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bustamove

7 posts

bustamove

7 posts

6 Dec 2006 8:11am

just to new the sport and its time to get a new kite but there is so much hype that one kite is better than the other but is it all marketing or are there big differences
1. if bows are so good why doesn't every one use them and why dont you see many unhooked moves on them.
2. hybrids seem to getting noticed what makes them a sweet ride
3.are c's here to stay are they the kiters choice
i have a PL at the moment and i cant find a good enough reason to change but than i dont know good from bad

dave......

2119 posts

dave......

WA, 2119 posts

6 Dec 2006 10:34am

mate, please read the threads over the last 2 years for your answer.
If youre good enough go demo some of these newies. no one out here in cyberspace can give you more than their biased opinion.
There are some wicked new kites in 07, see for yourself.
Most kiting schools are now teaching on bow/hybrid kites for the depower capabilities as well as C kites, but in New Zealand you might want a rat or gin to use in the snow?

caz

27 posts

caz

WA, 27 posts

6 Dec 2006 11:17am

get 1 of each 20-30+ loving the pl v10 stuff up it's overhead
light to 24 caution spitfire3 good jumper
sonic 18-23 easy cruisy floaty
we are totally spoilt they're all good

batton_holder

92 posts

batton_holder

WA, 92 posts

6 Dec 2006 3:48pm

what's your criteria, wake, surf, old school new school??

dachopper

1802 posts

dachopper

WA, 1802 posts

6 Dec 2006 4:36pm

dude generally if a company claims their product is the best in it's class then it's hype...

If your buy something new like a 06 kite, rather than listening to how good pple say it is.... have a look at how bad it is and if you can't find any info saying it's bad then it's probably all good! It's also not bad if it aint reported as beeing that good but still hasn't been reported as bad either.

If your allready rideing someing and you want to upgrade... Think about the things that "p" you off the most on your kite or the reasons you won't go out on it / unhook / or relaunch.... then look for a kite that does those things better and you will be happy

Fitzy

QLD

617 posts

Fitzy

QLD, 617 posts

6 Dec 2006 5:36pm

Waroo.... Feels and flys like a "C" but depowers and relaunches like a Bow

Best of both worlds I.M.O.

Fitzy Gold Coast OZ

LEWISS

NSW

335 posts

LEWISS

NSW, 335 posts

6 Dec 2006 7:19pm

ran

VIC

333 posts

ran

VIC, 333 posts

6 Dec 2006 7:51pm

PL, you mean a flying matress, any change will be a good one IMO, if you are cashed up get on C kites but buy 3 so you have all wind ranges covered, if not go for a hybrid id say, im just not a fan of full out bow kites but hey this is just my opinion.

dachopper

1802 posts

dachopper

WA, 1802 posts

6 Dec 2006 6:03pm

if you don't wanna worry about getting 3 c-kites , buy two that come with 5th lines.

bustamove

7 posts

bustamove

7 posts

6 Dec 2006 6:38pm

i really good to hear so much on these 3 kites theres not a lot of kites where iam so i dont get to see many all i get is what i read in the mags

qfmike737

QLD

398 posts

qfmike737

QLD, 398 posts

6 Dec 2006 8:00pm

The best kite for you is the one that suits you and just you:

Things you are probably already considering:

1) The right Price
2) Suits the conditions you are going to ride in
3) Suits the style of riding you want to do

- obviously size is going to be dependent on the conditions, weight of rider, and board size etc

It's really confusing for many people new to the sport or perhaps coming from a PL kite.

If you want something with a bit of both worlds perhaps have a look at the 2007 F-One Tribal 2. It's a C kite with no bridles, has the safety of a 5th line, Has a depower/power set up similar to the bow or flat kites. It also has a big wind range. You can use this kite for doing unhooked tricks or just use like a flat kite.

I've heard people say that C kites dont offer as much wind range as flat/bow kites. That's not really true there are alot of new C-kites that offer extended wind range and some C kites have come a long way since flat/bow kites have come out.

If you prefer a more 'bow' feel perhaps a North Rebel would be something worth trying. It's a 'flatter' kite that does not have bridles and has a C-kite bar and line set up. It features 100% depower like other Bow/Flat kites. It also has a 5th line.

Buzz

NSW

319 posts

Buzz

NSW, 319 posts

6 Dec 2006 9:20pm

For some more info...

Go to www.iksurfmag.com and go to the story :

Bow Kites

then read the section ... "Is it a bow, is it a hybrid, or is it an SLE ?

echostorm

QLD

1245 posts

echostorm

QLD, 1245 posts

7 Dec 2006 4:33am

ahhh the great C vs Bow debate. I guess you should weigh up the pros and cons of each kite search through previous posts and figure out what conditions your riding in. If its ocean riding then id say go bow mate... Ive had a 12m Turbo Diesel for 8 months and although tricky to master in regards to preventing inverting and fixing an invert the wind range is awesome. I take it out in all types of wind from 13-30 knots. I weigh 76kgs and ride an old wake board so am very underpowered around 13 knots. My only regret is not buying a 14m (I shouldnt have listened to the salesman at the shop).

Hybrids are still new technology, but each to there own dude they're all good kites these days.

dachopper

1802 posts

dachopper

WA, 1802 posts

7 Dec 2006 6:49am

although tricky to master in regards to preventing inverting and fixing an invert... and if your a beginner you probably don't want to get something that does this , you want something that flyies good out of the box and does not require any mastery.....

kitecrazy

QLD

70 posts

kitecrazy

QLD, 70 posts

7 Dec 2006 8:27am

I think you also need to consider the conditions where you kite.
where I do most of mine in Auckland it is really gusty most of the time so bow kites have become really popular even with a lot of the top riders because of the power range. Its not unusual to have a 15 knt wind range so it was really hard going on my fuels a lot of the time wheras I now use a 14m waroo 80% of the time with the 9m hardley coming out of the bag. Im moving to queensland soon and will probley
use the slingshots again because the winds are more constant.
The best thing to do is try as many as you can and then decied.
ware in NZ are you

sunseeker

QLD

1203 posts

sunseeker

QLD, 1203 posts

7 Dec 2006 10:22am

quote:
Originally posted by bustamove

just to new the sport and its time to get a new kite but there is so much hype that one kite is better than the other but is it all marketing or are there big differences
1. if bows are so good why doesn't every one use them and why dont you see many unhooked moves on them.
2. hybrids seem to getting noticed what makes them a sweet ride
3.are c's here to stay are they the kiters choice
i have a PL at the moment and i cant find a good enough reason to change but than i dont know good from bad

If you haven't seen any moves being busted on bow kites then you've just been watching the wrong people. Go see a Cabrinha Demo somewhere and you'll see many unhooked moves on a switchblade. The only unhooked downfall of a bow kite is that it doesn't deliver as much power in a kite loop as a C kite does. There are many wannabees riding C kites just be cool and don't ever ride unhooked anyway. I'm doing much more on bow kites now than I ever did on my C kites because of the range that I can use them in. Try out a Switchblade 2 or a North Rebel. I've seen heaps of progressive stuff being done on these kites.

BoDiddly

VIC

622 posts

BoDiddly

VIC, 622 posts

7 Dec 2006 4:58pm

Any kite that get's me out on the water, be it a C, BOW, SLE, hybrid, Ramair, One(?!), 2, 3(?!), 4, or 5 line, drives like a truck or a dream... either way, if you're on the water having a blast then that's all that counts.

Later.

waveslavefan

16 posts

waveslavefan

16 posts

7 Dec 2006 3:11pm

Everyone knows C's are the best. Don't bother getting a bow kite you can get the same thrill playing lawn bowls with grandpa.

kitecrazzzy

2184 posts

kitecrazzzy

WA, 2184 posts

7 Dec 2006 7:19pm

its c's for me, why is harder question
#cheaper
#no stupid bridals to mess around with
#fith line
#unhooked ease, less thought about the kite-more 4 focusing on the landing
#easy to understand
#i dont mess with what i like

i cant afford to switch between kites and all these kites have thier problems and it will take a while to work them out-maybe later in the season i might switch but for now i have my 2006 c's and their 5th lines
i did have the idea of getting a joker but im just going to upgrade my current kites

echostorm

QLD

1245 posts

echostorm

QLD, 1245 posts

8 Dec 2006 10:09am

Have you noticed that almost everyone who bags a bow doesnt own one, yet the people that own them swear by them swear highly of them. Oh well, ignorance is bliss ey.

kiteodyssey

QLD

17 posts

kiteodyssey

QLD, 17 posts

8 Dec 2006 4:47pm

Have you noticed the trend with the Bow brigad is that they all love the depower, hence wind range. They all coment about only needing one kite. So does it come down to money outlay and being a lazy ass... ie only pumping up one kite in a session. Ive owned both and my progression severly slowed down on the bow kite. It was great for wave riding and when the wind was gusty crappy s...t. As for the other 75% of the time cant go past the C..... sure you need a couple more kites but whats the big deal at least your going out on the right tuned machine for that condition and not working the ass out of the bar like on a bow....
But at the end of the day its whatever turns your cranks eh....

qfmike737

QLD

398 posts

qfmike737

QLD, 398 posts

8 Dec 2006 5:58pm

its c's for me, why is harder question
#cheaper-Some are some are not#no stupid bridals to mess around with - NORTH REBEL, F-One Tribal/Rival/NORTH VEGAS
#fith line - NORTH REBEL/F-One Tribal/Rival/NORTH VEGAS there are kites with 100% depower that have 5th lines which are great to have.
#unhooked ease, less thought about the kite-more 4 focusing on the landing
#easy to understand
#i dont mess with what i like

i cant afford to switch between kites and all these kites have thier problems and it will take a while to work them out-maybe later in the season i might switch but for now i have my 2006 c's and their 5th lines
i did have the idea of getting a joker but im just going to upgrade my current kites

I agree with all the benefits of a C-Kite but I still think the kite that suits any customer is the one that suits each individual.

echostorm

QLD

1245 posts

echostorm

QLD, 1245 posts

8 Dec 2006 7:02pm

quote:
Originally posted by kiteodyssey

Have you noticed the trend with the Bow brigad is that they all love the depower, hence wind range. They all coment about only needing one kite. So does it come down to money outlay and being a lazy ass... ie only pumping up one kite in a session.

Quite often ill be out in 15knots then it will increase to 25knots or vs versa. I leave my kite in the car all the time with no need to replace or change it for different conditions. I think it boils down to convenience. It seems all the 'C brigade' bag the 'complexity' of a bow, does that mean your too much of a dumb-ass to figure it out?

philthy1

14 posts

philthy1

14 posts

12 Jan 2007 9:05pm

quote:
Originally posted by echostorm

quote:
Originally posted by kiteodyssey

Have you noticed the trend with the Bow brigad is that they all love the depower, hence wind range. They all coment about only needing one kite. So does it come down to money outlay and being a lazy ass... ie only pumping up one kite in a session.

Quite often ill be out in 15knots then it will increase to 25knots or vs versa. I leave my kite in the car all the time with no need to replace or change it for different conditions. I think it boils down to convenience. It seems all the 'C brigade' bag the 'complexity' of a bow, does that mean your too much of a dumb-ass to figure it out?

I could say exactly the same thing about my Tribal II 13m

LEWISS

NSW

335 posts

LEWISS

NSW, 335 posts

13 Jan 2007 12:59am

yeah get a C kite, F.one tribal 2 and use it on its standard lines and bar with the Integral system. For all u little pussies that have to push the bar away to stop. Kiting is getting too advanced and easy to do now, thats why its getting so popular and crowded.

Sorry a bit off track but its true.

jan

1119 posts

jan

WA, 1119 posts

13 Jan 2007 2:34pm

quote:
Originally posted by kiteodyssey

Have you noticed the trend with the Bow brigad is that they all love the depower, hence wind range. They all coment about only needing one kite.

Have you noticed most Bow riders still poo stance and rarely unhook?

dan OK?

VIC

253 posts

dan OK?

VIC, 253 posts

13 Jan 2007 5:58pm

quote:
Originally posted by echostorm

Have you noticed that almost everyone who bags a bow doesnt own one, yet the people that own them swear by them swear highly of them. Oh well, ignorance is bliss ey.

Spend over 2 grand on a new kite and it gets hard to admit its a piece of crap.

C- 5th line for me. Cause if you cant hold your edge you deserve to get spanked!

azza

1338 posts

azza

1338 posts

13 Jan 2007 5:00pm

Fitzy's quite right.

quote:
Originally posted by Fitzy

Waroo.... Feels and flys like a "C" but depowers and relaunches like a Bow

Best of both worlds I.M.O.

Fitzy Gold Coast OZ

Tvillegus

QLD

98 posts

Tvillegus

QLD, 98 posts

13 Jan 2007 6:23pm

hows about c-type to learn on, ie holding an edge. then when you progress go to bow so you have the safety and depower of a bow if you ever need it. Thats what ive done anyway.

user

1140 posts

user

WA, 1140 posts

13 Jan 2007 7:08pm

You might as well face it........

BOW KITES RULE !!

LEWISS

NSW

335 posts

LEWISS

NSW, 335 posts

14 Jan 2007 12:00am

quote:
Originally posted by azza

Fitzy's quite right.

quote:
Originally posted by Fitzy

Waroo.... Feels and flys like a "C" but depowers and relaunches like a Bow

Best of both worlds I.M.O.

Fitzy Gold Coast OZ

Might be true, but thats what everyone says about bow kites, what most people dont realise is that any sort of BOW kite will always hold power a lot more than a C kite. For wakestyle moves, you dont want that. U want a kite that has power, but once uve loaded up and "POPED" the lines go slightly slack, allowing you to do a handle pass or something good.

I know this because I used to ride a Cab Switchblade, I learnt quickily, but then stopped and couldn't progress anymore. Straight onto a C kite now and Im landing **** I never thought I would be able to do after 1 yr of kiting.

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