Ryland said...

LayDownSam said...

Ok, so if surfboards are to be the craft of competition will there be a spot for bodyboarders and kneelos who kite. We don't use straps and some times unhook and we get tubed way more than the standups.

your lying down its easier than everything

For your information I ride drop knee as the spreader bar gets in the way, as you would know if you ever tried to paddle your board. If you haven't tried a body board with a kite don't knock it till you do, the skill level is way harder than riding a surfboard. My board is finless and strapless as you are clueless, why don't you try and be a bit more open minded.

just skim read the last three pages ...so ..my two cents...

Two comps ..one early...some discussion (arguing) and with a bit of learning curve to guide everyone then a second later. Waiting period as suggested above.

Now with some deliberation and thought with respect to all the points made by everyone..... that there will be a clear need for two divisions.
As far as time requirements go it will be an advantage that unstrapped riders will not out number those using straps and will make organising two divisions easier than if everyone did both.

All disciplines are progressive so there should be no argument on what direction the sport is taking. No matter what board you ride there is only one common difference in its design that makes its operation different. Board shape doesn't matter, your either stuck to it or your not. Think about this..nothing to do with 'style', being connected is a different discipline.
Even a booga duct taped lying down to his board will have the dynamic (starting with bailing out but also weight distribution and grip) completely changed. I hope someone finds this mental image funny!!!

Keep in mind that this is a wave riding competition especially when judging your scores and choosing your 'style' of strapped or unstrapped board.

As far as hooked or un hooked, this will be quite visible in the execution of the moves.. no brainer really and both are acceptable and judged as such.

we need cooler division names than strapped or unstrapped..
Busting Limits and Hardcore

BUt now I have written this I cringe... I dont really like competitions and its a shame that the kite surfing explosion is only going to get worse if these types of events get going..
It will be too crowded to surf when its windy as well now.. And I havnt got enough kite time under my belt to say I was in there early enough yet.
oh well 2cents spent.

waveslave said...

Are they trying to prove a point ?
Are they attempting to make some kind of weird statement ?

Their point is ...
If a wax-guy beats a strap-guy, (in their mind) that win has been emphatic,
regardless of how close the contest looked to be.

Here is the escape-clause if wax-guy loses ...
If a strap-guy beats a wax-guy (in a close fought heat), that win can only be a hollow success cause it was undeserved.
It's a victory that strap-guy can never rightly celebrate.

*Two divisions.
*Two contests.

stamp said...

why are you quoting and answering yourself?

it seems like a pointless thing to do

At least when he quotes himself he gets the quote right.
(well ? pretty close most times)

ApatheticEnd said...

Could we have less talk about how it will be scored and more about how we can help make it happen?

I was out on my SUP tonight having a chat with someone who works for one of the potential sponsors of an event like this [they were thinking a free kiteboard first prize ], but having seen what a bun fight of strapped vs unstrapped viewpoints the post rapidly degenerated into, they rapidly canned that idea and I wouldn't blame them. There are other posts on this thread for the trolls to continue there sissy bickering, please leave this one towards practical suggestions on getting this event off the ground.

Ryland suggested Mandurah as a potential site. I have competed at many a successful windsurf event at Gearies, which is ideally sideshore in WSW and has a great vantage point for spectators and judges. Also I have never been as cold in WA as when standing one the dune top at Gearies between winter heats [should be called colds at that time of year], The windsurfers may be organising an event this year as well and it would be wise to check with windsurfing WA before considering dates.

Within the Metro area, personally I would favour Trigg / Scabbies for Cottesloe for Northerlies, southerlies [depending on swell size as the northern beaches tend to close out on the really big swells] and North Fremantle Portbeach for westerlies given the slightly different angles of the setup. The location could be posted on this forum 2 hrs before the start time, save hassle trying to get everyones mobile for an SMS.

I will talk to a few people who might like to act as organisers, but the main thing is keep it simple, no judging towers, no intercom, no promo girls [inJuly?as if!], that way we are mobile and out there. Getting as many guys out on the water as possible should be the objective. No one should feel intimidated that they aren't good enough', or on the right gear. All should just 'give it a go', and if you're doing your thing drop knee on a bodyboard ..........well I definitely gotta see that.

I agree it would be sensible to run strapped and unstrapped heats seperately. So long as heats are kept fairly short and numbers high, this would still work. I for one would want to compete in both. Running 2 comps is ridiculous and would result in neither happening. A few twists with a screwdriver is all it takes, and you can then compete in both. If you haven't strapped your surfboard yet plenty of time to get out the epoxy. When you consider that point, it makes the arguments expressed here seem pathetic.

So once more lets focus on what we share not what are differences are and make this thing happen.

OK guys were on.

This is the format for the event as agreed at a meeting last night between myself and a group of fellow kiters.

The essence of the event is simpicity, if it gets to complex it wont happen at all. We want to be able to run the event within 2 hrs as that is often all the window of opportunity you will get in the winter.

I am not organising or running this event, I am simply going to call a location.

The event organisation, safety and behaviour of all competitors is the responsibility of each competitor no one else. This is not a WAKSA event, but each individual is responsible for his own safety and also for anyone else he may hit or get tangled with. There will be a sign-in at the start with a disclaimer. There will be no entry fee. I suggest that each competitor has AKSA membership so he has 3rd party insurance but once again that is the responsibility of the individual. There will be head judge/event co-ordinator announced on the day but judging will be by yourselves the voting peers on the day.

There will not be seperate heats for strapped or unstrapped.

Each observing competitors should nominate the winner of the heat based on an overall impression score. There is no wave maximum or minimum. One great wave might win the event. The object is to ride the best wave and get the best out of it. Only actual wave riding moves will score.

There will be equal divison of the group at the start with the 2 heats. Half on the beach judging and half on the water competing. The best will got through to semis and the best in that through to final.

There will be a 6 man final. 4 from the first run and 2 more from a single 'losers last chance' heat. This mean we only have to run five heats to decide who is in the final.

Heats will be 15mins [Unless the wind craps out].

Minimal wind speed should be 'powered with a 9m' whatever that is, because onshore vs sideshore requires more actual knots.
There will be a carton of beer for the winner and six packs for runners up, but they will be expected to share them on the beach at the end.

I will aim to call it at a location as sideshore as possible. The problem with onshore being mainly that it will spread people out over 100s of meters and judjing will be impossible. We will run it at either Leighton/Port Beach or Brighton. It will not be out of town at least not for the first event. We will see how this one goes first. Cottesloe beach has the downside of lack of beach space as there will be mayhem on the beach with launching and landing.

All competitors should furl there lines as soon as there kit is down or we will quickly have a spaghetti junction.

This is the basic format. I will aim to post the location the night before on this website, but may update at any point up til 2hrs before.

Helpful additional suggestions are welcomed but the main message is keep it simple and keep it fun and most importantly if you have got any ability in wavekiting at all please enter, the more guys the more fun. Show us your best move.
The first window of oppertunity is any week end in June.

OK guys were on.

This is the format for the event as agreed at a meeting last night between myself and a group of fellow kiters.

The essence of the event is simpicity, if it gets to complex it wont happen at all. We want to be able to run the event within 2 hrs as that is often all the window of opportunity you will get in the winter.

I am not organising or running this event, I am simply going to call a location.

The event organisation, safety and behaviour of all competitors is the responsibility of each competitor no one else. This is not a WAKSA event, but each individual is responsible for his own safety and also for anyone else he may hit or get tangled with. There will be a sign-in at the start with a disclaimer. There will be no entry fee. I suggest that each competitor has AKSA membership so he has 3rd party insurance but once again that is the responsibility of the individual. There will be head judge/event co-ordinator announced on the day but judging will be by yourselves the voting peers on the day.

There will not be seperate heats for strapped or unstrapped.

Each observing competitors should nominate the winner of the heat based on an overall impression score. There is no wave maximum or minimum. One great wave might win the event. The object is to ride the best wave and get the best out of it. Only actual wave riding moves will score.

There will be equal divison of the group at the start with the 2 heats. Half on the beach judging and half on the water competing. The best will got through to semis and the best in that through to final.

There will be a 6 man final. 4 from the first run and 2 more from a single 'losers last chance' heat. This mean we only have to run five heats to decide who is in the final.

Heats will be 15mins [Unless the wind craps out].

Minimal wind speed should be 'powered with a 9m' whatever that is, because onshore vs sideshore requires more actual knots.
There will be a carton of beer for the winner and six packs for runners up, but they will be expected to share them on the beach at the end.

I will aim to call it at a location as sideshore as possible. The problem with onshore being mainly that it will spread people out over 100s of meters and judjing will be impossible. We will run it at either Leighton/Port Beach or Brighton. It will not be out of town at least not for the first event. We will see how this one goes first. Cottesloe beach has the downside of lack of beach space as there will be mayhem on the beach with launching and landing.

All competitors should furl there lines as soon as there kit is down or we will quickly have a spaghetti junction.

This is the basic format. I will aim to post the location the night before on this website, but may update at any point up til 2hrs before.

Helpful additional suggestions are welcomed but the main message is keep it simple and keep it fun and most importantly if you have got any ability in wavekiting at all please enter, the more guys the more fun. Show us your best move.
The first window of oppertunity is any week end in June.

Niall - good call with the all in approach,

keep all the kite surfers together !

the best kiter will stand out, no matter what combination of apparatus they utilise to hit it !

Could be worth while starting off a new thread on this.

"Why would we bother trying this? Just like bodyboarding, your just a slacker who couldnt be bothered properly learning the sport. Till you do you wont get the respect in the line up.

"

???

I obviously did not make myself clear enough I said helpful suggestion.

Do people actually read what post they are on are are they just so busting to give us their self opinions that they will stick it anywhere. The people who are trying to get this thing off the ground simply want everyone to have a good time. Whatever you may feel your differing styles are, all kiters share a love of the one sport for the same reasons. Kiters have a lot more in common as a group than they have differences. Keep the slagging and the bagging elsewhere and say something positive. Share your venom for those would deny us access to the water, or pollute our oceans.

its a joke for sure...just like the time I was body dragging through the lineup at scarbs...

Everyone's giving me grief yelling out "this is no place for a beginner, get outta here!"

Im saying "no, no you've got it all wrong...Im kite body surfing!"