cheers Robbo1111. Mightily impressed.
It's been a while since my big Speed got a good workout, we've had a great season, but now the winds dropping I think I'll be back out throwing big rooster tails in the light stuff. Sounds like a great spot for lightwind kiting!
I recently replaced the "sparepartlines" that run through the pulleys, they shrink over time, the kite came to life again, just like when it was new. The newer kites can be easily adjusted to compensate for this shrinkage, but with the Speeds you either need to add a pigtail or replace the line.

Speaking of new, have the Speed2's made it to Oz yet? I'm interested to hear about the 15m particularly.....
ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
WA, 649 posts
25 Mar 2007 7:23pm
Yes Tobes the Speed2 is here, In fact we already sold all the first shipment but expect more to clear customs next week. Unfortunately we only have 6m and 10m coming in this batch.

The Speed2 is definitely my weapon of choice in waves or racing now but it is a high AR kite and does not have quite as much pop as the Psycho3 (still both kites boost very impressively) - both turn sweet but the Speed2 tends to rotate around the wind tip whereas the Psycho3 spins around the centre of the kite making it great for freestyle and kite loops (hooked and unhooked). Both kites depower much quicker than the Speed1 and Psycho2.

All new FlySurfer models have a mixer which enables the lines to be optimized as the kite gets older, avoiding the problem Tobes described with his Speed1. Amazing how many people are still flying their FlySurfers after 3-5 years and still content with their performance - I guess the German slogan "Ahead of their time" may not be too far wrong!
Jeff R
Jeff R
QLD
75 posts
QLD, 75 posts
25 Mar 2007 9:52pm
Ian / I was told by Marko , a German fellow , that the speed 2 is harder to relaunch off the water than the P3 . Is that correct or not .
crakas
crakas
QLD
468 posts
QLD, 468 posts
25 Mar 2007 10:00pm
Jeff,

Pity you weren't shoutin' that day in the surf at the reef a couple of weeks ago, cause I was runnin, rings around you. Nice session that was....and it's spelt Peter Lynn ...not Peter Lyn.
ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
WA, 649 posts
25 Mar 2007 8:04pm
I find both Psycho3 and Speed2 still very easy to relaunch - the technique varies slightly in how much brake line is required to be initially pulled in to flip the kite if LE down - then once LE up not to pull in too much brake line. Both kites may need the trim (depower strap) to be let all the way out and a few pumps of the centre line to facilitate quick relaunch in lighter winds ie it's just optimizing the technique to each kite but the principles are still the same.
crakas
crakas
QLD
468 posts
QLD, 468 posts
25 Mar 2007 10:19pm
Jeff,

You did pretty good to relaunch the P3 17 in the surf considering the conditions, lack of wind and sweep. Isn't good how the foils just float over the white water instead of being caught by it like the pump ups do.

Long live the foil...
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
26 Mar 2007 7:26pm
Who sells them in Brissy Rovert do you know? Interested in giving them a go. Looking for a small kite to take to the snow this year. You tried them on snow yet?


quote:
Originally posted by Rovert

For all you out there who don't know the pleasure of cruising in light winds under a big Flysurfer, read on...

I've had magic light wind sessions at Wello on each of the last two afternoons - about 2 hours each. I had to go back and read this thread: "Gotta love lightwind days" (www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16108) - it was a large part of the reason for me getting a 17m Speed. Apparently that topic is too old for replies...hence this new one.

Now, I didn't have "glassy right handers" to pick off or waves to surf back on ...but the shallows south of Wello at mid tide in light winds with at least some east in them....very special. Hardly ever see anyone else there. And in light wind there is no one else anywhere. On Friday there was one other kite (Troy?) doing the walk of shame back from King Island. Yesterday there wasn't a kite or kiter to be seen ...sunny, 28C Saturday afternoon at Wello and no kites really means there is no wind.

So, south of the Wello jetty there are miles of shallow water. Most of the area I was riding would have been between 10 and 50cm deep while I was out. Although there is a long fetch from Straddie for chop to develop, the large area of shallows attenuates this to just about nothing. Gee that kite can move. I still pendulum under on jumps, my little hops weren't too good and, in that depth, back rolls with my successful completion rate are really not on ... but for the pleasure of just doing a long clean fast run leaving a 200m wash while listening to the fizz of a clean rooster tail with the setting sun glistening through it - bliss.

One weird experience. I really did go too shallow at one point so had to stop and walk to find more water. So there I am, in about 5cm of water, 400m from shore with this zeppelin hanging above me and it's really quiet - no wind noise because there's hardly any wind. How am I going to get going again??? Dive to right, just point down wind a little and the Speed lives up to it's name, develops heaps of apparent wind, and that hiss from the rooster is back again - fantastic.

For the record, here are the wind speeds from BoM at Banana Bank (knots, mean then gust -www.bom.gov.au/qld/observations/coastalmap.shtml#brisbane). It was obviously different from that at Wello....but that gives some idea. I'd say yesterday looks representative, but I doubt it was as windy at Wello as indicated at Banana bank for the 23rd.
24/3:
24 18:00 NE 08 11
24 17:30 NE 10 12
24 17:00 ENE 09 11
24 16:30 ENE 11 14
24 16:00 E 10 14

23/3
23 17:30 SE 14 17
23 17:00 ESE 14 17
23 16:30 ESE 13 16
23 16:00 ESE 12 15
23 15:30 SE 14 17
23 15:00 SE 13 16

Board: Cardboard 137 x 46, flat rocker, single concave.
Quads: Absolutely knackered.

Jeff, When are we going to put the Speed and Psycho III next to each other?

Graeme, if, as you say, you have riparian rights way out where I was kiting, I think that implies that if I hit that single large rock which is about 400m from your back door, you'll be the person my lawyers should contact about compensation? Perhaps you'd better get out there at low tide and either move it or dig it in a bit?

To Ian, Tobes and Andreas who encouraged me to try a big Flysurfer (which meant buy one since there were none up here in Brisbane), thanks very much.

Rovert
Rovert
QLD
68 posts
QLD, 68 posts
26 Mar 2007 8:26pm
Padi, I understand Jeff Roberts has become a distributor, tied up with Ian Young (in WA) somehow. I'm still trying, after some months, to hook up with Jeff to compare his Psycho III 17m with my similar sized Speed. The Psycho III is a current model. See Jeff's note (Jeff R) higher in this post and PM to make contact. He lives up your way (ie north side of Brisbane) somewhere. I haven't tried anything on snow...but am mighty tempted to do so if I get the chance.

Good luck. Fantastic kites...pity I only have the one big fella. I'll be trying to (rationalise the need for and then) purchase a high wind Flysurfer - probably 10m P III if I get lucky or alternatively another 2nd hand Speed.
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
27 Mar 2007 1:23am
Thanks mate. Jeff has just been in touch.

quote:
Originally posted by Rovert

Padi, I understand Jeff Roberts has become a distributor, tied up with Ian Young (in WA) somehow. I'm still trying, after some months, to hook up with Jeff to compare his Psycho III 17m with my similar sized Speed. The Psycho III is a current model. See Jeff's note (Jeff R) higher in this post and PM to make contact. He lives up your way (ie north side of Brisbane) somewhere. I haven't tried anything on snow...but am mighty tempted to do so if I get the chance.

Good luck. Fantastic kites...pity I only have the one big fella. I'll be trying to (rationalise the need for and then) purchase a high wind Flysurfer - probably 10m P III if I get lucky or alternatively another 2nd hand Speed.

fver
fver
WA
453 posts
WA, 453 posts
27 Mar 2007 6:59am
quote:
Originally posted by ianyoung

Amazing how many people are still flying their FlySurfers after 3-5 years and still content with their performance


I confirm that!

quote:
Originally posted by Rovert

Good luck. Fantastic kites...pity I only have the one big fella. I'll be trying to (rationalise the need for and then) purchase a high wind Flysurfer - probably 10m P III if I get lucky or alternatively another 2nd hand Speed.


I recommend the Speed 10m (Perth conditions- 75/80kg): Fantastic kite for high jumps and speed!

I can not compare with the Psycho3 or Speed2 as I have not tried them ... yet.

Fred
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