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Tonewolf
Tonewolf
382 posts
382 posts
6 Jul 2007 5:33pm
You've got way too much time on yer hands guys!!!!

I've just come back from China...and to be fatalistic, it doesn't make a spit of difference what any of us do.....the chinese are gonna stuff the whole world with their emissions alone!!! They don't give a rats arse about climate control.
So drink, fart, spit, swear, pollute, anything goes...we won't make any difference in the whole scheme of things. those of you who think otherwise should smell what you're shovelling! cause it ain't pretty!
That should get ya going again guys..

Bite me!

getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
6 Jul 2007 5:45pm
Don't like the topic - don't read it then?? And certainly don't bother to add to it - you'd be wasting more of your precious time.

It is not exactly a frivilous topic.

Fair call though, prob best for the general section but can't move it now (not that I began this thread, but I did inadvertantly hijack it - sorry Mr Float)

Hey Pat I just re-read your earlier Q?

quote:
I just thought I'd pop the question: are you counting me and my Hilux in that?


Ha ha, I hope you were kidding?? It would take a world class optimist (with rather bad eyesight) to class your mobile as a posuer chariot!!

No offence Pat but I've had a limo ride in your bus and if you car was in the beauty pageant, it would get the coaches award! It is obviously a real 4wd and not afraid of a bit of dirt, sand and other suspect crunchy stuff underfoot.. You'd possibly get linched, by an angry machiato fuelled mob, if you tried a run down the Claremont cafe strip...

I actually do think that bullies are suss unless your out of the city at least once a week. Having personally bounced off a sedan's bonnet in the past (and thankful for the impact absorbtion of a standard bonnet - not a bullie) I may have a selfish ax to grind but there ya are.

The scene: Me on motorbike - my oponent, a student with no money left to fix brakes after beer money. He comes through a red light - BAMMO - slow-mo cam of me slamming onto his 74 Corona bonnet, then a graceful (everything is in slow-mo cam) arch across the night sky onto the awaiting bitumen... Good thing he wasn't a rich kid in his new SUV or piloting in mom's soccer bus I can tell you matteee

A quick consumer survey...Who out there drives around with their bicycle rack on 24/7?? No, you take it off until you need it right? Well... why not the same for bullies? If you drive in the city for 3 months in between country journeys or track burning (no not you Pat, but most likely 80% of 4wd owners) why not take the bugger off?? Should be law I reckon...


Kaching... and that is your 8c for the day.


Here's a thought... I hope everyone gets a good kite this weekend

Had my 1st kite in 3 months this week - the badly twisted foot was worth it!!
Blownaway
Blownaway
QLD
776 posts
QLD, 776 posts
6 Jul 2007 9:14pm
Naa just learn to drive an maybe make it that you have to have a truck licence for 4 wheel drives over a certan weight cause most ladies think they are driving a car.
I have always owned 4wds and to take my bull bar off is just not practical.

Troopy Landcriser number 3 the perfect kite surf expedition machines oh what a feeling,take the fam the kitchen sink and the dog an all the toys up the beach
jjd
jjd
WA
705 posts
jjd jjd
WA, 705 posts
6 Jul 2007 7:36pm
"Me on motorbike"
Now it makes sense - we have a temporary Australian.
In the same category as Havox.
wdric
wdric
NSW
1625 posts
NSW, 1625 posts
6 Jul 2007 10:43pm
quote:
Originally posted by getfunky
quote:
By Wdric:
I bet you would luv to be the proud owner of a Toyota Prius or something like that

Yep I would like a Prius or similar as it suits my needs



Then have a read of this, you may change your mind and buy a jeep.
http://www.usedcarsalesman.com/usedcarsalesman/2006/12/index.html
cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/

Yes I am a bit bias & I do drive a Pajero, when I can get the wife out of it.
It has leather seats to! And a fridge.

And yes my wife keeps it shinny and looking new all the time and washes it at least once a week. Which of coarse is when most people will see it on the road.

But unfortunately some people don't have the ability to think outside the square and think the majority of 4wd owners drive "spotless posuer chariots".

Checkout strongbow's pics, bet you would rather be there with the family and your kite gear than were you are now.

As you point out, things can be a mater of perspective.
"Then you have the issue of prangs. If you try to do the rightly and drive a standard height car or hatchy and are hit by a 4wd (statistically more likely that the 4wd is at fault) you are ten shades of up sh1t creek!"
What if you are trying even harder to do the rightly and walk the kids to the local public school and get hit by a P plater in a little hatchy who doesn't no what school zones are, I think you would be up the same creek.
I also know a guy drove into the back of a parked vehicle on the side of the road. His wife is dead and he is in a bad way for the rest of his life. He was driving a landcruiser and run into a truck! Is this also the same creek!
I also had a mate hit a dog while riding his bike to work when he was an apprentice, he was also in the same patch of water and had six weeks off work while his legs were in plaster.

" but how about the positioning of there nice shiny inflexible bumpers being at head height!" Are you a dwarf or a salesman? you will not buy a new 4wd as you describe, especially the ones you mention. That roo we hit out the back of Burke sure thought it was a flexible bumper, I had to take the inner guard off and knock it back out about 200mm, not that the roo felt any better about it the next day.
"Side on you will be lucky to become a new paint job on their bonnet." Would this be anything like having a commodore put your head through the windscreen as your legs are broken in half and taken out from under you.


In the last twelve months we have used our preferred mode of transport to:
*Take 6 kids to the pictures (saves using 2 cars)
*Take my 88 yr old grandma out for drives with the family in the same car, (she can't drive and we wouldn't all fit in a "standard car"). And the height of the vehicle seating is perfect for the elderly with bad backs and arthritis as they get in and out of the vehicle.
*Get to work to see the damage with the recent flooding (A little hatchy would have floated away).
*Travelled to the snowfields with the family (saved on the hire of snow chains & didn't have to fit them in the freezing cold).
*Legally tow a car float to help a mate pickup his broken down 4cyl sedan.


Then occasionally we put it into 4wd and:
*We have travelled through the Simpson Desert and camped on a huge salt lake under the stars with my two daughters and seen the night sky as you will never see in a city.
*Travelled to ground zero in remote South Australia
*Visited the tri state boarder intersections for WA/NT/SA & NT/SA/QLD & NSW/QLD/SA
*Travelled to remote communities (I did see falcons here)
*Travelled to the geographical centre of Australia.
*Seen huge creators formed by meteorites the size of a 44 gal drum.
*Travelled to Tom Grogan in the high country were the legend of the man from snowy river was made.
*Travelled to the resting place of Burke & Wills
*Visited a cave where Lasseter spent his last dying days (lasseter's reef fame)
*Visited Giles Meteorological station and learnt a bit more about the weather ( and tried to see if we will get more wind)
*Experienced with the kids a herd of about 100 camels in the wild.
*Travelled for 5 days & about 3000km and didn't see a traffic light (how good is that)
*Enjoyed a drive along Stockton beach and witnessed more damage to the beach done be one weekend of storms than any 4x4's have done in the last 10 years.
*Had the wife follow on a couple of downwinders

Next time you see a shinny 4wd don't assume the worst, you will never know what they were doing yesterday or what they will be doing tomorrow.

If you have a family you would may benefit by the diversity a vehicle with more capabilities can offer, I bet you would like one new kite that would do all the things two old ones will do, go and take a new diesel dual cab ute for a test drive, you might just be surprised by the level of driving comfort, the safety features, it will most likely handle better, stop better than your little hatchy, and may even use about the same amount of fuel. They are getting better with every new model, They are not what they used to be.

Yes I do agree with you that we need to look after the world we live in, and that a lot of 4wd's are used for shopping trolleys, but as you will never own one and venture of the main roads you will only ever see them on tare roads and in cities so you will naturally only ever see one side of the argument.
Could you image for a moment that this same argument probably took place in the early 1900's between the blacksmiths & horse riders Vs the rich people in town that could afford the luxury of a motorised carriage.

ric
Tonewolf
Tonewolf
382 posts
382 posts
6 Jul 2007 8:50pm
lets just rant and rave now for the hell of it..

bite me!
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
7 Jul 2007 9:38am
bow kites are so gay
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
7 Jul 2007 9:00am
... bow kites are more environmentally friendly, c kites are not unless they are two line... even though bow kites have 4 lines because of greater efficiency due to the larger scope of wind speeds means its a much more efficient design using less emissions and carbon footprint per the amount of kite surfer quiver needed and hence manufactured. but if a c kite is using two lines then that saves on using the extra lines so there is a small reduction in the carbon footprint of a two line c kite - besides 4 line c kites are for wana be tough boys who cant afford a penis extension. Go back to 2 line c or fly a bow - it’s the only way we will save our environment.

I have hamsters in the backyard running on the treadmill to produce all my electricity so unlike some of you I didn’t waste precious resources to write my dribble.
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
7 Jul 2007 1:04pm
quote:
Originally posted by cwamit
I have hamsters in the backyard running on the treadmill to produce all my electricity so unlike some of you I didn’t waste precious resources to write my dribble.



There are many successful forms of energy that can be exploited like this. If only others were as environmentally friendly as you are. I'd like to see every household filled with hamsters like the gay community has.

another theory I believe would be suitable to help run the train system in this country is the following:

Subject: Perpetual Motion

When a cat is dropped, it always lands on its feet, and when toast is dropped, it always lands buttered side down.

Therefore, if a slice of toast is strapped to a cat's back, buttered side up, and the animal is then dropped, the two opposing forces will cause it to hover, spinning inches above the ground.

If enough toast-laden felines were used, they could form the basis of a high-speed monorail system.
jquigley
jquigley
WA
205 posts
WA, 205 posts
7 Jul 2007 1:02pm
That's a cracker of an idea.

Finally 'Murphy's Law' and cats can be put to good use.
Tonewolf
Tonewolf
382 posts
382 posts
8 Jul 2007 7:44pm
and you can eat the cats after they've worn out their usefull life.

bite me!
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
8 Jul 2007 9:50pm
You guys crack me up
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
9 Jul 2007 2:21pm
Ok lets try this again... As i said multiple times earlier, if you USE the 4wd for 4wdriving etc etc etc then all is good.

wdric you have made an extremely good case for owning a 4wd - or in most examples maybe a peoplemover. Fffft ffft rowrrr reeaaarrr (the cat in the pigeons). Lets be really honest though, most 4wds - and I would guess around the 80% here in Perth - never, ever, see a speck of dirt, carry more than 4 people (usually only 2-3) or tow. the day before they were just as shiny and wasteful I am positive.

http://www.usedcarsalesman.com/usedcarsalesman/2006/12/index.html
cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/

Bollocks, that is definately statistical abuse (excactly who is this CNW research company and which petroleum/car manufacturer commisions them??) and ignores the reality that any new technology (such as hybrids etc) will have a lag initialy as the technology is refined and made both more affordable to produce therefore buy. No-one expected the model T to be winning Le Mans did they?

What do we do, say "Awww too hard to try sumpin new, lets just keep burning coal and petroleum, it's heaps easier"??

As for removing the bumpers, of course I realise it's not a doddle. Make it law and bingo demand feeds supply (such is the sweetness of our capitalist society). Almost overnight someone will develop and market a user friendly attachment point for bumpers. The will or desire for the product has to be there though.

As I have suggested, my experience of most 4wdrivers, is that they are completely selfish and unburdoned with care for anyone but themselves unfortuantely. Unfortunate for those they run into as well. Lucky the bloke who hit the parked car didn't take an entire family in a Prius out as well. That is obviously a sad story but could have been tragic for an dozens of others also.


Oh BTW "me used to be on motorbike" but there is far too many idiots on the road. Like the boofhead student who after cleaning me up due to failed brakes said "I spose I might have to get them fixed now"... um gee.. do ya think really?? Sure you don't want to go overboard on expenditure here???

Having driven in most states of Oz and abroad, Perth has the most ill-educated, selfish and territorial drivers around...[}:)]


quote:
When a cat is dropped, it always lands on its feet, and when toast is dropped, it always lands buttered side down.

Therefore, if a slice of toast is strapped to a cat's back, buttered side up, and the animal is then dropped, the two opposing forces will cause it to hover, spinning inches above the ground.




Might go and strap these onto my hatchy right now...
jquigley
jquigley
WA
205 posts
WA, 205 posts
9 Jul 2007 3:53pm
quote:
and you can eat the cats after they've worn out their usefull life.

bite me!


Useful Lives!!!!

It just gets better and better.





cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
9 Jul 2007 7:57pm
quote:
Originally posted by Saffer


There are many successful forms of energy that can be exploited like this. If only others were as environmentally friendly as you are. I'd like to see every household filled with hamsters like the gay community has.




Good thing I had a spare diaper to wipe the mochalate off my computer screen.
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