To Leash or Not

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bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
13 Sep 2005 1:47pm
i dont bother with the leash but i have also lost a board, which was fished out of moreton bay and returned to me by a yachtie cause i wrote my contact details on the base in permanent marker. its a good idea to do this, even if you wear a leash, as people sometimes forget their board after packing up in the dark after a hard sesh..
PsYLoR
PsYLoR
QLD
927 posts
QLD, 927 posts
13 Sep 2005 2:51pm
No Leash! i would rather loose a board than have a board fling back and hit me. Some of the wipeouts ive had and seen...... Just learn to lift your legs up and try to keep the board on ya feet.
Body dragging is easy anyway its not hard to swim and hold a kite - you rocket upwind if you learn the technique. or just keep an eye on the board and run up the beach. In the surf most of the time the waves push the board back into the beach anyway.
ADS
ADS
WA
365 posts
ADS ADS
WA, 365 posts
13 Sep 2005 1:17pm
No leash for me. Having said that though, some of the best wave kiters in the world use a leash, especially in big,powerful surf. Now I am miles off the ability and experience of these guys granted, but given what I have seen, there are circumstances where a leash is needed. Start Shooting!
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paulio
paulio
QLD
890 posts
QLD, 890 posts
13 Sep 2005 5:40pm
I reckon you all should wear a leash, caus theres nothing better watchin guys cop a flogging and that board is just waiting for a chance to smack em in the back of the head.

Sorta like guys that unhook and ride a suicide(death) leash and multiple kiteloop it as they get dragged thru the water.

Its just entertainment!!!
Wish i was back in the day of Romans and lions.....MMMMMmmmmmmm
xtortya
xtortya
WA
322 posts
WA, 322 posts
23 Feb 2007 12:02am
NO LEASH!!!!!
i have a nice golf ball sized egg on my forehead from an airborne board that got some nice help from my retractable oceanus leash. A couple of inches lower and i wouldn't have any teeth left. A helmet wouldn't have helped me as it was too low on my face.
has anyone else had the same thing happen to them with the oceanus leashes?
rockstar
rockstar
NSW
64 posts
NSW, 64 posts
23 Feb 2007 2:25am

leash = geek
just learn how to drag upwind IT'S SIMPLE.
robbo
robbo
WA
306 posts
WA, 306 posts
23 Feb 2007 2:58am
nice blast from the past.
i dont even remember watching boost 1 and 2. lol
DaveSpruce
DaveSpruce
WA
568 posts
WA, 568 posts
23 Feb 2007 3:11am
I remember Air Sickness where Flash, Robbie and the guys were doing 900s on HUGE waveboards and at the end of the movie Lou totally ripping it with slimchances, kgbs, mobes and whatnot, TRUE wakestyle... and that was like 10 years ago!! The King is ALIVE!!!
Flyer51
Flyer51
WA
7 posts
WA, 7 posts
23 Feb 2007 5:30am
I have been kiting for 2 years and have always used a Wipika leash.
It's a non stretchy leash, and is 2.4 metres long.
My leash attaches to the handle on the back of my harness, and on the board side to a piece of webbing that spans between the fin screws on the top of the board.
I have always worn a Gath helmet.

The spot I kite at has medium to big waves almost always, so lots of big jumps in each session.
So far my board has never hit me, not even once, and I do some pretty big jumps.
My buddy does not wear a leash, and therefore no helmet. Recently his board got washed onto his head by a wave from behind while trying to body drag and find his board. Blood everywhere, and lots of stitches required. That's a problem I don't have, if I fall off and the board comes off my feet, a quick tug on the leash and I have the board in front of me again.
Two of my other buddies have lost boards. One was very lucky to find his the next day many kilometres away, the other was never found.
So while others spend time in the surf zone getting in the way while trying to recover lost boards, I am kiting.
The biggest danger at times is making sure you don't hit these boards floating around in the waves. Have had a couple of close misses in the past.

Two simple rules to remember if you wear a leash:
NO stretch in the leash.
Wear a helmet!

Gstar
Gstar
WA
391 posts
WA, 391 posts
23 Feb 2007 9:47am
quote:
Originally posted by Ryland

NO LEASH KEEP IT SAFE


Like Ry said...Oh and wear protection..
Boards are cheaper than heads!
jay
jay
WA
55 posts
jay jay
WA, 55 posts
23 Feb 2007 12:14pm
Good advice Gstar...........but I'm pretty sure even Ry uses a leash these days.
bolgo
bolgo
WA
912 posts
WA, 912 posts
23 Feb 2007 1:59pm
interesting
agree no leash necessary for flat water lawn mowing

seems pros have different ideas in the surf

at gnaraloo felix and mates all had leggies on

great shot on slingy website of kiter hooking in the pocket, whats on his leg??
xtortya
xtortya
WA
322 posts
WA, 322 posts
23 Feb 2007 2:20pm
definately a helmet for me from now on. got a nice little bruise and still bleeding where the egg was. getting rid of the leash but. If anyone wants it, give me an offer. Its one of the newer model oceanus ones with the meter of dog leash looking lead from the board to the hook. I'll probably swap for a carton or something. Its only been used 4 times. I'll be down pinnaroo this avo if your interested. just look for the hopeless guy on a silver 14 boxer, probably with more injuries.
keep chilled ppl.
Az
DaveSpruce
DaveSpruce
WA
568 posts
WA, 568 posts
23 Feb 2007 3:23pm
I would strongly advise not using a leesh.. specially when you are learner cause you might get a few trips looping and bouncing around and whatnot. A leesh that doesn't stretch is just not good enough. Say you are thrown down a few meters in the air, hit the water, the board still in the air continuing towards you and hit you in the head. That can get ugly. I've never used a leesh in my life, riden dozens of different boards in different conditions. Waves, flatwater, rivers, open ocean, side,on,offshore, and never lost a board.. I really can't understand how you can lose a board it's beyond my comprehansion.

Maybe if you kite teahupoo and don't wanna swim for 2 kms over the reef to get your board I can see using a leesh, but apart from that, leeshes are no-go. Besides, most boards don't even have anywhere to attach the leesh. Isn't that a sign good enough?
marno
marno
WA
218 posts
WA, 218 posts
23 Feb 2007 3:49pm
Az, I'm the guy that turned up with his new leash yesterday arvo and you had just been done in by yours. Nice egg mate !!! My leash went unreal, just wound back nice and slow each time I came off, mostly I had to wait a little bit for the board to get back to me. I reckon you just had a freak incident hey. Catch ya this arvo if its any good.
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
23 Feb 2007 5:59pm
I'm with davespruce on this one.
Leashes are a No No.
Best thing to do is practice bodydragging just practice for 30min and you will surely get it and will never even want to wear a leash after.

I was taught to body drag one way for about twenty seconds then back the other and have never since had a problem finding my board. sometimes the glare can be a problem but if you sheet in a little with the kite higher you can lift out of the water a little and get a better look.
If you are in the surf your board will probably be on the beach before you get there.

Lastly helmets are a must if you insist on wearing a leash, but remember they do not protect your face, your neck or your back or any part of your body and a flying board can really really hurt.

xtortya
xtortya
WA
322 posts
WA, 322 posts
23 Feb 2007 8:00pm
i think it was a freak accident Marno, it always came back to me really slow, i had to help it along most of the time. But i got lifted pretty far on this occassion and i felt the leash wizzing out the come to its end pretty harshly, i think thats what made it airbourne. I don't really remember too much after that. Back to body dragging for me now, i don't mind the little bit of extra time to catch my breath, and i tend to go more upwind when i'm body dragging than when i'm on the board. Says a lot about my board skills
i definately would advise using a helmet though marno, i was knocked out for a few seconds, i'd hate to see what happens if your ko'd for any longer.
see ya down there again mate,
Az
Skinner
Skinner
ACT
55 posts
ACT, 55 posts
1 Apr 2007 1:50am
Wow, the old thread lives. Its older than most peoples kites :)
As I type this I'm sporting a bump on the back of my head courtesy of my leash today. Kind of surprised me as it has always been either along side me or returned the board very slowly - actually I usually have to pull it in as my board thinks it is, in fact, a submarine and the reel pays out a long way.

I have been saying I'll get a helmet since I got the leash but I'd been lulled into a bit of a false sense of security by its convenience and lack of incidents. I'm under no illusions as to how much worse the knock could have been and I'll be ante-ing up for a helmet immediately. I also have a MASSIVE bruise and broken skin on the back of my leg from last time where the board must have hit me (dont remember it happening but I sure felt it when I got home).

Of course, I've had at least triple the board-time since getting the leash - as other people have pointed out, you can spend a much higher proportion of time bodydragging back to the thing, and a couple of times I've thought I'd lost it (as it prefers to turn upside down in the water). Its certainly convenient and I think will make you learn faster.

While I hope to one day (soon!) increase my competence to a level where I can get rid of it (ie not being totally unco' riding to the right) I find even small waves from 20kt+ winds at a place like botany bay get annoying when youre in the water and I got sick of taking in mouthfuls of water, receiving wedgies of a magnitude I never dreamed possible (from my harness) and just generally exhausting myself constantly dragging upwind. The bottom line being that there is a level of risk in kiting and undoubtedly an increased level of risk associated with using a leash - you mitigate that risk by the use of a helmet/vest and accept what remains or simply stay at home. (or learn to enjoy bodydragging). I thnk as long as you go in with your eyes open, they are a great aid to learning and reducing the piss-off factor during that period.

Sk
NSW, 4382 posts
1 Apr 2007 10:05am
Glad you are OK Skinner!
I agree that the oceanus reel leash does help get you more board time and speeds up learning.
However it is a leash and it connects your heavy board to your body, and if the leash is pulled tight under load then it will aim the board right at your body, as you painfully found out!

There seems to be a perception out there that the reel leash is a "safe" leash.
No such thing exists though!!!

If you wear a leash, a helmet is compulsory, and a vest too I reckon!

The main advantage of the Oceanus Reel Leash is that it does not drag in the water, and in small stacks it does not tend to send the board flying back at you. AND it makes it so much easier while learning water starts, because you are not constantly dragging for or chasing your board.

Leash of any type = Helmet (and vest)

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
skeggs
skeggs
QLD
84 posts
QLD, 84 posts
1 Apr 2007 11:46am
You only need a leash if your kitting in a dangerous spot where loosing your board will cause you more injury than a big gash in the head, arm or face... It only takes one session to get over not having a leash. DON'T WEAR ONE!
bellz
bellz
WA
572 posts
WA, 572 posts
1 Apr 2007 11:34am
hey maTE I LOST MY BOARD ASWELL at pinnaroo on tuesday i use a leash but it snapped DONT USE A SURFBOARD LEASH use a retractable one and use a helmet untill your confident bodydragging back to your board but the problem is with glair u often dont see it and u lose your board so put ur name and number on it!!!
Slack
Slack
WA
685 posts
WA, 685 posts
1 Apr 2007 11:53am
I am new to the sport and I just bought my gear off ebay and the kit came with a leash. I didn't use it the first time and I did find it time consuming keeping an eye on the kite and then having to retrieve the board. I am now using the leash (and I went and bought a helmet too) and now I only need to concentrate on flying the kite, maybe when I get the hang of it I will get rid of the leash.
Danger Mouse
Danger Mouse
WA
592 posts
WA, 592 posts
1 Apr 2007 11:19pm
DEFINATELY NO LEASH
When I was starting out, I thought "Oh I've spent all this money on a nice new board, I don't want to lose it". But I did go for the Gath helmet too. My wake up call came when my board submarined, anchored my kite (with me as part of that equasion, ouch) then broke the leash as the board was pulled from the water and landed in the water only about 2ft from my head.

The best way to approach this situation as a newbie, is to only kite in spots where the wind will blow your board back onto shore if you can't find it after a wipeout (last resort), practice the body dragging upwind (staying as absolutely straight and stretched out as you can. Also, you obviously have a board, but when buying a new one, don't just go for the cool look, go for a really bright colour that will stand out really well in the water too.

Kiting = Life
D
coastflyer
coastflyer
SA
601 posts
SA, 601 posts
2 Apr 2007 2:11pm
Hey I can't believe how old this topic is, but the fact is that it will always be relevent. I recently bought the retactable leash and as long as it attached to one END of the board, this will eliminate 99% of problems such as tombstoning, followed by liftoff such as one of those missiles in Iraq! All of my friends use leashes and helmets and have yet to have a accident with the board. This is a extreme water sport and it will always have risks. I did try a couple of sessions without a leash and my riding time was reduced by half, mainly due to my very average skill level! One day I may have the confidence to ditch it, but not yet.
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