Stkilda Problem?

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Fitzy
Fitzy
QLD
617 posts
QLD, 617 posts
28 Mar 2006 9:06pm
Have used a Reel Leash System for several years now. Bought both version one and the improved version from Steve at Kitepower.

I use a weak link as well as a helmet and impact vest. I kite several times a week (basically whenever there is wind) and have never had a mishap using this system. And have never lost a board.

The areas kited in up here include areas where there is often fast tidal flows that just LOVE to eat boards. (do a search of boards lost at the Gold Coast) Plenty of my mates have lost boards due to this problem. By the time the kite is relaunched the board is gone. It has nothing to do with experience as several IKO instructors and other very experienced riders have suffered similar losses here.

Basically comes down to a personal choice for mine. Kiting is risky. I guess more people have injured knees and ankles wearing a board than have suffered injury wearing a leash.


I'm with Steve on this one, particularly for learners.

Fitzy Gold Coast OZ

Gru
Gru
SA
14 posts
Gru Gru
SA, 14 posts
29 Mar 2006 9:54am
Fitzy,

How have you set up the weak link?

I have only recently started jumping, but have been using the reel leash for ages (I also wear a helmet).... have you had any issues with it when jumping?

quote:
Originally posted by Fitzy

Have used a Reel Leash System for several years now. Bought both version one and the improved version from Steve at Kitepower.

I use a weak link as well as a helmet and impact vest.

RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
29 Mar 2006 11:02am
The St Kilda Problem, is discarded boards causing damage which then is the responsibilty of the owner of the discarded board to cover.

The other problem is a world wide thing and shouldn't cloud the issue at hand.

we need a crash test dummy.
to test how much board speed is needed to cause injury when board edge makes contact with back of neck.

maybe someone experienced at russian roulette, or someone with a vested interest in selling board leashes.

please send graphic pictures of the results.
ran
ran
VIC
333 posts
ran ran
VIC, 333 posts
29 Mar 2006 11:42am
hmm lets add to this long thread.. ok i have never kited in St kilda (done a few other things but lets not bring that up here) but as i am moving back to Melb i felt i will join in. Ok NO LEASH, not weak linked ones, not reel one NO LEASH, why do we need to continue this? As an ex windsurfer, id like to say to 5meterdave that i understand the frustration of trashing a board, and understand you getting sick of picking up boards, but effectivly thiefing them aint the answer buddy, would you attach a leash when windsurfing? No ****ing way is the answer, i remember windsurfing in surf and having another windsurfers board clean me up cause he wiped out, should he have worn a leash, well if he wanted to loose a leg maybe so. Anyway once again NO LEASH ever!!! no reason for it really, maybe if your alone in the middle of the Atlantic ocean far from anyone else then ok. Does St kilda have a strong tide /rip that drags the boards into other areas?? i kite in a river mouth and we kite in a very strong outgoing tide so if you loose your board it shoots out to sea very quickly, we would far prefer to be picking up boards than promoting leashes, i have nearly been taken out from a kiter flying through the air with a leash, his board just missed me. Anyway, No LEASH,
im looking foward to kiting with the melb crew as most sound like a laugh and guys how about just picking up the board taking it to the beach (where the kiters are or close) and everyone doing thier best to get along, unless of course the bloke is a tool then just cut his lines...lol
NSW, 4382 posts
29 Mar 2006 11:52am
Nice try Tony, but that trolled lure is a bit obvious!

The problem with St Kilda is too many people with vested interests all using the area to teach, add to that the local kiters, the local look at me kiters, the local windsurfers, the locals, the tourists, got the picture??

Just did a google search for kiteboard/kitesurf lessons, there are several operators in the area, and several gift certificate resellers.
We dropped our association with gift certificate resellers this year, and first pioneering their use with Adrenalin.com.au several years ago.
They do generate lesson business, but almost all the customers referred are exactly the wrong sort of people to be doing lessons for or encouraging into this sport. I encourage all other businesses using this type of promotion to drop it, you are just overloading your area with couch potato, and "extreme" junkie kooks who will most likely never become kiteboarders. Some do buy gear, but only come to the beach in light onshore conditions and proceed to wreak havoc and potentially shut down you spot. This is not sustainable business, the sooner it is stopped the better for our sport and already crowded spot like St Kilda.

Its not difficult to work out, no amount of any type of leash will fix the problem in St Kilda, but a sincere effore to work co-operatively and with great tolerance would go a long way to providing a sustainable solution.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
29 Mar 2006 10:06am
quote:
Originally posted by Fitzy

Have used a Reel Leash System for several years now. Bought both version one and the improved version from Steve at Kitepower.

I use a weak link as well as a helmet and impact vest. I kite several times a week (basically whenever there is wind) and have never had a mishap using this system. And have never lost a board.

The areas kited in up here include areas where there is often fast tidal flows that just LOVE to eat boards. (do a search of boards lost at the Gold Coast) Plenty of my mates have lost boards due to this problem. By the time the kite is relaunched the board is gone. It has nothing to do with experience as several IKO instructors and other very experienced riders have suffered similar losses here.

Basically comes down to a personal choice for mine. Kiting is risky. I guess more people have injured knees and ankles wearing a board than have suffered injury wearing a leash.


I'm with Steve on this one, particularly for learners.

Fitzy Gold Coast OZ





Dear Fitzy,

I'm starting to think that you're a sucker for buying junk.

First, you buy an exploding Hellfish from Steve.
But that works out OK, you get your money back plus $100 credit,
and only Steve is the loser. L

Then with your credit burning a hole in your pocket,
you go and buy a Crossbow from Steve.
A kite with bar pressure from hell.

Thru sheer necessity, you solve the bar pressure problem with the now internationally famous 'Fitzy Mod'.
You become an instant hero with your peers and in the eyes of Cabrinha, a saboteur.

Then, to cap it all off, you pimp Reel leashes.
A tape-measure like device that was especially designed for sleepingbaggers.
An umbilical cord that connects the meat cleaver to the foil flyer,
after they ditch their doonas in the cruel sea.

Fitzy, you don't happen to drive a Chrysler P76 by any chance ?

Regards,
slave.
Fitzy
Fitzy
QLD
617 posts
QLD, 617 posts
29 Mar 2006 2:30pm
Hey Slave

I thought they were called P38's because they were only half a car

No am not pimping Reel Leashes for Steve, just giving my experiences with the unit over the past two and a half years. I use it every time I kite and have never had an accident involving it and have never lost a board or had one left floating as a danger to others.

I use a weak link which is a piece of webbing folded over with a hole burnt through it. The hole is covered with a washer and the fin screw goes through the lot.

I find that in a very bad crash the webbing is able to pull out over the top of the washer. Another idea that surfaced in this forum was the use of a cable zip tie. That has some merit IMO.

The use of leashes always brings out many proers and conners. My experience has been nothing but positive.

I think those who slam the idea as dangerous woud be better to look at their own personal safety.

I wonder how many use an impact vest and a helmet.

I always do and always will.

I see many "bullet proof" kiters each day riding with no body protection, no sunglasses, no shirt and some unhooked and with no safety systems.

Hmmmmmmm

PS I drive a Merc SLK Kompressor, a Merc ML 270 and a Musso Turbo Diesel. Safety is an issue.

Fitzy Gold Coast OZ

ran
ran
VIC
333 posts
ran ran
VIC, 333 posts
29 Mar 2006 4:28pm
NO LEASH
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
29 Mar 2006 6:15pm
a KP statment
quote:
Nice try Tony, but that trolled lure is a bit obvious!


Damm![}:)]


need more practice fishing, Hey doppleganger! how about showing me how to fish properly. This time don't pretend it's undersized and make me throw it back.
are sea urchins classed as fish? I catch plenty of them
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