how to get more women kiting?

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Uber
Uber
NSW
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4 Apr 2006 10:57am
Wow! Lynita, Hit a nerve did I? Chill a little.

My comments are from girls themselves about the sport. I appologise if you find it offensive but that is what some other girls think/say about the sport. The attitude comes from girls and not me personally. I think your looking at the comments as a one sided view.

Snowboarding is easier by far to get into than kiting. All you need is a board and some clothes. All you have to worry about is your board skills and not hitting anyone.

We have a few girls at my local spot and I am friends with them all. They are way more skilled than I am and I respect them highly. If you give them some stick they will fling it right back atcha.

It would be great to have more girls into the sport. I support it totally. However it takes a certain kind of girl to take on the sport. I am not arguing with you, I am just stating some views that have been told to me from girls.

Nice analysis of my comments! Hope you get some wind! Go Girls

stnkygoat
stnkygoat
NSW
230 posts
NSW, 230 posts
4 Apr 2006 11:01am
By the way, if someone from Cadbury's is out there....I would like to be sponsored please. PLEASE. (It is probably my greatest kiteboarding expense)
poor relative
poor relative
WA
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4 Apr 2006 9:53am
I agree Stnky. I need new clothes, shoes and a man bag.
robbo
robbo
WA
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4 Apr 2006 12:59pm
hmmm Uber:

you are right: It takes a certain type of person to take up kiting.
So many friends of mine say they'd like to try, so you tell them why they should do lessons (inherent dangers) and they just say nup, on second thoughts, ill just watch.

I guess the question is what makes someone say yeah!!, or someone say nah, rather than why a chick says yes or no.

I got my wife into it by buying her a new kite (red not blue) / harness (red) / etc etc
I make sure she only kites in the lightest of winds while learning and have ensured she had a few lessons.
Now i just need to get her a funky board instead of the boat shes learning on... and she'll be hooked.
Its all very selfish really - now she'll get out there with me - woo hoo!

robbo.

Lynita
Lynita
QLD
60 posts
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4 Apr 2006 3:01pm
Hey Uber,

I'm doing my best to get more girls into the sport, like offering cheaper kite lessons to women and running womens only 'learn to kite' days in conjunction with Brisbane City Council. (The last one totally sold out.)

It does take a certain 'type' of girl to be into kiting, I definately agree, but it also takes a certain 'type' of guy to be into it too. It's just that the percentage of girls that are that 'type' are less than the percentage of guys of that 'type'. Usually kiter 'types' aren't jet ski 'types'. It's all about your mentality.

Anyway, it's my prediction that you'll see more girls in the future, there's something about seeing a another girl do something that inspires girls. If there is a kiter chick doing something I can't, it pushes me to try it, seeing a guy do it doesn't quite as much.

So whatever our motivations for wanting more chicks in kiting, at least we all agree we want more.

Happy kitin ya'll
silviu
silviu
VIC
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4 Apr 2006 4:13pm
Good work Lynita, keep doing it, it is good to know you are there.
Missy
Missy
WA
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4 Apr 2006 4:26pm
What about kitesurfing would attract the typical chick? The chicks that want to shop or have coffee with friends or go out all night drinking and sleep the weekend away. (Nothing wrong with that)

Most chicks are not athletic at all; we were really only food preparers and child bearers once upon a time. I can also see how some chicks think they can’t find the time to spend all weekend in the water, with working full time and having to maintain a house and some may have kids.

I agree with Uber reasons and I can see most girls giving me at least one of them if I did a survey.

You are not going to be able to make a chick kite! She needs to want to do it! The chicks that are going to kite, will make an effort without being forced.

Us kite chicks are a special bred! And should be showered with gifts and praise... even if that jump I did was 2 feet high

All we can do is make sure there is information and contacts out there for the chicks that want to learn.
stnkygoat
stnkygoat
NSW
230 posts
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4 Apr 2006 6:53pm
When I lived in NZ we had a little group - 3 of us girls who used to all live in the same block and go kiting together all the time. We were all the same size so needed the same conditions and we went on a few trips together too. And I sometimes see groups of girls out together for a surf here in newcastle. I think this is the future of girls kiting. Doing it because your partner does it is not a durable arrangement for the expansion of women's kiting -mainly cos someone has to bring them cups of tea when they break their ribs, or look after the kids while they ride. That's right! It appears that your arms and legs still work after you have a baby! Outrageous!


Also, I don't know about saying that most women are either mothers or getting pissed and sleeping all weekend. There is some middle ground - women who have jobs and interests, and importantly, earn enough to buy expensive kiting equipment. Many of the women who attended the women's kiteboarding clinic in sydney a couple of months ago were in the 25-35 age group and many had been into other sports too - surfing was a popular favourite.

I agree with Missy when she says that you can't push people into it. I got pushed into kiting and I HATED IT. Different story now though...
kusu
kusu
QLD
485 posts
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4 Apr 2006 6:56pm
If there are enough interested parties I would like top give a 50% off
deal on a brand new 12m Best Waroo in "pink and Grey" as an encouragement for any new female kiter out there ready for a new kite and wanting an easy and forgiving kite at the top of it's class.

Tell us in 50 words or less what got you interested in kiting and how
your experiences have been to date.

I'll let it go for a couple of weeks and announce the winner here.
You can email it to me or post it up here. I will be passing it on to all girl kiters I know, have taught or are learning at the moment.

Good luck!
Kurt
silviu
silviu
VIC
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4 Apr 2006 7:02pm
Very generous offer Kurt!
Good on you, I may start be sorry that I am .... no, no, no, that's OK.
That's a dangerous path, I better keep quiet
elizabethb
elizabethb
QLD
2081 posts
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4 Apr 2006 7:07pm
quote:
Originally posted by Missy

Us kite chicks are a special bred! And should be showered with gifts and praise... even if that jump I did was 2 feet high


Super congrats Missy Going strong by the sounds of things Go hard, go strong, and please let it be winndddyyyyy lol jj

Couldn't agree more with the first part of what you said above...

Top idea Kurt... I hope this helps to encourage more chicks either into kiting, or also, onto this forum
silviu
silviu
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4 Apr 2006 7:14pm
Hey Elizabethb

You girls (for some reason I dont quite like the word ch...), have all my admiration and support.
And Missy, if the jump was only 2ft, next one may be higher, so keep trying "girl". That's the spirit!!!
And about the colour, one of my kite is... RED. So what, red kites fly FAST, and give some colour to the sport!!
elizabethb
elizabethb
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4 Apr 2006 7:35pm
quote:
Originally posted by silviu

Hey Elizabethb

You girls (for some reason I dont quite like the word ch...), have all my admiration and support.
And Missy, if the jump was only 2ft, next one may be higher, so keep trying "girl". That's the spirit!!!
And about the colour, one of my kite is... RED. So what, red kites fly FAST, and give some colour to the sport!!




Silviu ... You sound like the perfect man then lol
silviu
silviu
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4 Apr 2006 8:38pm
Thanks Elisabeth.
My wife thought the same, many, many...many moons ago when we got married.
However, from the day I started kitesurfing, for some unknown reasons she changed her mind
silviu
silviu
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4 Apr 2006 9:02pm
Well done Gruezy.
I could not get my son to kitesurf, but he turn me to cylcing
(at least we have something in common).
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
4 Apr 2006 9:04pm
1. Girls - Take up too much kiting time and kite money.

2. Social life - talking to middle aged blokes about kites is social enough for me

3. School work - LoL

4. Earning money - As above

5. I'd rather be somewhere else, rather than wait around for the wind. - I would rather be no where else.


Guess guys are quite a bit different.


although saying that, kiting does require quite alot of f*cking around for little or no return, even when you can actually ride properly like today. 1hr drive, 1hr setting up (screwing around with gear), 5mins of kiting, 40min swim in, 30mins of rescuing someone, 1hr of walking back and packing up, 30min drive home.

But god, those 5mins were bloody gold.
Mr Plow
Mr Plow
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5 Apr 2006 7:55am
Gruezi - you're talking some sense there

A girl with "boy scout" leanings used to (maybe still is) called a tomboy.

In my experiences with physical activities such as white water rafting, hiking, rock climbing, surfing, kiting - the girls attracted to this have almost all had this tomboyish angle.

And you gotta love 'em



azza
azza
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1338 posts
5 Apr 2006 6:44am
I love Tomboys; you can tell who much they like you by the colour of your bruises.
stnkygoat
stnkygoat
NSW
230 posts
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5 Apr 2006 9:18am
quote:
Originally posted by gruezi

1. Being a "boy scout"...this is a gear intensive sport. It takes a certain type of brain, I call it the "boy scout brain." A brain that likes to know how and why things work.

Ok I feel like I am in the 1950's. I am interested in how things work, and inferring that women don't have the brain for understanding how things work results in more girls stranded on the side of road wondering if a clutch might in fact be more than an entertaining dance move. Also, what about all those men with techie brains who hate going outside - without these people the internet may never have ever happened, not to mention playstation?

2. Going to beaches that are crowded with middle aged men boy scouts reliving their childhood....and many of whom are ADD.

Yes but we can live with it.

3. Not having any "fun" for a while...spending countless hours walking, being tired, waiting for the right wind, and overall really not being sure of what you are doing. Having to ask for help, etc. etc.

Hello? We are the ones who end up getting pregnant and having the babies - you think waiting ages for wind is bad, those babies take 9 months to cook.

4. Time & Money. Regardless of what people think, this sport requires time and committment before you are happening.

We could have more money if only we could get those high paying technological jobs that our silly womens' brains preclude us from. Bugger.

I believe it is the rare exception where women really can learn from men as this is still a male dominated sport.

I don't really see this as such an issue - we learnt how to do other things from men, like voting and bombing stuff (Ms. Condi Rice)and seem to have got the hang of it.

Finally, my daughter is a kiter, but when asked why she does it...has said "because my dad keeps buying me all this gear." Even though not at all addicted, she loves it after a good kite and is becoming a little addicted. However, to get her to the beach is tricky because of even more hurdles:

1. Boys

2. Social life

3. School work

4. Earning money

5. I'de rather be somewhere else, rather than wait around for the wind.

You've got to have your priorities and I'm afraid there are more male "boy scouts" out there than female ones.

Women will take to this sport big time soon.......because today's modern woman want's to become a boy scout.

Not to labour the point but women can do things that were traditionally thought of as men's pursuits without rendering themselves 'less of a woman'. We can do these things on our own terms. When I left school I worked as a mechanic (mostly diesel stuff) for a couple of years, and it drove me crazy that people expected me to be a beer swilling lesbian just because I wore overalls to work. People very quickly get co-opted into stereotypes.




Your daughter may just not be that into the idea of kiting. I have a friend who is a woman and travelled to brazil with her partner to learn. She got the hang of it, and can ride pretty well, go upwind and do some small jumps etc. And; SHE WAS IN BRAZIL! But she doesn't like it, just does not ring her bell. I couldn't believe it and looked for other reasons, (like she was totally insane..how could you not love kiting?)But for some people it just doesn't float their boat.

By the way I think its fantastic you are getting your daughter into kiting, and even if she doesn't end up really pursuing it in the future, she'll always remember that her Dad took such an interest in spending time with her. Dad's rock!
Caelah
Caelah
WA
319 posts
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5 Apr 2006 7:39am
Hey Terrah......nice topic!

Us female chick kiters are rare......I took it up after seeing it a couple of times over a 3 year period and eventually decided to do something about my fascination with the sport and wanting to try something that looked very cool. However, I come from a background where I love off road mountainbiking, motorbikes, rockclimbing, wakeboarding and anything active - that's what I did as a child........never had an interest in Barbie or doing girly things....I was your typical tomboy daddy's girl. From talking with other extreme sports chicks who started off their own back, we all had active sporty childhoods.

I suppose if you want a solid answer, the main one I come acrross over and over again is that people think it's hard on your upper body. For example, I was at the beach last Sunday packing my gear up when two cyclists went past, I briefly heard them chatting about the kiting and the guy said "you'd have to have strong upper body strength to do that". Now if he thinks that, his partner is going to be put off straight away as they feel they won't be able to do it.

Terrah, we both know how hard it is to keep chicks who aren't naturally drawn to the sport interested. The only way to get women into the sport is to keep holding organised days for all standards from beginner to advanced. Provide contacts and a chick community and make sure you stay in touch with the girls with what's going on, introduce them to the guys at the beach so they feel comfortable around them. It's a huge committment and we will spend a lot of time coercing the girls to get out at weekends and wait for the wind! We now have 40 chicks in NSW on our contacts list and I try to keep in touch with them at least once a fortnight.

More women are coming into the sport every year, it will grow but as quickly as the male side. We need to be patient and keep actively supporting girls wanting to try the sport.

Maybe it comes down to the fact that as men get older their toys just get bigger and more expensive.....their inner child is still allowed freedom where women may chose to suppress it. Who knows but Uber is right....it takes a certain kind of girl to get into the sport off her own back.

BTW it sucks that the westerly's have started........why doesn't that happen when the easterly's are meant to kick in.
chezza
chezza
WA
4 posts
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5 Apr 2006 8:34am
I know the reason that I never tried it is because it just looked too hard. I'm not really a sports-type person, was never into mountain biking or rock climbing, etc.

So I'd go and sit on the beach when everyone else was riding, and I was quite happy doing it because I was with someone that was learning and that did NOT look fun...

Then I was in Kitepower one day, and one of the instructors started talking to me, and he told me that girls learn easier than guys as we really listen to the theory first rather than just wanting to get out there are trying jumps, and I should give it a try...

It got me interested, I had my first lesson a few weeks later and I was hooked from there on it.

The big hook for me was him explaining the different ways that girls learn things vs guys. It really got my attention as I know that's the way I learn, I need to know every piece of theory before I even touch the kite, and I read all the books about it before I did my lesson.

I know that whenever I talk to people about it, all the girls say "It looks so hard" and then when I tell them that it's not as hard as it looks, they get interested and want to know more...

I don't really know the way around it, except to get more girls out there. I was body-dragging in Broulee a few months ago, and was walking back up the beach and a girl came up to me and started asking lots of questions because I was the first girl she'd seen with a kite. Her boyfriend was learning and she said she wasn't really that interested, but now that she'd seen a girl doing it she realised that she might like to try it too... I thought that was pretty cool...



kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
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5 Apr 2006 9:03am
My girlfriend took it up because she was sick of watching me! I am absolutely stoked that she is interested in it but for some reason she still needss me to pump her kite up and lay out the lines. She has progressed much further in 4 hours than I had in 1 month...actually standing on the board and somewhat planing (be it only 10m). She has a grin from ear to ear when landing back on the beach which is awesome to see.
The biggest downside is sharing kites...she needs her own kit!

How to get more girls into kiting? Get rid of the show ponies...the ones on par with the gym **** that try to impress the ladies by flexing in front of the mirror. These are the guys that jump over girls learning how to surf at brighton and doing pathetic little spins trying to show off.
Also, less crowded beaches!

brucex
brucex
QLD
701 posts
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5 Apr 2006 11:19am
why encourage girls to kite...
who are we going to get to go and get our lunch and buy us beer and pack up our gear and mind our dog????
nonikkers
nonikkers
WA
221 posts
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5 Apr 2006 9:31am
well for me it all started on a fine summers day in lancelin

nonikkers: can i have a turn
milehigh: um do i have a choice

she puts on an oversized seat harness, adjusts EVERY strap to try and make it fit

milehigh: hey mate do you mind giving us a launch (guy launches 10m kite)

milehigh: (hangs on the the strap on the back of the harness)Up the kite goes
nonikkers: (scream scream scream)

he instructs on how to dive the from 9 through to 3
she realises how fun it is to get yanked out of the water with boyfriend hanging on
for her it becomes a novelty diving the kite side to side trying desperatley to lose her boyfriend
but NO he hangs on there is no way he is leaving his kite in the hands of this woman
end up as far downwind as she can possible get
she has sore ribs
he has blisters
the sight of the seaweed on the shore makes her panic so he carries her to the good sand (the kite has now crashed on the beach )
he does this all with a smile on his face
nonikkers: wow that was fun
milehigh: um yeah
anyway, my bf eased me into it let me have a go here and there.
then i developed the whats his is mine policy and before i knew it he got me a kite for christmas...
woo hoo now im addicted to it

everytime i go out my bf encourages me to try at least one thing

love = kiting = boyfriend = kiting = love

hey when i first started i was a girly girl begging reg at windurfing perth to find me a pink harness and kite... what a phase that was... thank god im over that one

all my gf's prefer to shop and look perfect, they no longer recognise me... but who cares i have the biggest smile

it would be great to have a few females to chat to at the beach though

girls love to talk... guys can just about talk us into anything!!!

AND

next time there are demo days it would be great if they had smaller kites to demo for women(!!!) eveytime i have been to one they always have huge 12m kites and i just have to stand there and watch everyone else whilst being told that i cant have a go coz id get blown away







Flying Bat
Flying Bat
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5 Apr 2006 11:51am
I've tried to get my friends into kiting, but no luck so far It's not all bad though, cos on those cold Melb winter days, you know those days where you turn blue...they wave from their beachfront window and tell me how many mins till the muffins are coming out of the oven....YEAH! After hours of kiting they greet me with HOT muffins (Choc chip)and coffee. Now see, if they had got into kiting who would be bringing me coffee????

Cheers

Flying Bat

tWp
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5 Apr 2006 3:33pm
quote:
1) boyfriend has tried to teach them, and not taken proper precautions, girl gets lofted and freaked out. She may want to try again, but really are scared now (so yes fear does have an impact, after a scare)


How do I get around this.? It happened pretty much exactly as written.

Note - I'm learning as well. So I wasn't teaching her. We got some lessons.(4 each) (Had a few more cancelled and still have a couple owing us)

She is good at flying the kite. damn good. I sucked in my lessons - but it did give me waay more practise at re-launching (as I'd crash it every 5 min).

So a month or so later - we're at the beach. Figure we'd try and practise a self-launch we'd seen a guy do the week before. (Had done it once in a lesson). The kite caught a gust - flipped and pulled her away from me. (Yes she was hooked in. That's what we were taught. Can someone clarify if that was right or wrong?) Dragged her most of the way accross the beach. Ended about 50cm from a concrete pole. in a heap and shivering. We tried to walk her out (away from the carpark) to lower the kite. (didn't quite get there and the kite slammed down into the carpark.)
She's determined to never ever ever touch a kite again. And doesn't really want me going out either.

We haven't been kiting since (2 months). (it's been a hectic couple of months - getting married, moving house, new jobs, etc) And it looks like it's about the end of the season now (melb).

***********************

Any body have any suggestions on what a good next step would be?
stnkygoat
stnkygoat
NSW
230 posts
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5 Apr 2006 5:21pm
Find somewhere with nothing downwind except water or sand. Preferably water. This might mean going somewhere else - maybe even a long drive. Take a tent. But find somewhere better than upwind of a carpark. Then go out on a LIGHT wind day and practice putting the kite up. Then when you crash it, (and there's a good chance you will) you won't ** yourselves. Simple.
silviu
silviu
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5 Apr 2006 5:24pm
quote:
Originally posted by tWp

quote:
1) boyfriend has tried to teach them, and not taken proper precautions, girl gets lofted and freaked out. She may want to try again, but really are scared now (so yes fear does have an impact, after a scare)


How do I get around this.? It happened pretty much exactly as written.

Note - I'm learning as well. So I wasn't teaching her. We got some lessons.(4 each) (Had a few more cancelled and still have a couple owing us)

She is good at flying the kite. damn good. I sucked in my lessons - but it did give me waay more practise at re-launching (as I'd crash it every 5 min).

So a month or so later - we're at the beach. Figure we'd try and practise a self-launch we'd seen a guy do the week before. (Had done it once in a lesson). The kite caught a gust - flipped and pulled her away from me. (Yes she was hooked in. That's what we were taught. Can someone clarify if that was right or wrong?) Dragged her most of the way accross the beach. Ended about 50cm from a concrete pole. in a heap and shivering. We tried to walk her out (away from the carpark) to lower the kite. (didn't quite get there and the kite slammed down into the carpark.)
She's determined to never ever ever touch a kite again. And doesn't really want me going out either.

We haven't been kiting since (2 months). (it's been a hectic couple of months - getting married, moving house, new jobs, etc) And it looks like it's about the end of the season now (melb).

***********************

Any body have any suggestions on what a good next step would be?



Wait a little bit, than get some lessons with a good instructor, to take you guys easy step by step to the point you were begfore all this happened.
It may work.
Good luck
malfi66
malfi66
QLD
181 posts
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5 Apr 2006 9:01pm
I'm going to get a sex change and go in that competition for the 12m Waroo - woohooo!!!
VB MAN
VB MAN
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5 Apr 2006 8:46pm
Puppet,
Is that a pink harness I see...

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=1544

PS Don't you know red and pink clash?
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