Kite Safety More Apparent than ever

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rastazungu
rastazungu
QLD
42 posts
QLD, 42 posts
23 Jan 2008 1:56pm
Caelah said...

Sillsymark....how irresponsible of you to not wear a leash, please do not come to our local areas without one. It's not just you on the water and other kiters who you are endangering. If you had to let everything go, there is no guarnatee that kite will sit down like an obedient dog. I have seen someone's kite break loose and head towards the road / cars and the public. I doubt if an insurance company would even look at your case if you actually hurt someone....maybe you should consider looking into some public liability insurances.

SamS - wearing the safety/kite leash in the CORRECT position it was designed to go may have helped your situation. I am continually bemused by people riding with the safety there and thinking it's OK...it's not. Safety on kites are in a certain place for a reason, if you chose to go out and put yourself at risk and not use the gear correctly then you only have yourself to blame....lets just hope you don't hurt someone when you're on the water if this happens again. Out of interest, were you told when sold the kite where to put your leash?

Rastazungu - when you were doing your 5+ rotations one way, when exactly did you realise that you couldn't keep doing it? Common sense would prevail surely that you either go to shore and rotate the opposite way to untangle the leash or even better you start doing the tricks the other way!! When I started using the Crossbow and Switchblade 1's I realised this pretty quickly, do tricks in both directions and become a more rounded and skilled rider.

This is so frustrating and disappointing to hear of people using their gear incorrectly or making excuses for not being safe. Funnily enough it is again the male riders who are making all the comments ( and yes I know plenty of girls who read this forum that ride!). I had a conversation with two female riders today on this subject and they have a very different approach and attitude to safety compared to the guys I talk to on a daily basis. It's sad and true.


Whoa there girl! I was just pointing out what happens when you forget to spin the other way. It happens when you are out there, just like all the other thousands of random things that could go wrong. At least it isn't like it was 11 years ago when it was just myself and another on 6.5m wipikas at Narrowneck trying to work out this sport. Remember??? Been there and done that! Sounds like you are a walking encyclopedia for kite safety. Let's compare notes. We could always use another instructor here.
granini
granini
NSW
99 posts
NSW, 99 posts
23 Jan 2008 4:16pm
Caelah said...
SamS - wearing the safety/kite leash in the CORRECT position it was designed to go may have helped your situation. I am continually bemused by people riding with the safety there and thinking it's OK...it's not. Safety on kites are in a certain place for a reason, if you chose to go out and put yourself at risk and not use the gear correctly then you only have yourself to blame....lets just hope you don't hurt someone when you're on the water if this happens again. Out of interest, were you told when sold the kite where to put your leash?


@Caelah: Before writing something like this you should be either informed or RTFM!:

Have a look at P19! Sams is totally correct!

http://pr.cabrinhakites.com/manuals/pdf/Powerdrive121_UM_Web/2007UM_Powerdrive121_EnglishWeb.pdf

Cheers

Granini
sailquik
sailquik
VIC
6173 posts
VIC, 6173 posts
23 Jan 2008 4:27pm
sillsymark said...



Speaking of dangerous...Has anyone else ever had a bridle line snap on a Bow kite! (That was one time I dumped the lot.) Full power - Kiteloop downwind until you or the kite hits something. Scary. I saw it happened to a mate in about 30knts (he was overpowered on a 12m) His bridle line snapped - His kite started looping flat out. I saw him do about 200 metres across the water in 3 seconds before he took off over the beach and his kite smashed into a tree (Lucky for him). He had that much speed up that he ended up sitting under the tree by the time he stopped skidding.


This happened here just last week. I very experienced and responsible kiter (who is also a long time windsurfer) has a pulley on his bridle snap. His kite spiraled viciously dragging him across the channel and up into the sand dunes as he struggled to release his kite - he said he only managed to get one thing undone - where luckily for him his kite smashed into the ground so hard it exploded the bladder. He said he thought his Kiting days were over for a few seconds, (along with all the rest of his days).

It shows that no matter how safe you sail you can still have failures with severe consequences. This is why we insist that all kiters sail downwind of the windsurfers at Sandy Point.

There were two dickheads here last week who insisted in hogging the bank all day, forcing everyone else to sail well downwind of them. They were jumping and doing 'tricks' directly upwind of windsurfers and seemed to have no idea of the potential consequences of their actions. If a windsurfer sailed towards them they pinched up higher instead of passing downwind. When I came up faster behind to overtake one, instead of bearing away slightly he pinched upwind to put me in a very dangerous position. When I called for him to allow me to pass upwind he abused me and told me I shouldn't come up behind him so fast!!!!!!???????

I tried to explain to these guys that they should allow us to pass upwind for safety and that they were pissing everyone off by their actions and by hogging the area and intimidating all the windsurfers and they gave us rude, childish and arrogant abuse in return. They were told they were 'not welcome' here anymore..............

There were a number of other Kiters here that day trying to do the right thing. Good for them!
Caelah
Caelah
WA
319 posts
WA, 319 posts
23 Jan 2008 10:25pm
Hi Everyone Again!

Grainini - Hi there, I used to write a Cabrinah Crossbow 1 and I don't read every kite manual out there so yes if it says it in the book then sam is correct. However is Pete Cabrinah going to take responsiblity if someone does have to pull the chicken loop safety and the kite is let lose on everyone in the surrounding area....he won't pay your public liability insurance! It's common sense and it's not rocket science.

Rastazungu - hey there, sorry if I came across to harsh...I'm far from an encylopedia on safety and I'm in no way a good enough communicator to be an instructor. I just know what I've seen and witnessed and what I continue to see with more and more kiters on the beach. I remember the days 5 years ago, not half as many people doing the sport....for example I knew 3 girls, I now know of 600+ worldwide so if you triple that for guys minimum then it's becoming a very popular sport in a short space of time. We just need to be safe and I wanted everyone to be more aware of it....I don't want to end up in hospital or under the ground because of some idiot not taking care!

SamS - I'd like to talk to you face to face but haven't seen you at the beach in some time so hence why I'm writing here. When you were told where to put your leash on your lessons did your instructor actually pull your chicken loop safety to demonstrate what would happen if you got into a situation that required this? EVERY IKO Instructor should do this before letting a new kiter loose on the beach. If this had of been done then you would've seen the kite would not fully depower...and if not wearing a leash as you say you did...you wouldn't have a kite and it could've gone into another kite, onto a member of the public....I don't think I need to continue.

I came across a new female rider today who was taught the same as you and didn't know what the stopper ball was for so was riding in winds with no extra give until I made her stop and set it up right for her. When I tried approaching the instructor (yes I didn't do it the best way and I apologied for that) about the issue he just said you can't cover everything and every scenario in a few lessons! How on earth does kiting have a safe future with instructors like that teaching.

Poor Relo - I can't comment on 100% depower as I haven't flown every kite on the market but it's a very nice thought to think there is one out there that in every situation would have it!

Pheebobafet - hey, sorry I have to disagree with you slightly on one point. Good riders are fun to be out with but they can also mess up and I've been in a situation with one where I've been attached to two kites, lines all around me in strong southerly winds because the rider didn't realise where they'd end up after doing a trick. It all turned out good in the end but it was a horrible situation to be in and he was a skilled rider I knew. Never underestimate any rider no matter what their experience.

Guys and Girls....I just want to keep this sport safe, I don't mean to preach but every season safety is becoming more and more of an issue.
axis
axis
VIC
399 posts
VIC, 399 posts
24 Jan 2008 1:33am
sailquik said...


There were two dickheads here last week who insisted in hogging the bank all day, forcing everyone else to sail well downwind of them. They were jumping and doing 'tricks' directly upwind of windsurfers and seemed to have no idea of the potential consequences of their actions. If a windsurfer sailed towards them they pinched up higher instead of passing downwind. When I came up faster behind to overtake one, instead of bearing away slightly he pinched upwind to put me in a very dangerous position. When I called for him to allow me to pass upwind he abused me and told me I shouldn't come up behind him so fast!!!!!!???????

I tried to explain to these guys that they should allow us to pass upwind for safety and that they were pissing everyone off by their actions and by hogging the area and intimidating all the windsurfers and they gave us rude, childish and arrogant abuse in return. They were told they were 'not welcome' here anymore..............

There were a number of other Kiters here that day trying to do the right thing. Good for them!


Hi Sailquik,

This is sad to hear. I get to Sandy Pt now and then kiting and used to windsurf there. There has always been a good flow between the kiters and windsurfers that I've seen. Were these guys decent kiters? Doing tricks directly upwind of windsurfers is not on....

Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
25 Jan 2008 3:14am
Here's a recent thread on the windsurf forum addressing this very topic. Less about the safety of the kiters themselves, and more about the safety of other water users...

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=34437#lastpost


BTW All the kiters I've met in Oz have been cool, kooks or not. Now I'm in Vietnam and there's so many tourist kiters (why can't they just go scuba diving like they used to?) and it's a bit hairy sometimes when there's so many learners around. I once counted at least 70 kites in the sky! But the kite schools here, for the most part, seem to teach pretty good safety stuff coz I still haven't seen any bad crashes.

There's a sign at one kite centre telling kiters to GIVE WAY TO ALL OTHER WATER USERS. That should do the trick, eh?

(In spite of the rhetoric, I admit that kiters are people too and will give the benefit of the doubt until shown otherwise...)
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