daggy said...

explain to me how registration will keep the crowds down?
people will simply register and then turn up.
or ride unregistered, cause who's gonna stop them!
euros will just say they didn't know.
(I kited Maui last year and after all the effort of getting to Kite beach with my gear I was hardly not going to kite just cause I hadn't paid my registration fee to some local kiting group!)

he's got a point....

sure does

eppo said...

daggy said...

explain to me how registration will keep the crowds down?
people will simply register and then turn up.
or ride unregistered, cause who's gonna stop them!
euros will just say they didn't know.
(I kited Maui last year and after all the effort of getting to Kite beach with my gear I was hardly not going to kite just cause I hadn't paid my registration fee to some local kiting group!)

he's got a point....

Lovely said...

So can these bridal riding wanna be surfers ride up wind? neatly self land?

Can anyone neatly self land in 28 knots?
Brighton is indeed pure mayhem, it's because everyone is scared to park in the Trigg carparks so every single bastard finishes his downwinder at Scarborough so their car isn't broken into when they arrive.

too much mescaline.

Lovely said...

So can these bridal riding wanna be surfers ride up wind? neatly self land?

you are cursed with regular summer windy days and good flatwater spots to learn which means you are doomed to have lots of beginners who don't give up .You also have quite a number of operators actively promoting the sport as a result.

.WA was pretty slow to catch on compared to the east but has gone way past us now .I noticed that the growth in the daylight saving years in Perth was massive in comparison to prior to it .You now have a critcial mass as a result (the ol 100th monkey story ,where when there is only or a few no one much notices or cares until you get to a population point of people doing it where suddenly everone wants to do it),I don't think that the canning of daylight saving will deter noobies now that the critical mass has been achieved .It will be interesting to see what transpires regulation wise .It seems that the current situation is creating a lot of pressure and that this pressure will keep increasing.

Or this will become the norm
and natural attrition makes its
moves!!!
Off to the shop to stock up on
spare line sets and double edge knives!!
Good Luck!!!![}:)][}:)][}:)]

RPM said...


just for the lols.





Hook knives will be the order of the day soon enough...

to start to solve this problem, you (perth kiters, waksa, seabreeze) should use a standard problem solving technique, like the continuous improvement loop.
you can't solve anything by saying "too much", "euros", "tools", "scary numbers"

A) quick survey
1) get as much real data as possible on the problem.
- have someone at every beach every day counting kiters coming to the beach. and report on seabreeze: "today at 3pm there was 27kiters at this spot, there was 23knots. not much people on the beach, and there was15kiters at 6pm"


2) take the data and make useful graphs, stats. (on average on a windy saturday, there are 20kiters a scarbs)

3) analyse the data

4) publish the data.

5) act, change something

6) do it again


this real data would also be very useful for waksa to use with councils.


B) detailled survey

you could also do a survey of kiters on the beach (because not everyone is on seabreeze.) I don't think people would mind answering a few short questions after kiting (not before)

- where do you live, where are you from?
- which spots do you most often go to kite?
- why do you go to these beaches?
- what do you look for in a spot?
- which days of the week do you kite?
- how long have you been kiting?
- which kite school did you learn at?
- if you are from overseas, how long do you intend to stay in WA, how long do you stay in perth?
- how did you find this beach?
- which other beaches have you heard of?



C) published infos

I think it's quite stupid to avoid naming spots on seabreeze, because they are everywhere on the net. google "safety bay kite", and you get over a million answers.
all the spots are named and on maps in weather forecasts websites, seabreeze or other (and kiters are quite well known to use these very often)

even if overseas kiters didn't know where the spots are exactly it wouldn't keep them from coming when they see photos, videos of kiting and weather data. they would just come and find out where to kite when they would be in WA.


I think some kiters (mostly newbies) go to crowded spots because they are like sheep, they follow the crowd

when they started they saw lots of kiters there, so they tought if there are a lot of people, it must be a good place to kite, so they kept coming there. and they never bothered testing and finding other good spots.

how many people always kite on the beach near the schools they took lessons from? first because they feel safer because they are near the school and after because they get to know the people kiting here and belong to a group


the solution is to spread a maximum of infos on every spots in WA. so kiters spread on different spots.
if you tell one of your travelling friend that kiting up north (or down south) is way better and everything they need to know, it may means you will have 3 less kiters on perth beaches the day after. and they tell their friends, and next year you will have 10 less kiters on metro beaches

perth beaches will always be more crowded you can't avoid the fact that there are about 1.7 million peoples living there. when you think of the percentage of people kiting in perth its so few. 1% of the population would be 17 000 local kiters. when you think how many people there is in perth who could become kiters, 20 or 30 kiters at scarbs is really nothing
when you think about 3 million passengers coming from overseas and 7.5million people arriving from other states arriving at perth airport annually, 20 or 30 kiters at scarbs is really nothing


the only thing that keep a good spot from being crowded is ease of access, I don't think lizard island is ever going to be crowded

hope this help

enicao said...

to start to solve this problem, you (perth kiters, waksa, seabreeze) should use a standard problem solving technique, like the continuous improvement loop.
you can't solve anything by saying "too much", "euros", "tools", "scary numbers"

A) quick survey
1) get as much real data as possible on the problem.
- have someone at every beach every day counting kiters coming to the beach. and report on seabreeze: "today at 3pm there was 27kiters at this spot, there was 23knots. not much people on the beach, and there was15kiters at 6pm"


2) take the data and make useful graphs, stats. (on average on a windy saturday, there are 20kiters a scarbs)

3) analyse the data

4) publish the data.

5) act, change something

6) do it again


this real data would also be very useful for waksa to use with councils.


B) detailled survey

you could also do a survey of kiters on the beach (because not everyone is on seabreeze.) I don't think people would mind answering a few short questions after kiting (not before)

- where do you live, where are you from?
- which spots do you most often go to kite?
- why do you go to these beaches?
- what do you look for in a spot?
- which days of the week do you kite?
- how long have you been kiting?
- which kite school did you learn at?
- if you are from overseas, how long do you intend to stay in WA, how long do you stay in perth?
- how did you find this beach?
- which other beaches have you heard of?



C) published infos

I think it's quite stupid to avoid naming spots on seabreeze, because they are everywhere on the net. google "safety bay kite", and you get over a million answers.
all the spots are named and on maps in weather forecasts websites, seabreeze or other (and kiters are quite well known to use these very often)

even if overseas kiters didn't know where the spots are exactly it wouldn't keep them from coming when they see photos, videos of kiting and weather data. they would just come and find out where to kite when they would be in WA.


I think some kiters (mostly newbies) go to crowded spots because they are like sheep, they follow the crowd

when they started they saw lots of kiters there, so they tought if there are a lot of people, it must be a good place to kite, so they kept coming there. and they never bothered testing and finding other good spots.

how many people always kite on the beach near the schools they took lessons from? first because they feel safer because they are near the school and after because they get to know the people kiting here and belong to a group


the solution is to spread a maximum of infos on every spots in WA. so kiters spread on different spots.
if you tell one of your travelling friend that kiting up north (or down south) is way better and everything they need to know, it may means you will have 3 less kiters on perth beaches the day after. and they tell their friends, and next year you will have 10 less kiters on metro beaches

perth beaches will always be more crowded you can't avoid the fact that there are about 1.7 million peoples living there. when you think of the percentage of people kiting in perth its so few. 1% of the population would be 17 000 local kiters. when you think how many people there is in perth who could become kiters, 20 or 30 kiters at scarbs is really nothing
when you think about 3 million passengers coming from overseas and 7.5million people arriving from other states arriving at perth airport annually, 20 or 30 kiters at scarbs is really nothing


the only thing that keep a good spot from being crowded is ease of access, I don't think lizard island is ever going to be crowded

hope this help

I have heard plenty of BS in my time but I must say that's a ripper mate. You seriously wrote BS! Standard problem solving techniques and a continuous improvement loop? While you're conducting your quick surveys and then your 'detailed' data collection surveys on the beaches and analysing the information.........I assure you the source (s) of our crowd problem in W.A. will still have their wheels well in motion.

People in W.A. ( and for good reason) are constantly raising the issue of crowds, how dangerous it's getting, rules being disobeyed, too many kite schools at one location, spots on the brink of being prohibited, got to drive for miles to get away from the crowds, regulations, articles in newspapers, disrespectful visitors, Euro's, people advertising their local. etc etc.

So who takes photo's or video footage of a spot they kited and publish it to everyone? Who's hiring Euro's to teach at their schools? Who's telling international magazines about locations and trying to draw in the mass crowds? Who's a pure business man? Who's doing massive write ups on lame kite group websites? Who's ****** with the sport you luv and putting ur local spot under pressure of crowds, accidents, articles in the paper? Who making you get in your car and drive a 6, 7, 8 hour round trip to find a spot without heaps of ******s at?

For me, I just want to kite with my mates without all the issues I listed in paragraph 2. It does truely suck alot of damage done in last seasons. And I must note, it's not due completely to the net either, yes you can research or google map. That's not our problem, it's those going out of their way to push it.

It cuts me deep when I recently read an Advertisment for a Kite demo at a location which has yet to be ruined by the big mouths. The ad done a great job of talking it up too. Perhaps you should quit the kite school sht and write a novel! The poor locals. Here comes the issues in paragraph 2 guys.

Poida said...

reverse777 said...

Maybe this sounds like a dumb question, but who does have right of way on the downwinder. The rider hugging the shoreline or the rider who goes out a little further before picking a swell to ride in ?

i think the rider hugging the shore line needs some leeway, just to get out, otherwise they are pinned onto the shore with nowhere to go.

i found myself with three of us on the same wave at one point, i was in the middle and flicked out cause it was getting crazy

Yeh Good point especially when you can go upwind or downwind from him...the whole DW thing isnt too bad as long as people can A.kite pretty well B.Kite to their abilty C.Not kill or upset swimmers etc. We are always going have toolboxes in the water. Its still less stress and safer than surfing Trigg Point. DM is right with gear getting more user friendly and the surf being sooo ****, surfers will migrate to this sport atleast surfers have good ocean awareness and can ride a board already and mostly appreciate being courteous in the water. C ya out there boneheads.