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dachopper
dachopper
WA
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WA, 1802 posts
24 Jun 2006 1:46pm
does anyone know how many manufacturers will be going to curved tip c models next year ????
kiterpilot
kiterpilot
WA
249 posts
WA, 249 posts
24 Jun 2006 1:54pm
how many went "bow" this year chop chop ?, therein lies your answer...
robecq
robecq
VIC
51 posts
VIC, 51 posts
24 Jun 2006 4:17pm
f-one, north, gaastra and wipika. any others?
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
24 Jun 2006 3:23pm
ocean rodeo. rrd
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
WA, 1802 posts
24 Jun 2006 4:08pm
flexifoil ion?
NSW, 4382 posts
25 Jun 2006 6:16am
The Ion is a current model, it is a SLE kite that has curved tips but it is definitely not a C kite. The current Flexifoil C kite is the Fusion, one of the best C kites around.
I was checking out the construction of the Ion last night, it has the best construction of any SLE or Bow, it is very similar to the surf tough construction of the Fuels.

I'm sworn to secrecy on next years lineup, but I can say that they will have a C kite, because aaron still prefers to ride them for competition.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
BrisKites
BrisKites
QLD
1293 posts
QLD, 1293 posts
25 Jun 2006 9:27am
Looks like quite a few will be taking it up. It's good to see kite makers like F-One sticking to thier guns and doing things thier own way.
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
25 Jun 2006 6:11pm
meh i couldnt care less. wat if there own way is ****?


I ride fone coz its good. when its not good i wont ride them. brand loyalty is bs.
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
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26 Jun 2006 7:46pm
Curved tips are in.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
27 Jun 2006 5:24am
07 will be the year of Curved tips.

Both C and Hybrid.

One to add to the possible Curved tips is Best.

At any rate, they will be playing catchup with the Impact for performance and the Matrix for super user friendlyness.

Also we will probably see a move to standardised bars for all a brands kites. Where they offer C, Hybrid, or Bow.

We now know the things that really work in the real world are
Curved tips
LE battens
5th lines

I'll let you all debate what else could be on that list.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
27 Jun 2006 7:35am
umm so why are curved tips so this year? Didnt flexy & fone have them a few seasons ago? Why are curved tips so revolutionary?
puppetonaring
puppetonaring
WA
26 posts
WA, 26 posts
27 Jun 2006 7:20am
leading edge battens are a load of sh!t!!!! u dont need them just a waste of money and space not to mention its just another thing to break or pierce your canopy.
NSW, 4382 posts
27 Jun 2006 9:34am
quote:
Originally posted by GalahOnTheBay

umm so why are curved tips so this year? Didnt flexy & fone have them a few seasons ago? Why are curved tips so revolutionary?



You are right Galah, curved tips are not revolutionary, they are an evolution from the days of the Flexi Storm 2 kites.
All the bows have curved tips, so now some designers are making kites that they are calling C's, and have 5th line bridles supporting the LE and are living in denial about the kite being a Bow or SLE.

Its just funny watching the squirming and circular hype machine on the forums and in advertising.
These marketing geniuses think we all started kiting 2 years ago and have no memory.

Curved tips are only on kites because it is a well known fact that the sport is diminated by males and everyone knows males get excited about curved tips.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
27 Jun 2006 9:32am
Sure there maybe nothing revolutionary about Curved tips, and it was F-one that made the design work with their M5's etc.

What we are seeing is that evolutionary natural selection theory being put to the test, and Kite manufacturers seeing that the F-ones really do perform, and that design being proven over again by the Wipika Indy, then Matrix and Vegas.

Bows will be seen as an evolutionary mutation that fitted into a temporary niche, then had to quickly readapt into the enviroment of real performance, thus defining the new age term "Hybrid".

BrisKites
BrisKites
QLD
1293 posts
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27 Jun 2006 4:54pm
quote:
Originally posted by GalahOnTheBay

umm so why are curved tips so this year? Didnt flexy & fone have them a few seasons ago? Why are curved tips so revolutionary?



Because Flexi didn't do it right. There was very little advantage to what they did with them.
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
27 Jun 2006 3:05pm
Curves tips is just so fresh and exciting.

user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
27 Jun 2006 3:40pm
quote:
Originally posted by RAL INN

Sure there maybe nothing revolutionary about Curved tips, and it was F-one that made the design work with their M5's etc.

What we are seeing is that evolutionary natural selection theory being put to the test, and Kite manufacturers seeing that the F-ones really do perform, and that design being proven over again by the Wipika Indy, then Matrix and Vegas.

Bows will be seen as an evolutionary mutation that fitted into a temporary niche, then had to quickly readapt into the enviroment of real performance, thus defining the new age term "Hybrid".





Rubish!

Kites are coming out with curved tips because thats what Crossbows have!

The Crossbow defines the term "Revolutionary"

Some of thje copiers call themselves "hybrids"
They just cant admit to being behind !
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
27 Jun 2006 7:09pm
curved tips or not,
it's the feeel thats important!
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
28 Jun 2006 5:37am
quote:
Originally posted by user


Rubish!

Kites are coming out with curved tips because thats what Crossbows have!





Let us see Oh brilliant one. which came first the M5 or the C/bow.

Just who designed the crossbow?
surely the crossbow was the design sold by Bruno to anyone who wanted it, and then his own company, used a different design.
Go Figure!

buying a design then naming it a crossbow doesn't give any rights to using crossbow as the defining term of revolution.
The BOW kite design did spark a frienzy of design of Bow kites and the Non-patent variants. It did shift marketing emphasis to depower.

But show some intelligence and not call a mule a horse.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
28 Jun 2006 7:20am
quote:
Originally posted by gruezi

Curves tips is just so fresh and exciting!



lol - you might be on to something there...
windslave
windslave
QLD
151 posts
QLD, 151 posts
28 Jun 2006 7:20am
Ral Inn, why is it that you dont like Crossbows?
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
28 Jun 2006 7:22am
quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia
Curved tips are only on kites because it is a well known fact that the sport is diminated by males and everyone knows males get excited about curved tips.


...Steve - I think you got it in one! Now all i need to do is whor out what "curved tip" you are referring to
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
28 Jun 2006 9:40am
quote:
Ral Inn, why is it that you dont like Crossbows?


It's not if i like Crossbows or not. It's giving credit where credit is due.
The Crossbow came from a design(very closely) of Bruno's, so lets give that design the credit for this design tangent.

When Bruno sold that design his company "Takoon" had already gone past it in favour of a design, more user friendly. The Nova.(That's others words not mine).

What we can't let slip by our collective marketing hype dazed minds is that the 06 collective of 'C' kitesand in particular the Curved tip variants, stepped up to the mark and delivered on both outright performance and depower. That trend will continue in the coming season.

give credit to Bows for what they deserve credit for, but don't hype them into that mystical twilight zone where the souls of Hellfishes roam.
LookUp
LookUp
WA
124 posts
WA, 124 posts
28 Jun 2006 10:44am
quote:
Originally posted by user

quote:
Originally posted by RAL INN

Sure there maybe nothing revolutionary about Curved tips, and it was F-one that made the design work with their M5's etc.

What we are seeing is that evolutionary natural selection theory being put to the test, and Kite manufacturers seeing that the F-ones really do perform, and that design being proven over again by the Wipika Indy, then Matrix and Vegas.

Bows will be seen as an evolutionary mutation that fitted into a temporary niche, then had to quickly readapt into the enviroment of real performance, thus defining the new age term "Hybrid".





Rubish!

Kites are coming out with curved tips because thats what Crossbows have!

The Crossbow defines the term "Revolutionary"

Some of thje copiers call themselves "hybrids"
They just cant admit to being behind !




More RubBish - As mentioned, Flexi were the first out there with the curved tips long before you were even trying to ride a board smaller than a 168. There isn't really anything revolutionary about any of the stuff out there anyway - it is just using and abusing technology and design that land-kiting has been using since year dot. Still trying to understand the massive defensive attitude towards bow kites. Either you like them or don't. Get over it.
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
28 Jun 2006 2:13pm
In Bruno's own words,the Crossbow is the closest to his design.

The Crossbow redefined the way a kite looks and works.

Ral Inn, you have already had your "experience"
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
28 Jun 2006 4:44pm
About time some excitement in the forum.

I'm glad User agrees with me. The Crossbow is close to bruno's design. That happens when you buy a design then go and manufacture it. Then spend up big marketing it.

You need to give bruno the credit, not the copiers of his design.

Give Cabrinha credit for brave product line decisions, and a very effective marketing campaign.

And the "experience" I have had. would that be having flown the following 06 kites.
9.11,13m Impact, 9,13,15m Tribal, 12m Nova, 12m Crossbow, 12m Switchblade, 13.5m Matrix, 14m Vegas, 12m waroo, 12m SSTD, 11m GK Sonic, LF M80 12m, 19m PL Venom(not real sure it was 06).

i hoping I will not have to do this everytime I have to choose which kite I like best.
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
28 Jun 2006 3:21pm
I meant you and your kite against crossbows!

Didnt you like totally kook out ,and have to get rescued?
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
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28 Jun 2006 5:10pm
The incident you are eluding too is probably not on subject.

I was unaware I was in a me V's crossbow comp.
The wind was strong, but I was only at half depower.
The gust has been estimated at mid 40kts by Doll's point locals.
It hit me just as I had Popped a little Gayley.
I got bit big time, which can happen with a 13.5m in a 40kt gust.
Do I think I would have faired better with a 12m C/bow? NO.

I got some assistance from a kiter for which I was grateful.
It was futile trying to drag back in so I used the self rescue handles and got to within swim distance of shore.
I was not the only one. And I did learn some valuable lessons about the fact that transfering the knowledge of one areas conditions to another need to be done much more cautiously.

Now tell me how this relates to the subject at hand.
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
WA, 1802 posts
28 Jun 2006 3:47pm
This wasn't meant to be a bow sledging post, all though the figures may happen to add up, well.... why not

.. its now obvious that the next kiting revolution is about to take off...

bow kites have been and are now old news,
no-one wants to have to deal with bridle tangles, ceased or tangled pulleys up there or anywhere else on the bar and lines setup

enter the 07 models of which almost every major manufacturer has stepped up their lineups with a curved tip c-model, just as in 06 /07 most manufacturers started producing a bow or similar bridled&pulley kite.

they have all the benifits of a normal c kite but with faster turning, far better unhooked performance with no tip flaring, awesome depower and a larger wind range, aswell as retaining the direct kite pull without the hassles associated with bridles or pulleys...

well worth a try if you like the feel of a c shape but havn't ridden one with curved tips yet.
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
28 Jun 2006 4:40pm
quote:
Originally posted by RAL INN

The incident you are eluding too is probably not on subject.

I was unaware I was in a me V's crossbow comp.
The wind was strong, but I was only at half depower.
The gust has been estimated at mid 40kts by Doll's point locals.
It hit me just as I had Popped a little Gayley.
I got bit big time, which can happen with a 13.5m in a 40kt gust.
Do I think I would have faired better with a 12m C/bow? NO.

I got some assistance from a kiter for which I was grateful.
It was futile trying to drag back in so I used the self rescue handles and got to within swim distance of shore.
I was not the only one. And I did learn some valuable lessons about the fact that transfering the knowledge of one areas conditions to another need to be done much more cautiously.

Now tell me how this relates to the subject at hand.



Prolly a kiter on a Crossbow!
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
28 Jun 2006 4:42pm
quote:
Originally posted by dachopper

This wasn't meant to be a bow sledging post, all though the figures may happen to add up, well.... why not

.. its now obvious that the next kiting revolution is about to take off...

bow kites have been and are now old news,
no-one wants to have to deal with bridle tangles, ceased or tangled pulleys up there or anywhere else on the bar and lines setup

enter the 07 models of which almost every major manufacturer has stepped up their lineups with a curved tip c-model, just as in 06 /07 most manufacturers started producing a bow or similar bridled&pulley kite.

they have all the benifits of a normal c kite but with faster turning, far better unhooked performance with no tip flaring, awesome depower and a larger wind range, aswell as retaining the direct kite pull without the hassles associated with bridles or pulleys...

well worth a try if you like the feel of a c shape but havn't ridden one with curved tips yet.



Why bother with that?

Just get a Bow! They are tried and proven!

There are no hasles with bridles and pulleys!
Only in the minds of bow bashers that write on kite Forums!
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