the launch zone is the danger zone ?

i was there 2 weeks ago and offered to help this guy he had one of those sand screw things , and i was down wind of him , i was out of there !!

i have no doubt that he is great at what he does. but should we share the prime for safety launch zone? even if he was there first ?


when i was learning i would get blown down wind away from the launch zone. and into the trees !!

KIT33R said...

In the interest of safety and the wellbeing of all, most professional kiting instructors on Botany Bay teach from boats in deep water. This provides plenty of room for students to learn in a safe environment away from the distraction of other kiters.

I agree with daniel kron - it is inconsiderate to other kiters to teach in a launch landing zone. Beach lessons should be well away from other kiters.

and where do you suggest that these people go after this lesson so that they don;t get in everone 's (your) way ? even after this type of lesson (which is a great idea BTW) there is no repacement for experience.they might not have a boat and mates to take em out into the middle of nowhere so I am sure they are all ears for your recommendations of where they can gain this experience after all a 2 hour lesson in a boat (or 2 or 3 or 4 if they can afford it) does not make a competent and confident kitesurfer .oh and does the wonderful boat lesson make them a competent kite wrangler on the beach??

paul.j said...

Ha i read this topic and had to laugh!!!!! Shearwater is where people go to learn to kite on the gold coast i have taught there for over 8 years on or off, hell i think i might have even taught Dankron there!!
I love how quick people forget about when they learnt, do you remember Dankron? i do!!

Dave is a great teacher, he is one of the only teachers on the gold coast to have a skippers lic to take people out to the sand banks he also has more teaching cred than nearly anyone else on the goldy at the moment. He is a super nice guy and is more than happy to go out of his way to help anyone out, i have people everyday come in to the shop and talk about how nice a guy he is.

Unfortunately for learners and teaching on the gold coast there is not much room and very few good place's to do it, so for the guys with more experience give them some room or go and kite some where else if you don't like it!!!

Jacko
Dankron i know dave and if he told you off then my guess is you deserved it, just suck it up and move on!!!!

Sorry everyone, i didn't meant to start a war here, i was just pointing my concern about this... in fact i was there on sunday too and Dave was there, but this time he moved the lesson further north so all good there...

I know everyone launches from the grass area but they still have to walk to the beach there, and having an instructor right on the way definitely doesn't feel safe...

As we all been there, we all know that learners always do mistakes, as i did a few, as Paul J can also remember, so what happen if someone is walking down the beach and the student decides to swing the kite around and ends up catching someone else? That was the only reason i approached Dave, 5HiT can happen and it normally happen when we are not expecting, and as Ang said, there were about 10 learners in the water and about 5 experienced kiters there, another reason why Dave should've keep the distance from everyone else.... but Jacko i do remember never having lessons at shearwater we always went on the sandbanks behind wave break island... where there was no one around it... As there was always a big debate of where was safe or not to teach a shear...

But hey all sorted now, Dave wasn't teaching on the launch area on sunday... all i was doing is worrying about everyone's safety even Dave's and his student... I hate creating enemies, and that was the last thing in my head when i posted this note... Kiteboarding is all about fun and friends... so lets end this topic...

cheers,
dan

daniel kron said...

paul.j said...

Ha i read this topic and had to laugh!!!!! Shearwater is where people go to learn to kite on the gold coast i have taught there for over 8 years on or off, hell i think i might have even taught Dankron there!!
I love how quick people forget about when they learnt, do you remember Dankron? i do!!

Dave is a great teacher, he is one of the only teachers on the gold coast to have a skippers lic to take people out to the sand banks he also has more teaching cred than nearly anyone else on the goldy at the moment. He is a super nice guy and is more than happy to go out of his way to help anyone out, i have people everyday come in to the shop and talk about how nice a guy he is.

Unfortunately for learners and teaching on the gold coast there is not much room and very few good place's to do it, so for the guys with more experience give them some room or go and kite some where else if you don't like it!!!

Jacko
Dankron i know dave and if he told you off then my guess is you deserved it, just suck it up and move on!!!!

Sorry everyone, i didn't meant to start a war here, i was just pointing my concern about this... in fact i was there on sunday too and Dave was there, but this time he moved the lesson further north so all good there...

I know everyone launches from the grass area but they still have to walk to the beach there, and having an instructor right on the way definitely doesn't feel safe...

As we all been there, we all know that learners always do mistakes, as i did a few, as Paul J can also remember, so what happen if someone is walking down the beach and the student decides to swing the kite around and ends up catching someone else? That was the only reason i approached Dave, 5HiT can happen and it normally happen when we are not expecting, and as Ang said, there were about 10 learners in the water and about 5 experienced kiters there, another reason why Dave should've keep the distance from everyone else.... but Jacko i do remember never having lessons at shearwater we always went on the sandbanks behind wave break island... where there was no one around it... As there was always a big debate of where was safe or not to teach a shear...

But hey all sorted now, Dave wasn't teaching on the launch area on sunday... all i was doing is worrying about everyone's safety even Dave's and his student... I hate creating enemies, and that was the last thing in my head when i posted this note... Kiteboarding is all about fun and friends... so lets end this topic...

cheers,
dan

Mate all this is already forgotten!!! no sweet.

It is fun now to sit back and watch all these first posters go for it

Jacko

Too many cooks in the kitchen......

Mr float said...

KIT33R said...

In the interest of safety and the wellbeing of all, most professional kiting instructors on Botany Bay teach from boats in deep water. This provides plenty of room for students to learn in a safe environment away from the distraction of other kiters.

I agree with daniel kron - it is inconsiderate to other kiters to teach in a launch landing zone. Beach lessons should be well away from other kiters.

and where do you suggest that these people go after this lesson so that they don;t get in everone 's (your) way ? even after this type of lesson (which is a great idea BTW) there is no repacement for experience.they might not have a boat and mates to take em out into the middle of nowhere so I am sure they are all ears for your recommendations of where they can gain this experience after all a 2 hour lesson in a boat (or 2 or 3 or 4 if they can afford it) does not make a competent and confident kitesurfer .oh and does the wonderful boat lesson make them a competent kite wrangler on the beach??

and where do you suggest that these people go after this lesson so that they don;t get in everone 's (your) way ? - Away from crowds, this includes kiters and members of the beach going public who have a right to enjoy the beach without the threat of a kite landing on them

oh and does the wonderful boat lesson make them a competent kite wrangler on the beach?? - I would have thought it obvious that launching and landing skills are taught on the beach, away from crowds.

It's not experienced kiters who crash their kites into sun bathers and small children on crowded beaches, it's generally the less experienced.

KIT33R said...

Mr float said...

KIT33R said...

In the interest of safety and the wellbeing of all, most professional kiting instructors on Botany Bay teach from boats in deep water. This provides plenty of room for students to learn in a safe environment away from the distraction of other kiters.

I agree with daniel kron - it is inconsiderate to other kiters to teach in a launch landing zone. Beach lessons should be well away from other kiters.

and where do you suggest that these people go after this lesson so that they don;t get in everone 's (your) way ? even after this type of lesson (which is a great idea BTW) there is no repacement for experience.they might not have a boat and mates to take em out into the middle of nowhere so I am sure they are all ears for your recommendations of where they can gain this experience after all a 2 hour lesson in a boat (or 2 or 3 or 4 if they can afford it) does not make a competent and confident kitesurfer .oh and does the wonderful boat lesson make them a competent kite wrangler on the beach??

and where do you suggest that these people go after this lesson so that they don;t get in everone 's (your) way ? - Away from crowds, this includes kiters and members of the beach going public who have a right to enjoy the beach without the threat of a kite landing on them

oh and does the wonderful boat lesson make them a competent kite wrangler on the beach?? - I would have thought it obvious that launching and landing skills are taught on the beach, away from crowds.

It's not experienced kiters who crash their kites into sun bathers and small children on crowded beaches, it's generally the less experienced.

Ok
So that means ban noobies from Nobby's beach Newcastle which is Newcastle's most popular kite spot )there are crowds of people and crowds of kiters
There's a start .Now what about St kilda .lots of crowds trhere .Botany bay? .no more noobs ...too crowded I am sure there are more .Perth sounds pretty crowded .no more noobs there either !!Once upon a time all kiters were noobs at these spots .the last reamining polies should have just banned kiting in the early days and then there wouldn't be this problem

I thought maybe I should say something.

Firstly sorry if I was rude to you daniel. As i said on the beach I am planning on moving away as soon as my student learns how to launch the kite. With the high tide the kids on the beach, the boat on the beach that was the only safe spot to launch. I even helped 4 other kiters launch their kites. after listening to you I moved up the beach and taught another happy and safe student.
Next time you see me why don't we have a drink after my lesson because telling me what to do in front of my student is a little unproffesional.
sorry for getting in your way.
I only teach kiting because I'm scared that one day some numb nuts kiter will get the sport banned on the gold coast and we will have no where to kite.

Mr float said...

KIT33R said...

Mr float said...

KIT33R said...

In the interest of safety and the wellbeing of all, most professional kiting instructors on Botany Bay teach from boats in deep water. This provides plenty of room for students to learn in a safe environment away from the distraction of other kiters.

I agree with daniel kron - it is inconsiderate to other kiters to teach in a launch landing zone. Beach lessons should be well away from other kiters.

and where do you suggest that these people go after this lesson so that they don;t get in everone 's (your) way ? even after this type of lesson (which is a great idea BTW) there is no repacement for experience.they might not have a boat and mates to take em out into the middle of nowhere so I am sure they are all ears for your recommendations of where they can gain this experience after all a 2 hour lesson in a boat (or 2 or 3 or 4 if they can afford it) does not make a competent and confident kitesurfer .oh and does the wonderful boat lesson make them a competent kite wrangler on the beach??

and where do you suggest that these people go after this lesson so that they don;t get in everone 's (your) way ? - Away from crowds, this includes kiters and members of the beach going public who have a right to enjoy the beach without the threat of a kite landing on them

oh and does the wonderful boat lesson make them a competent kite wrangler on the beach?? - I would have thought it obvious that launching and landing skills are taught on the beach, away from crowds.

It's not experienced kiters who crash their kites into sun bathers and small children on crowded beaches, it's generally the less experienced.

Ok
So that means ban noobies from Nobby's beach Newcastle which is Newcastle's most popular kite spot )there are crowds of people and crowds of kiters
There's a start .Now what about St kilda .lots of crowds trhere .Botany bay? .no more noobs ...too crowded I am sure there are more .Perth sounds pretty crowded .no more noobs there either !!Once upon a time all kiters were noobs at these spots .the last reamining polies should have just banned kiting in the early days and then there wouldn't be this problem

Take a couple of deep breaths. Unfortunately, our AKSA public liability insurance is going through the roof because of an unusual number of claims in recent times by members of the public against injuries sustained due to negligent kiters. Give AKSA a call if you want the stats, it's real.