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blow in
blow in
NSW
103 posts
NSW, 103 posts
14 Jan 2009 10:52pm
There has been plenty of talk over whether or not we need to self regulate our sport by way of registration and or licencing.

Lets see what the greater kiting community think...

If you support the move towards registration/licencing reply YES !

If you dont reply NO !

We need to know where we all stand with this,so lets hear from not only the regulars but also those ,like myself who rarely choose to buy in.

Pete.



TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
14 Jan 2009 8:57pm
sorry but I think I'll vote yes and no.No I don't wan't to be regulated but yes I wan't to keep kiteboarding.
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
NSW, 5786 posts
14 Jan 2009 10:57pm
maybe
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
14 Jan 2009 9:01pm
Yes> but on local Council basis if so required as in many Metro locations.
Smedg
Smedg
NSW
836 posts
NSW, 836 posts
14 Jan 2009 11:26pm
Yes.
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
14 Jan 2009 11:36pm
Yes

Wouldn't it be better to get Laurie to do it as a poll?
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
VIC, 1395 posts
14 Jan 2009 11:41pm
yo
slimjim
slimjim
NSW
54 posts
NSW, 54 posts
14 Jan 2009 11:43pm
Yes
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
14 Jan 2009 11:06pm
Revised vote...

NO to license. (too hard to police and enforce)

NO to government control.

YES to regular communication with authorities.

YES to education by clubs, manufacturers, shops and associations.

Keep our beaches safer by giving good advice to newbies and straight talk to monkeys. They don't know unless we tell them.
Andrash
Andrash
WA
637 posts
WA, 637 posts
14 Jan 2009 11:42pm
blow in said...

There has been plenty of talk over whether or not we need to self regulate our sport by way of registration and or licencing.

Lets see what the greater kiting community think...

If you support the move towards registration/licencing reply YES !

If you dont reply NO !

We need to know where we all stand with this,so lets hear from not only the regulars but also those ,like myself who rarely choose to buy in.

Pete.



....it is not about regulation or not....with the present growth of the number of kite boarders it is no question.....the question is WHO will regulate kite boarding.....I wish they will be kite boarders...
Trem
Trem
WA
49 posts
WA, 49 posts
15 Jan 2009 12:18am
If only it were as simple as yes or no! but yes - if yes means 'self regulate' ie. keep away from swimmers yada yada, dont kite between the flags yada yada, dont be a kook, be considerate, launch people, land people, lend your pump - most of it commom sense.

As for licencing everyone - good luck! A license doesnt make you safe & considerate, the roads are a goood example of that.
blokey
blokey
WA
36 posts
WA, 36 posts
15 Jan 2009 12:40am
No....

There is no way of enforcing regulation on kiters and it will create angst and conflict with those that have there noses set on staying independant.

Any enforcement by kiters on kiters is fraught with danger is respect of liability and those that try will more than likely be staring down the wrong end of a criminal assault/damage charge.

Enforcement by councils will be ineffective as Police take no interest in supporting enforcement of council by-laws and more than likely it will end up with a ranger coming down and enforcing local parking regulations and smashing everyone who isn't properly parked within the white lines.

I'm no kook lover but while people should be encouraged to join AKSA or other relevant kite association wherever you are in the world, along with being educated and then practicing responsible kiting, it's a free society.

I don't have an answer to the ongoing problem of kook's and knobhead kiters who consistently do the wrong things, my opinion is forced regulation isn't the answer and it won't work.

I also think its pertinent and relevant to note that beginners learning to kite through means other than an approved school are going to make mistakes. Once their comfortable kiting the vast majority will become aware of responsible kiting practices and stop making mistakes, but we have to accept its a sometimes unpredictable and dangerous sport and s*!t will happen regardless of any regulations.
bobdaboarder
bobdaboarder
NSW
185 posts
NSW, 185 posts
15 Jan 2009 7:18am
no. but i just dont understand why people find the need to kite just mtrs upwind of the flags at beaches not leaving much room if something happens. when there is kms of beach upwind to ride.
blow in
blow in
NSW
103 posts
NSW, 103 posts
15 Jan 2009 8:37am
yes

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au_rick
au_rick
WA
752 posts
WA, 752 posts
15 Jan 2009 6:50am
Yes, IF they also regulate poleys, surfers, boogers, kids on inflatables and everything else that floats.

KiteAction
KiteAction
QLD
337 posts
QLD, 337 posts
15 Jan 2009 12:21pm
No
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
15 Jan 2009 1:25pm
yes...... do it before it is done for us



Too many people ( mostly from less populated areas ) think it unecessary but they should bear in mind .... if city councils impose regulations or bans REGIONAL COUNCILS WILL FOLLOW they are terrified of law suits. I personally try to avoid the city beaches as much as possible ( hate kiting in crowds ) but it is pretty obvious all councils are nervous for the same reasons.
snoidberg
snoidberg
QLD
529 posts
QLD, 529 posts
15 Jan 2009 12:28pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
15 Jan 2009 1:30pm
I agree snoidberg, a big no from me. Regulation won't create any common sense. How's the double backroll kiteloop coming along?
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
15 Jan 2009 1:37pm
Clearly marked exclusion zones and local regulations need to be displayed - that's it.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
15 Jan 2009 1:02pm
Seems like there's a bunch of dickweeds who really want a kite-license.
lol.
They need their little piece of paper to say they are fully-certified to kook-out.
The license won't be free, you know.
It will cost you $400.
That's what Darren 'the knife' Kitehard will be charging for certifying you.
$400.
Cheap.
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
15 Jan 2009 3:04pm
Trem said...


As for licencing everyone - good luck! A license doesnt make you safe & considerate, the roads are a goood example of that.


yeah ....but...I dont drive on the open highway at 250 - 300kph even though I would like to and car can easily..... I dont ...because i would lose my licence I do agree there are those who dont give a ...

There is only one way to stop knob heads and that is to take away their right to kite...before their actions bring the sport into more disrepute and our access is limited....

Personally I find it quite sad that it is getting to this stage but kiting is becoming exceptionally popular and it is no longer a sport which sailors, surfers and generally confident and knowledgeable water users persue...... now it is joe blow from anywhwere turning up at the beach with little understanding of wind waves and conditions....if it wasnt for kiting they only time he would otherwise be near the ocean is when he cruises by in his tarted up lancer perving on chicks in bikinis as for being in the ocean I dont reckon half these guys even consider what they will do if they had to self rescue or swim in...they are having so much fun playing with their kite it just doesnt enter their minds


my vote - licence with a three strikes your out for 12months policy.... it would be difficult to police...I would suggest only national or state reps should be able to enforce or create strikes and of if they recieve complaints from coucil.

....and no licence = no kite purchase

People keep argueing it wont work blah blah blah
IT WILL WORK IF THE KITING COMMUNITY SUPPORT IT
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
15 Jan 2009 3:25pm
waveslave said...

Seems like there's a bunch of dickweeds who really want a kite-license.
lol.
They need their little piece of paper to say they are fully-certified to kook-out.
The license won't be free, you know.
It will cost you $400.
That's what Darren 'the knife' Kitehard will be charging for certifying you.
$400.
Cheap.


slave ,

I dont think anyone really wants to have to have a licence .....it is just becoming necessary ..... how do you suggest we stop the amateurs and show offs alike from endangering themselves, the public and the kitesurfing image ?
I reckon right now the public would be in support of kitesurfing in their areas as many people enjoy watching the kites etc....... It only takes one families day at the beach to be ruined with an in injury to a child etc........... it gets on the national news and suddenly councils are **** scared...and it is very easy for them to simply erect no kiting signs ...in their eyes its a simple no more injured children fix.......

nb: 12months ago I was in the "no" "no way basket" after a winter of kiting alone or with one or two others in unused locations and returning to the city beaches for after work sessions it is caos at times with 10 -15 x the number of kiters as three years ago

chronic
chronic
NSW
318 posts
NSW, 318 posts
15 Jan 2009 3:41pm
NO
either way i'm still kiting -
it'll just mean having to pay $$
and it'll be hard to enforce- and i can see the inspectors now chasing me on a downwinder at 7 mile beach
we'll be catarogised by the martime water whatever they call themselves- we'll become a boat ,needing lifejackets, radios ,toilets etc on our boards

just leave it alone, do nothing and nothing will happen as only the sqeaky wheel gets oiled and if everyone yabbers about it, some bureaucrat might listen and turn it all upside down for us all, and decide yes boys you are correct this is a dangerous sport from now on you can only kite here.... thus banning everywhere from say Mandurah to Geraldton.. think about that

just sponser cranky sam for regualar visits to all our beaches from time to time to clean things up

its about common sense after all and education to any newbies especially when selling off your old kites
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
15 Jan 2009 2:45pm
Hi Guys,

I was going to sit this one out because everyone knows (thinks they know) what I'm for.

Let me spell it out for those who seem a little slow.

I dont support a license. I do support mandatory lessons before being able to purchase and fly a kite. This would have to be supported by the retailers as a first place to start but I dare say that wont happen because too many sitting on old stock and very hard to police. But it can happen, look at PADI and Gunsmiths. You can't even buy ammo without a license or get air for your tanks.

I don't want kites to have registration numbers across their canopies, I do support the addition of a tag like the AKSA tag to be attached to your kite with your name, phone number and perhaps AKSA membership no. on it. This will al least let finders of kites know if you are in trouble and will be able to get your kite back to you if you are seperated from it without a massive expensive manhunt.

I do recommend compulsory membership for EVERY kiter to AKSA so that at the very least, everyone is covered by an insurance policy in the unfortunate event of a serious accident. It's only $65 FFS! Imagine the sway we would have with autorities if our AKSA membership was 10,000+ strong?

If we can't police ourselves by all of us doing the right thing, then I support bans at the swimming beaches frequented by locals and tourists and also support allocated kiting areas that no one else uses, but only if the alternative is an outright ban on the sport at all Metro beaches. Riding at crowded beaches like our old mate Alex and Grant for the look at me factor is bordering on criminal.

Maybe they can't ban you from kiting by law, but council can easily make it illegal to fly a kite where ever they want in their area. Look at Manly in Sydney. Go try kiting at Cottesloe at the main beach. Try kiting across to Rotto. There are rules in place already.

For all of you beating your chests and saying they can't do this and you won't do that ..... guess again, you will!

This is all part of the evolution of the sport as the sport comes of age and it'll come in one form or another. It's really up to us how this happens.

Good winds,



Paul1
Paul1
QLD
1011 posts
QLD, 1011 posts
15 Jan 2009 3:49pm
Unless its a license to kill, count me out.
Biagro
Biagro
WA
178 posts
WA, 178 posts
15 Jan 2009 3:21pm
a tea bagger license aye? i gotta vote no, but what about getting it? do u find a local kite instructor to do it with? and let me tell ya the line will be farking huge u would have to wait ages and in the mean time you can't kite
sebbu
sebbu
WA
154 posts
WA, 154 posts
15 Jan 2009 3:46pm
Think of licensing in terms of:

- SCUBA license
- Recreational Skippers Tickets
- To some extent a motorbike license

All of these apply in WA just fine.

Nobody cares if you haven't got them and are in a remote location where you can't hurt anyone else. At a crowded spot it does matter.

While you can't stop people intent on being fools from being fools, it does make people repsonsible for their own actions. And doesn't make the whole group responsible when one person fs up.

I'm not thrilled about it, but might be the way to go.
vader
vader
NSW
418 posts
NSW, 418 posts
15 Jan 2009 6:12pm
as soon as you regulate it costs moor money


so nooooooooooooo
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
15 Jan 2009 4:50pm
Kitehard said...

I dont support a license.



lol. ^^^
Kitehard's latest trick.....
the Backflip.
Kitehard said in another thread........
Quote:
"WE NEED A LICENSE AND COMPULSORY REGISTRATION".
Why the change of heart ??
Darren 'the knife' was also into cutting lines once.....
but not anymore.
* Backflip.
manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
VIC, 772 posts
15 Jan 2009 6:52pm
yes
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