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KIT33R
KIT33R
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11 Nov 2010 9:17am
With the summer kiting season now in full swing, it's probably a good time to refresh your memory with what's acceptable behaviour on our bays and and in the surf.

We don't want to get in each others way or cause grief to other water and beach users so please, new kiters and experienced alike, read the "Code of Conduct" prepared by NSWKBA.

http://www.nswkba.com.au/coc

You wouldn't drive a car without knowing the rules of the road. It's the same on the water. The Code is designed to help you kite safely, minimise incidents and keep our beaches open.

Please comment to keep this thread current for a few days. Thanks.

suface2air
suface2air
QLD
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11 Nov 2010 8:54am
Hey kitt33r . Good post hope the message gets out there .
onemorehuey
onemorehuey
NSW
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11 Nov 2010 2:24pm

Below is the general rule that I use:

When two riders are on opposite tacks and there is a need to alter course to avoid collision, the port tack rider (left shoulder forward) shall alter course and/or kite position in order to keep clear of the starboard tack rider (right shoulder forward) who should maintain the same course and speed.

However this one is noted in an earlier block of text:
Riders must yield to others when jumping, to anyone on your right hand side and to launching riders

Does the right hand side rule in the second note only relate to jumping?

If not there seems to be confusion with the starboard tack right of way as an approaching rider would be on ones right hand side?

The one that always worries me is people jumping less than a line length from the beach. Can get messy very quick if you crash the kite.
eppo
eppo
WA
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11 Nov 2010 11:38am
When two riders are on opposite tacks and there is a need to alter course to avoid collision, the port tack rider (left shoulder forward) shall alter course and/or kite position in order to keep clear of the starboard tack rider (right shoulder forward) who should maintain the same course and speed.

On the west coast, most waves break left parallel to the south west. Hence on a starboard tack (coming into shore) one needs to get upwind as much as possible to set up to go down the line.

Hence the port tack out to sea, should give way, although I find this doesn't seem to happen all the time. Especially when you have a large wind surfer moving at high speeds on a port tack, I tend to just get out of the way.
kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
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11 Nov 2010 2:41pm
I always curtsey when I pass the "Latte Set" from the North Shore when they visit us.

KR
tobes
tobes
NSW
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11 Nov 2010 3:15pm
That's an excellent article.
Not just good manners, it's potentially life saving safe kiting practice.

I just have one suggestion, if you changed the name to "Code Of Conduct (for) Kiters" the acronym would be even funnier.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
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11 Nov 2010 3:15pm
What you guys have mentioned is true and correct but there is more to it as outlined in the Code we put together last year.

I think the basic problem is that people have learnt these rules by osmosis over time and when you're new to this sport you know nothing of the rules. It's not taught by the kiting instructors, correct me if I'm wrong, but I constantly see people with limited experience jumping in front of approaching riders, turning in front of approaching riders, tailgating, not lowering their kites when down wind of approaching kiters, standing on the beach in the transition zone chatting to mates with the kite at 12 o'clock. The list goes on.

Read the Code and ask yourself how often you see breeches.

Quite often people don't know they're being a nuisence or dangerous and are happy to comply when things are pointed out.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
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11 Nov 2010 3:17pm
tobes said...

That's an excellent article.
Not just good manners, it's potentially life saving safe kiting practice.

I just have one suggestion, if you changed the name to "Code Of Conduct (for) Kiters" the acronym would be even funnier.


I'll raise it at the next meeting. (No pun intended)
destine
destine
NSW
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11 Nov 2010 3:25pm
KIT33R said...


Quite often people don't know they're being a nuisence or dangerous and are happy to comply when things are pointed out.


I completely agree with that!! I'm only just learning the rules through the forums. being taught them would be good. Specially for some one that has not grown up on the ocean or on water.

I would be only too happy to comply with rules or moving off if im being a nuisence/dangerous to others.

Just point it out. I'll just be like "Doh"

KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
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11 Nov 2010 3:46pm
destine said...

KIT33R said...


Quite often people don't know they're being a nuisence or dangerous and are happy to comply when things are pointed out.


I completely agree with that!! I'm only just learning the rules through the forums. being taught them would be good. Specially for some one that has not grown up on the ocean or on water.

I would be only too happy to comply with rules or moving off if im being a nuisence/dangerous to others.

Just point it out. I'll just be like "Doh"




I'm really happy with this positive attitude. The last thing I want to do is be sherrif on the beach.

Read the Code - at least it's a start.
DaveyJay
DaveyJay
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11 Nov 2010 1:26pm
I picked these up just after my lessons when I was working to get a grip on things and reading around the place for some useful info.

I understand the request for beginners to keep out of the way and wholeheartedly agree. I will say however that it is also the responsibility of an experienced rider to not then encroach on the space said beginner has found.

When I was still getting the hang of standing up/basic riding and it was obvious I was new to things I had a number of experiences with more advanced riders riding towards me at high speed, spraying me, yelling at me and generally being idiots.

Not only is this rude, it is extremely dangerous. If I had been scared by what they were doing and lost control of my kite it could have caused a serious incident and injured both of us. And I would be willing to bet if it had happened I would've been blamed as the newbie idiot.

My 2 cents.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
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11 Nov 2010 4:33pm
^^ Yep. Good idea to give the new guys room. I remember when I was just getting going. It took major effort and concentration just to travel in a straight line.

First rule on the water. Avoid any potential collision no matter who has right-of-way.
slimjim
slimjim
NSW
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11 Nov 2010 6:58pm
KIT33R said...

^^ Yep. Good idea to give the new guys room. I remember when I was just getting going. It took major effort and concentration just to travel in a straight line.

First rule on the water. Avoid any potential collision no matter who has right-of-way.


Yea, I'll go along with that.

J
milko
milko
NSW
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11 Nov 2010 7:39pm
When two riders are on opposite tacks and there is a need to alter course to avoid collision, the port tack rider (left shoulder forward) shall alter course and/or kite position in order to keep clear of the starboard tack rider (right shoulder forward) who should maintain the same course and speed.

This rule does not apply to natural footers on surfboards who's left shoulders are always forward..
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
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11 Nov 2010 8:06pm
Damn,,I thought if I ride switch on the way out,then natural on the way in ,
Everyone had to clear out of my way as I gave them the finger

And if Im riding blind,,,everyone get the f@ck out of the way cause I cant see where Im going and am totally out of control.

If everyone lived by my rules,
the world ( I would) be happier.
bjw
bjw
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11 Nov 2010 7:15pm
I always try to pass the duchie on the left hand side.
lotofwind
lotofwind
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11 Nov 2010 8:22pm
bjw said...

I always try to pass the duchie on the left hand side.


I always thought that was a song about kiwis who liked exotic farm animals.....
"pass the Dutch sheep on the left hand side"
chronic
chronic
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11 Nov 2010 10:17pm
quote lotofwind
"And if Im riding blind,,,everyone get the f@ck out of the way cause I cant see where Im going and am totally out of control."

correct this especially apply out kkk if you see a certain galah heading towards you
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
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11 Nov 2010 10:37pm

correct this especially apply out kkk if you see a certain galah heading towards you


In the land of the blind - the one eyed man is king

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tatkins
tatkins
QLD
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12 Nov 2010 12:04pm
Thats way too much to read.

I'm glad we don't have all those rules here!
rhinoman
rhinoman
QLD
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12 Nov 2010 12:28pm
just do what you want and the ones who still kite at the end of the day win ..now move out of my way
mattyjee
mattyjee
WA
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12 Nov 2010 11:44am
Obviously waveslave hasn't read it yet judging by his lack of comment...
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
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12 Nov 2010 3:54pm
tatkins said...

Thats way too much to read.

I'm glad we don't have all those rules here!


At least you had a look. Most of it's just common sense.
kimpa
kimpa
25 posts
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12 Nov 2010 1:01pm
" If you see someone putting your access at risk by poor practices, assemble several of your friends and have a friendly talk with the person."

Form a mob! Kiteboarding needs more mobs.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
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12 Nov 2010 4:32pm
kimpa said...

" If you see someone putting your access at risk by poor practices, assemble several of your friends and have a friendly talk with the person."

Form a mob! Kiteboarding needs more mobs.


Or a rabble. Kiteboarding needs more rabbles.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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12 Nov 2010 2:09pm
mattyjee said...

Obviously waveslave hasn't read it yet judging by his lack of comment...


jev7337
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QLD
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12 Nov 2010 4:35pm
KIT33R said...


correct this especially apply out kkk if you see a certain galah heading towards you


In the land of the blind - the one eyed man is king

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Nice pet you got there - whatever it is. Just make sure you put some sunblok on the poor bugger whan you take him down to the beach.
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
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12 Nov 2010 8:18pm
waveslave said...

mattyjee said...

Obviously waveslave hasn't read it yet judging by his lack of comment...





Waveslaves best post of the year.
No poetic phrasing,
just straight to the point.
Which is........
Gorgo
Gorgo
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12 Nov 2010 10:43pm
I will add my pet hate of people riding close behind other riders, especially when heading in towards the beach. What do you expect them to do? Ride up on to the sand?

If you are going to ride close behind another rider then it is up to you to be ready to avoid the rider in front when they jump, turn, fall off, whatever.
Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
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12 Nov 2010 7:52pm
^^^ ditto
I was going to pwn a nooby yesterday, but thought, he's got no idea.
It's best to give beginners plenty of room
terryzarmzof
terryzarmzof
QLD
336 posts
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12 Nov 2010 9:56pm
i couldnt see where it says core riders have no idea and should be avoided at all cost
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