so lame just delete this topic now. dont even ask. unless ur like me and like to watch people argue over stupid a****.

No,the argueing started BEFORE the contest !

Why would you have judges that dont even kite ????

The whole contest scene has turned into a joke !

One group goes to one end of the country to pretend they are surfing,the other group goes to the other end to pretend to wakeboard !WTF !

It could be a good idea to have a surfer judging a wave contest. Not all the judges but having one amoungst them looking at 1 aspect.

I am on the side that there need to be different category's for strapped and unstrapped.

Every surf contest ever run has controversial descisions. Years ago surfing contests suffered heavily from the same fate with parents and the surfers themselves left on the beach to do the judging. The national body embarked on a program of training judges, who became accredited and could receive payment for judging. The judging criteria, over the years, evolved to reward more critical moves on bigger waves rather than length of ride. (the "more critical" phrase could likewise apply to those strapless)All of this is good model model for AKSA to follow. I sympathise with anyone involved in organising any event. It's a thankless task dealing alot of the time with egotistical ****ers. In an ideal world it would be all trained kiters judging, but in the meantime surfers that have a basic knowledge of aerial moves, are the next best option available. After all, they're judging the surfing not the kite movement. This thread reminds me how much I hate contests. Long live the SOUL KITER, pulling the big moves in wretched conditions with no one on the beach!

Hi,

I would rather a surfer judging me than Stephen McCormack. Anyone who rode a twin-tip, did one turn on the on the wave on the way out, hooked in, whilst performing a bottom-cleaning enema and who rode a bow kite from his store would win.

Besides which:
Would the kitesurfer judge the wave riding any different to a surfer? Would he/she be looking at the kite, whether it be freestyle or wave riding, instead of the man/woman on the board? No. It's the man/woman on the board and what he/she is doing with the elements, in this case, the wave.

Move on Stephen.
Times-a-changin'.
I cringe at the concencus of some that you represent the sport.

Regards,
Phil

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[i]Originally posted by fences

I would rather a surfer judging me than Stephen McCormack.

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lol.
Let me get this stuff around my head.
Are you saying,
that judges (who are wavekiters) aren't capable of judging other wavekiters in a contest ???
So you need surfers for that highly qualified job ?
Because it is 'surfing' that is being judged ?
Not wavekiting.

OK.
So these surfer-judges who know zero about kiting are really like surf consultants.
Wave gurus.
And of course the kite element in wavekiting is of no significance apparently ?
It's just a stupid thing in the sky flying around casting a shadow over the wavekiter ,
who is pretending he's actually surfing.
hahaha

Wavesailing poleys must be cracking up reading this gayness.

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Originally posted by 4lawn

So how did you place in the comp Coxy ???
Maybe if one of the wannabe's in Aussie Idol was doing a dance routine that was heavily influenced by movement in a boxing title fight They might consider calling in the Man Mundine as a guest judge ...

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Aussie idol involves singing not dancing and last time i looked kitesurfing involved a kite so how can a surfer with no kiting experience judge.could they even spot the difference between a hooked move and a unhooked move?

kite"surfing" is a joke, trying to run a competition for it is even stupider.

it's all about the vibe!!!!

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Originally posted by dave......

.If you notice the best wave guys in the world who are all riding mostly unhooked they grab their trim strap and depower the kite whilst doing bottom/top turns... To Martin Vari, Ben wilson and Jeff tobias who are obviously imputting into this thread, thanks for the info


Not from where i'm standin'
Check the photo......www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=3591
2 lines anyone?
If you're really sure Bows do it better..
See....http://www.broadbandsports.com/node/1282&cb=1 (after the ad!)
Oh all the above is over 4 years ago....

Ooooh..., that progression in this sport isn't progression


My recent thoughts on waves!
Didn't the the guy who's just won the nationals use a foil?

Why can't people just say thanks for putting on an event. If there's something you would like to see changed then politely give the organizers your opinion and the reason why you think that or next year volunteer YOUR time to help out organizing the event.

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Originally posted by user


The whole contest scene has turned into a joke !

One group goes to one end of the country to pretend they are surfing,the other group goes to the other end to pretend to wakeboard !WTF !

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Thats exactly whats going on in kite surfing/boarding today. good one User

Its simple, there should be a plan and set criteria for judging points divided between all facets of wave kiting if you chose to wear staps or not should have no bearing on points ( otherwise have separate comps )
All contestants should be made aware as to how points will be awarded then they can make up their own minds as to ride strapped or not . At this early stage I dont see a problem with one or at most two surfing judges being on the panel as long as the others are kite orientated and they ( the judges ) are able to discuss and teach each other remember we want them all to eventually know what they are doing and be able to judge accordingly and fairly.

On another matter we need to be rather careful promoting this wave kiting caper already our sport is being banned in areas and getting a lot of negative press in some others. Many areas have close knit surfing communities some with serious local clout at council levels. And these same people are the ones who are going to be mighty pissed off when their local is being dominated by kiters ( it only takes one kite/ idiot to really dominate a surf break ) . So far it has not been a huge problem as kiters and surfers have generally not been using the same breaks but now it is becoming a problem. It is no secret that this has been a hot issue in the Byron Bay shire.
I am not saying dont wave kite but I would appeal to those who do to use some common sense and not kite at the popular surfing breaks because in the end we will all suffer.

The above matter was recently discussed with me by a surfer and local member ( shall remain annon but in QLD )who explained their local situation when I mentioned that I was a kiter.

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[i]Originally posted by JB
I found an interesting defination from the USA surfing association rules

D. The judging criteria shall be:
"A surfer must perform radical controlled maneuvers in the critical section of a wave with speed, power and flow to maximize scoring potential.

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lol.
Did the USA Surfing Association mention anything about kites in their rule-book ?
"A surfer must perform radical controlled manoeuvres in the critical section of a wave".........
For surfing,
that kind of goes without saying hey ?

If a surfer isn't in the critical section (cs),
he's slowly sinking with no power, no speed and no flow.
No joy.
A surfer really needs to be in the cs cause that's where the juice is.

Unlike a wavekiter.
Windfreaks can harness the power of the wave in conjunction with the force of the wind.
But the cs is the womb and the place to be.

Here's my take on the whole critical section thing:
The perfect peeling wave has only one defined cs.
It's the eye of the storm.
Most waves are sectiony and can have many cs's along their length.

What makes wavekiting so cool is that the rider can fang from one cs to another.
At the yank of the bar,
the rider can zap across a stupidly long stretch of fat wall to reconnect with the energy of the wave.
That is sooo cool.

I agree with JB, The event was run better than any others I have competed in. Everyone involved should be congratulated.

The strapped v's Unstrapped debate was definately a hot topic.
In my opinion they should not be scored equally as the degree of difficulty is not the same, not even close. There should be seperate divisions for each.

The judging criteria quoted in JB's post is exacly what is needed here. Difficult, critical moves in the critical sections of the wave should be rewarded. Three big critical moves should be scored higher than 10 half assed turns way out on the face or on the whitewater, just as they are in Pro surfing competitions.

I have seen one huge critical move on a wave score an 8 out of 10 in ASP Surfing competitions. The same should be possible in a kiting competition.