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Foxy Kane
Foxy Kane
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5 Jun 2009 4:34pm
Seems that there are a few kiters out there that find the Kurnell crew's use of the letters " KKK " ( which stands for Kings of Kurnell Kountry ) offensive.
We are interested to know if this feeling is more widespread than the one or two comments that have appeared. Feel free to comment....good or bad......we don't take offence as we remain the rednecks of the kiting fraternity and our general ambition is to take the " pizzzzzzzzz " wherever the oportunity presents......remember punters .....its all just in fun.....giving it to your mates is part of traditional Aussie culture and we are very keen to maintain Aussie culture...its what makes our country the magnificant place it is

good kiting to all
Foxy
waxman
waxman
SA
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5 Jun 2009 6:10pm
Leave the bed sheats and the pillow cases at home and every thing should be fine.

If your not sure its offensive go and try ordering some KKK number plates for your car.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
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5 Jun 2009 7:48pm
I got my KKK tattoo on the back of my neck
hookworm
hookworm
VIC
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5 Jun 2009 8:27pm
is jeff part of the kkk if so i'm sure he'll be the first to get the tatt and take on the bra boy's with a better hand shake
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
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5 Jun 2009 9:51pm
I know its all in the aussie piss take attitude but a mate of mine took it as VERY offensive when he saw it on this site.
He dosent check seabreeze anymore because he feels that they support this type of behaviour.
Maybe hes over sensitive?dont know?each to there own I guess?

Usually if you have to ask if its bothering anyone,you are asking cause you know it probably is.


When I was about 12 years old ,both my parents were out and a mate 3 doors up asked me to come over for his fancy dress birthday party.I rang mum and asked if I could go,and asked if I could use the old bed sheets so I could dress as a ghost.
I cut eye holes in the pillow case and wrapped a sheet around me.
Turned up to the kids party(he was coloured mind you)and got alot of shocked looks from all the other kids parents.His dad ripped the pillow case off my head and took the sheet off me,leaving me standing in front of all the kids in my jocks.
He made me run home in my undies.lol
I had no idea what his problem was.
When my dad came home,the kids dad came over and abused my old man,nearly turned into fistacuffs.I didnt know about the KKK.Alot of the neighbours snubbed us for ages.
Ahhaaaa to be young and inocent again.

Even though you are not trying to offend(like me when I was 12)it will be offensive to alot of people.

I think its pretty sick to name your crew after people who use to hang men,women and children and burn them alive because of their skin colour.
djdojo
djdojo
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5 Jun 2009 10:26pm
making appeals to some cliched notion of "aussie culture" to justify the use of the acronym of an american genocidal organisation is just ridiculous.

i've lived and travelled in the usa on and off for several years and seen a fair bit of that country and have gotten to know a wide range of americans. whilst things may be better there than they were, lynchings are still in living memory for plenty of folk.

do you really want to know if it's offensive? i dare you, i double-dare you to walk around in the states, anywhere, north or south, with a 3k tattoo showing and see how far the "just taking the piss, mate, it's aussie culture" line gets you. for that matter, just go for a walk along your local beaches, say from dolls point to brighton le sands one day when picnicing families are out in force and see how your notion of aussie culture is received.

what may be somewhat ok as a joke between friends is a completely different matter in the context of a forum visited by people you don't know and from cultures and countries other than your own. like joe jackson put it, "don't want to sound stupid, don't want to offend, so don't call me a ***got unless you are a friend." context makes a difference.

i don't know you guys but from what's said on the forums you're a bunch of friendly and skilled kiters with a bit of local pride in the mix. surely there's a name that could reflect this without making other people suspect you're a bunch of white supremacists?
tobes
tobes
NSW
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5 Jun 2009 10:45pm
A bit like the "Make A Realistic Wish Foundation" sketch, I'm sure it sounded funny at the time....

Maybe you could call yourselves Kite Supremacists,
or Far K'nell,
or Cool Old Cat Kiters Having Enormous Airtime Down South.
j murray
j murray
SA
947 posts
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5 Jun 2009 10:51pm
. i don't find it offensive to me. to understate your personal usage, its i recon fair enough.
you/someone made a point about registration plates, "seee if you could get that as a rego" well as i remember things, doing some flying in an australian registed [beechcraft] i think with that australian rego VH-KKK, Victor Hotel Kilo Kilo Kilo
the australian aircraft register, open to all thru the internet has some risheeeeeeeeey regos. VH SEX that i have seen [i think] VH RAM another. I think many private story's are hidden there.
kiter789
kiter789
NSW
238 posts
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6 Jun 2009 9:19am
I've always known it as Ailimentary Kurnell.

Nothing says "Australian Pride" like a suburb full of flash houses with nappies blowing across the front lawns and skinny pervs wanking at the beachgoers.

I hear "The Chaser" is hiring.....
Jeff2231
Jeff2231
NSW
416 posts
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6 Jun 2009 11:08am
hookworm said...

is jeff part of the kkk if so i'm sure he'll be the first to get the tatt and take on the bra boy's with a better hand shake


I've actually got it around my neck hook, tried to pretty it up a bit so it looked a bit nicer so kind of looks like a doylie draped over my head with KKK embroidered into it.

I've also gone way past the "cool" handshakes and now just compare cock sizes. I've been the only one flopping it out so far but I'm sure the others will catch on once they see how much cooler it makes the "gang". Bra Boys have nothing on me.
kk
kk
WA
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kk kk
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6 Jun 2009 9:42am
I don 't find it offensive at all. First of all the Ku Klux Klan has nothing to do with Australia, and if it weren't for movies the average Aussie would know nothing of them. And secondly the boys using the accronim (spelling?) to my knowledge have never displayed anything that is remotely like racsist behaviour. (on this site at least)

What I do find very interesting though is how racsism can be intruduced into a conversation (or thread) when it clearly is not anywhere near being on topic? Just someone with a barrow to push.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
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6 Jun 2009 10:57am
Foxy Kane said...

Seems that there are a few kiters out there that find the Kurnell crew's use of the letters " KKK " ( which stands for Kings of Kurnell Kountry ) offensive.



Why don't you just admit it, Foxy ?
You called your stupid club KKK cause it sounded bad-arse.
The name is instantly recognisable with those other bad-arse haters.
If this isn't the case.....
You would have named your stupid club KKC, right ?

Juddy
Juddy
WA
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6 Jun 2009 11:05am
Whilst Kurnell Kiters might be taking the piss, the world wide associations with the letters 'KKK' are nothing to do with kiting. We all know what KKK means to many people.

Another way of looking at this might be if a community group decided to use a swastika as their symbol but decided to justify it as humour or as part of that great Australian notion of piss taking. That group might know they are taking the piss, but others may not.

Offensive - to some, obviously. To me, personally? Probably not the smartest use of those particular letters & if I was a Kurnell kiter, I'd be advocating something else.

My question to the Kurnell group - why would you want to let people develop an idea or perception (accurate or not, it's inevitably going to be a negative impression) that your name/tag has a connection to such an appalling group?

I'm on the West coast so ultimately, it's not a major issue for me, but hey, it's saturday morning, there's no wind & i've got a pocket full of five cent pieces.

Juddy
Tobii
Tobii
WA
42 posts
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6 Jun 2009 11:43am
news.ronatvan.com/2009/05/26/ku-klux-klan-in-perth-australia/


If you don't think this would be offensive to some people maybe you need to leave Australia and learn more than "traditional aussia culture" and grow up.
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
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6 Jun 2009 2:26pm
Foxy Kane said...


We are interested to know if this feeling is more widespread than the one or two comments that have appeared. Feel free to comment....good or bad......
good kiting to all
Foxy


hey foxy kane and other kurnell kiters, i appreciate you asking for feedback, i really do.

i guess the next question is how you'll choose to respond to the opinions of other kiters. there is a wide range of opinions, although the thumbs seem to point in a clear direction.

i wonder if it would help to think of it like this:

what's the best that could happen if you change your name to something less controversial? what's the worst that could happen?

what's the best that could happen if you stick to the current name? what's the worst that could happen?

just a way of getting perspective on the options. now the ball is in your court.
Hunter S
Hunter S
WA
516 posts
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6 Jun 2009 11:54pm
Foxy Kane said...

We are interested to know if this feeling is more widespread than the one or two comments that have appeared. Feel free to comment....good or bad


Mate I reckon you already know the answer to this question.

KKK is a symbol – If you don’t get it think swastika. If that’s not meaningful to you I bet you know or have known people who see the swastika as a deeply offensive and vile symbol. It never happened on our shores but affected us nonetheless. The background and meaning of the swastika is widely known in white Australian culture. Yep it’s un Australian.

WWII ended in 1945. The lynchings your namesakes favoured happened as recently as 1964. Imagine walking a street knowing you could be strung by your neck and left to die on the nearest light pole for no other good reason than the way you looked. You bet the symbol still carries deep meaning.

I’d give it up mate – that meanings got nothing to do with an Aussie piss take and I’m guessing nothing like what you’re about.


KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
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7 Jun 2009 12:10pm
Talk about a hypersensitive pack of whingers. Over here it's called "taking the piss.." or if that's to subtle, try humour - something that appears to be lacking here. Lighten up people - in this great country we can have a joke and not take each other too seriously. Many Kurnell riders come from as many countries as you can count.

No one here is offended by the KKK tag - it's just a bit of local humour since Kurnell is a bit out of the way, working class area (oil refinary, cabon black plant, desalination plant, sand mining) and perceived by some to be red neck, so they play on the red neck tag, hence the KKK.

In reality they're a very racially tollerant crew and proud of their little bit of heaven on Botany Bay.

waveslave
waveslave
WA
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7 Jun 2009 10:18am
KIT33R said...
Many Kurnell riders come from as many countries as you can count.

No one here is offended by the KKK tag




Do you have any African-Americans in your club ? ^^^
marty72
marty72
QLD
298 posts
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7 Jun 2009 12:38pm
Hunter S said...

KKK is a symbol – If you don’t get it think swastika. If that’s not meaningful to you I bet you know or have known people who see the swastika as a deeply offensive and vile symbol. It never happened on our shores but affected us nonetheless. The background and meaning of the swastika is widely known in white Australian culture. Yep it’s un Australian.



Actually the swastika had many meanings in many different cultures long before the Nazis used it. Just because one group uses it as "their" symbol doesn't automatically make it bad or "un-Australian". See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Bit like gays using the rainbow or many other groups using a certain symbol.
hoop
hoop
1979 posts
1979 posts
7 Jun 2009 10:47am
Can't believe this thread hasn't been canned yet. I'm not offended by it personally because you're obviously not smart enough to understand the potential impact of what you are playing around with. There are people that will take offence to the point of violence or some other kind of retribution. So go on, call your club "KKK" and see how it ends up.
I think you're opening yourself up to a whole world of grief.
djdojo
djdojo
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7 Jun 2009 12:58pm
KIT33R said...

Talk about a hypersensitive pack of whingers. Over here it's called "taking the piss.." or if that's to subtle, try humour - something that appears to be lacking here. Lighten up people - in this great country we can have a joke and not take each other too seriously. Many Kurnell riders come from as many countries as you can count.

No one here is offended by the KKK tag - it's just a bit of local humour since Kurnell is a bit out of the way, working class area (oil refinary, cabon black plant, desalination plant, sand mining) and perceived by some to be red neck, so they play on the red neck tag, hence the KKK.

In reality they're a very racially tollerant crew and proud of their little bit of heaven on Botany Bay.




WE KNOW THE LOCAL "REDNECK TAKING THE PISS" ANGLE, SO PLEASE DON'T GO ON ABOUT IT. IT IS NOT THE REST OF THE WORLD BUT YOU, SIR, WHO NEEDS SOME SUBTLETY IN YOUR THINKING TO APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE PERCEPTIONS FROM WITHIN YOUR CLUB, IT'S ABOUT PERCEPTIONS OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE YOUR CLUB.

RIGHT NOW THOSE PERCEPTIONS ARE THAT YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR AN ILL-CONCEIVED ATTEMPT AT HUMOUR. YOU CAN DIG YOUR HEELS IN AND REPEAT LAME ARGUMENTS OR YOU CAN, AS A GROUP, EAT SOME HUMBLE PIE AND ADMIT IT'S GONE TOO FAR, AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
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7 Jun 2009 1:26pm
Thanks for your angry rant, Djdodo, this is the sort of thing we don't want.
djdojo
djdojo
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7 Jun 2009 2:12pm
a little story and then i'm done.

once upon a time, in a university tutorial group, far far away, my class was discussing an incident that was in the media in which, though i forget the details, a woman had been punched by a bloke for an apparently trivial reason. one of my classmates said something facetious along the lines of "she probably deserved it." now this was said in jest, by a man who i knew pretty well, and who i know to be a peaceful and loving father and husband whom i believe would never knowingly condone or perpetrate violence. however, there was something i knew that he didn't know: two of the women sitting in that tutorial group had themselves been in horrifically abusive relationships. i told him to shut up there and then, and later explained without giving any details, that he had no idea of the experiences of everyone in that group and that he was way out of line. he took this pretty well.

at the time i also worked in childcare settings in which we dealt daily with the fallout of violence. some of my colleagues and i had to have the odd joke just to survive and stay sane, but we knew each other well enough to have clear boundaries and our jokes were in closed settings, among people who shared a high level of knowledge and trust with each other.

you simply don't know what you don't know. so, on a globally-visible internet forum, please have a bit of respect and consideration for people whose experiences in life may be different from yours and keep your "jokes" to yourselves.

over and out, dojo.

surfingboye
surfingboye
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7 Jun 2009 2:19pm
djdojo said...
WE KNOW THE LOCAL "REDNECK TAKING THE PISS" ANGLE, SO PLEASE DON'T GO ON ABOUT IT. IT IS NOT THE REST OF THE WORLD BUT YOU, SIR, WHO NEEDS SOME SUBTLETY IN YOUR THINKING TO APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE PERCEPTIONS FROM WITHIN YOUR CLUB, IT'S ABOUT PERCEPTIONS OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE YOUR CLUB.

RIGHT NOW THOSE PERCEPTIONS ARE THAT YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR AN ILL-CONCEIVED ATTEMPT AT HUMOUR. YOU CAN DIG YOUR HEELS IN AND REPEAT LAME ARGUMENTS OR YOU CAN, AS A GROUP, EAT SOME HUMBLE PIE AND ADMIT IT'S GONE TOO FAR, AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.



loud noises. plz stop the SHOUTING

poor relative
poor relative
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7 Jun 2009 12:39pm
Foxy,
If you can't work it out without coming here i feel sad for you.
As for this topic



j murray
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7 Jun 2009 2:41pm
To many millions in the world the Swastika means ...food.... it is the used symbol for food for many of years before the Nastys used it. It has been part of world culture for eons, misappropriated by the Aggressors of the day. I think even the british or some now british clans used and worshiped it. Many more people of the world, in numbers use it than dont. So I dont see a problem.
In Australia we had a problem when a new car came to the market. The brand wanted to use two letters together to define thier product. The letters were "SS", so the barrow pushers came out ummming and ahhhhing ,its political said some its a disaster , said others, its a crime yelled some its a product said the General, That car was a Holden and we all drive Holden SS Commodore's
An Australian firm uses the Eagle symbol for their clothing range, the same way that it was portrayed by the nastys. It does not imply that they are nasty sympathizers or collaborators, or up to no good, Its a brand logo, read no more into it.
In Australia we use the word Durex to describe sticky tape, in New Zealand it has a more sinister meaning, prophylactics [frangers]
A word i hate and lough is the word Talliban. to me that means something akin to the nastys. To other people it means hero's. Mudjahudne to me is the same. There are hundreds more words that between different people mean different things, so use them as you intended.
In some country's one can get killed for the use of a word that to us is mere conversation. Australia hasn't been sanitized it is a free country to use the language as we feel free to do. We are a country of many diverse people, there will allways be words,symbols and signs that offend some of the populace , depending mainly on their religious slant.
To me we aussies are just that,aussies, no matter from where we came. We are here to do better than where we were. Your interpretation of a word can be related to your upbringing and education and experience.. Judge not the word, but the deed.
lotofwind
lotofwind
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7 Jun 2009 3:38pm
j murray said...

To many millions in the world the Swastika means ...food.... it is the used symbol for food for many of years before the Nastys used it. It has been part of world culture for eons, misappropriated by the Aggressors of the day. I think even the british or some now british clans used and worshiped it. Many more people of the world, in numbers use it than dont. So I dont see a problem.
In Australia we had a problem when a new car came to the market. The brand wanted to use two letters together to define thier product. The letters were "SS", so the barrow pushers came out ummming and ahhhhing ,its political said some its a disaster , said others, its a crime yelled some its a product said the General, That car was a Holden and we all drive Holden SS Commodore's
An Australian firm uses the Eagle symbol for their clothing range, the same way that it was portrayed by the nastys. It does not imply that they are nasty sympathizers or collaborators, or up to no good, Its a brand logo, read no more into it.
In Australia we use the word Durex to describe sticky tape, in New Zealand it has a more sinister meaning, prophylactics [frangers]
A word i hate and lough is the word Talliban. to me that means something akin to the nastys. To other people it means hero's. Mudjahudne to me is the same. There are hundreds more words that between different people mean different things, so use them as you intended.
In some country's one can get killed for the use of a word that to us is mere conversation. Australia hasn't been sanitized it is a free country to use the language as we feel free to do. We are a country of many diverse people, there will allways be words,symbols and signs that offend some of the populace , depending mainly on their religious slant.
To me we aussies are just that,aussies, no matter from where we came. We are here to do better than where we were. Your interpretation of a word can be related to your upbringing and education and experience.. Judge not the word, but the deed.



Thats the biggest load of crap I have ever read.Yes we are aussies but it dosent give you the right to offend other people then say "hey its alright,Im an aussie"

Its the aussie way to bag ya mates "Kurnell rednecks ha ha ha"no worries.But when it gets racial and offensive to others around you,thats just NOT AUSTRALIAN.


Farkurnell,wake up
dave......
dave......
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7 Jun 2009 3:55pm
The swastika is actually an ancient hindu symbol that has been turned aound. It may have something to do with india being home to an ancient aryian race.
lotofwind
lotofwind
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7 Jun 2009 6:26pm
Tobii said...

news.ronatvan.com/2009/05/26/ku-klux-klan-in-perth-australia/


If you don't think this would be offensive to some people maybe you need to leave Australia and learn more than "traditional aussia culture" and grow up.


Interesting read.The bit about the police knew that the aussie KKK fueled the fires for the Cronulla riots just shows how you guys shouldnt be mucking around with the name.
Kurnell riots?????????
Dj Atak
Dj Atak
WA
75 posts
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7 Jun 2009 4:56pm
im not offended by KKK, but maybe you guys/girls should consider changing it to KOK(kings of kurnell). it will be a laugh and no-one will be unhappy and confused.
Katoe
Katoe
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7 Jun 2009 6:57pm
Surely by now you guys can see and understand the views of nearly every reply to your post and if you can't then why ask how people feel in the first place.The name doesnt even correspond that well to your meaning of it (Kings of Kurnell Kountry).You have just bent it to fit a name you thought would cause a bit of a reaction...How you could have thought it would be a positive one I don't know..

Do the right thing,eh?
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