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Axis Foil Stoke!!

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Created by eppo 7 months ago, 8 Nov 2018
Kamikuza
QLD, 3901 posts
16 Nov 2018 4:58PM
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Fly on da wall said..
My slingshot only uses the 1 fuz for all wings.. And there's a lot to choose from. Just saying so please don't go on the defensive attack.
P.s. Love it's durability and performance but I'm a slingy / bang for buck guy


That's a totally different design concept isn't it. The fuselage is a hexagonal aluminum rod and the wings slide onto it, the stab mount bolts onto the back. Real basic and simple, but heavy. Good bang for buck, but you get what you pay for.

I owned a HoverGlide that I decided to sell about 2 seconds after picking up and carrying an Axis foil Even my surf setup now is almost a kilo lighter than the HG was. On the water, the Axis is easily the better foil. And it's a work of art!

I do like the DwarfCraft boards, I think the 4'6" is a great size for free ride. Lot of guys here have them on other brand foils.

AquaPlow
QLD, 721 posts
1 Dec 2018 9:46PM
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airsail said..




Kamikuza said..
Foil kites float on the water fine, even completely empty of air. A few times I had to roll the 21 up and then just put it on the board and pushed that in. Same for the tubes; couldn't imagine trying to use the kite to rescue and having to cope with a foil board too.

Contemplating putting a reel leash on my harness for the very rare occasions I need to mess about with the kite and don't want the board sailing off downwind into the lines...






I have put a reel leash on my harness for exactly that reason, after the foil ended up on the rocks. I'm currently undecided if it is good or not. I find the spring a bit strong and the board ends up bumping you and your kicking the foil while relaunching. I have resorted to a length of webbing added to the end of the reel leash strap to give a bit of space between the board and myself, kind of defeats the purpose of the reel leash.
Will try taking some webbing wraps off the drum, might relax the spring a bit.





That statement brings back memories - the Underground (pre-axis) 157 (fibreglass!!) TT I learnt on (phew) with a reel leash attached to a fin screw used to pull n the board when going in that direction - really distracting in lighter winds - I ended up reeling out about 3/4 of the relaxed length I needed - and tied a SS ring in to the cord (a tad wider than the hole in the housing of the leash) so it stopped pulling on the boardonce they get a bit older the spring relaxes a bit too so less of a problem..

Like gambling I will take Eppo's statement and double it.. I am a kook at foiling...No shiny Red or any colour on my foiling experience yet.. but v.early days re actual water time.. basically only 1 good session with the kite not being the focus - and then I bust off a bit of the trailing edge..WIP DIY repair- the lake I used has gone shallow - so I was clean bowled by this - I didn't notice damage until I was packing up..the lake bed is soft clay after waist depth and a bugger for traction when wading..

My take home at present - do not under estimate the influence of the board on the set-up when learning...
Take advice and test - I gleefully re-purposed (cheap skate mentality - dooooh) a wide bouyant G8 4 Skipping stone crash downs board and it has the table manners of a _____(the decking just does not cut it for foiling - anywhere your feet end up must grip - fixed last night. after scrambling over the bloody roof putting up xmas lights yawn.)

Possibly happens on all foil boards - I don't know... My super bouyant setup means any time the foil is un-attached and not held it zips (I mean really zips) off, the wave rock just surges the wing. So I have made sure my reel leash still works (they rust out) and I am heading out to sea and deep water for my next workoutover- not sure of best practice on how to get thru the surf but hopefully that will be sub-5% of the experience or less.. I am just hanging for foil board time....

I am thinking I might have to spring another $1k now on something like a Slingshot Dwarf Craft - but bugger it I am really enjoying the challenge to get this board set-up to work.. I was worried about loosing the whole box and dice at Sea -- but it gets deep which is a total focus so nothing else gets in the way - I just want board time..(and a orange and black glimmery sparkle moment or six and nothing washing the contact lenses out of my eyes!!).

Cheers
AP

eppo
WA, 7041 posts
1 Dec 2018 9:06PM
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Update: had a handful of sessions now on the axis supsurf foil with a 680 wing.

Really starting to enjoy it now. For instance was only 13-15 knots today and had some shifty west in it, but I was always able to have an incredible kite just on a little 7m Bandit.

Honestly I wouldn't have even bothered kiting today on my 10 or even if someone offered me a 14 it was that weak.

But someone said to me if the kite can stay in the air and it has enough power to at least get out the water then you can foil. So I tried it... it's so awesome not needing the kite much!

Went a good couple of km or so upwind on a couple of tacks then just had this wonderful downwind carve...

more and more aggressive s bends carves into continuous ttoeside to heelside carves.... then,

riding straight at kite to Kill all power and then doing the pump thing (man those guys that pump their foils over those distances must be super damn fit!!!).

So much fun bearing straight and fast downwind on your toes, gliding through the mast length (Jesus sounds like porn but have no other way to describe it) with some acute carves up and downwind.

I can see why this foil will be fun in the waves. You can trust it.

This foils seems so stable and predictable.

Every session I am just getting noticeably better (and relaxed hence enjoying it) and I give full credence to the foils design not any great skill on my behalf.

I even nearly swapped feet feet a couple of times up on the foil on both tacjs but not quite there, although I haven't really dedicated a session to that yet. Soon. I have no doubt the foil will let me do it even on the minimal volume board.

I have even done the last three sessions without any footstraps at all. Prefer it I think. Was tricky though with the small kite in less wind today.

Ready for the ocean me thinks.....

Kamikuza
QLD, 3901 posts
2 Dec 2018 12:16AM
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"But someone said to me if the kite can stay in the air and it has enough power to at least get out the water then you can foil."
Toldja

eppo
WA, 7041 posts
2 Dec 2018 7:33AM
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AquaPlow
QLD, 721 posts
2 Dec 2018 10:01AM
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eppo said..
Update:
Every session I am just getting noticeably better (and relaxed hence enjoying it) and I give full credence to the foils design not any great skill on my behalf.

I even nearly swapped feet feet a couple of times up on the foil on both tacjs but not quite there, although I haven't really dedicated a session to that yet. Soon. I have no doubt the foil will let me do it even on the minimal volume board.

I have even done the last three sessions without any footstraps at all. Prefer it I think. Was tricky though with the small kite in less wind today.

Ready for the ocean me thinks.....

G8 2read -- U talented soda
AP

eddiemorgs
NT, 353 posts
2 Dec 2018 1:32PM
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eppo said..
Update: had a handful of sessions now on the axis supsurf foil with a 680 wing.

Really starting to enjoy it now. For instance was only 13-15 knots today and had some shifty west in it, but I was always able to have an incredible kite just on a little 7m Bandit.

Honestly I wouldn't have even bothered kiting today on my 10 or even if someone offered me a 14 it was that weak.

But someone said to me if the kite can stay in the air and it has enough power to at least get out the water then you can foil. So I tried it... it's so awesome not needing the kite much!

Went a good couple of km or so upwind on a couple of tacks then just had this wonderful downwind carve...

more and more aggressive s bends carves into continuous ttoeside to heelside carves.... then,

riding straight at kite to Kill all power and then doing the pump thing (man those guys that pump their foils over those distances must be super damn fit!!!).

So much fun bearing straight and fast downwind on your toes, gliding through the mast length (Jesus sounds like porn but have no other way to describe it) with some acute carves up and downwind.

I can see why this foil will be fun in the waves. You can trust it.

This foils seems so stable and predictable.

Every session I am just getting noticeably better (and relaxed hence enjoying it) and I give full credence to the foils design not any great skill on my behalf.

I even nearly swapped feet feet a couple of times up on the foil on both tacjs but not quite there, although I haven't really dedicated a session to that yet. Soon. I have no doubt the foil will let me do it even on the minimal volume board.

I have even done the last three sessions without any footstraps at all. Prefer it I think. Was tricky though with the small kite in less wind today.

Ready for the ocean me thinks.....


Uh oh , Eppo's go the fever ....

Falco
74 posts
2 Dec 2018 12:13PM
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Race is on Eppo who can nail the gybe first..........

eppo
WA, 7041 posts
2 Dec 2018 1:13PM
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You should be doing it already on a 750 wing ...

Falco
74 posts
2 Dec 2018 2:02PM
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Well I rode away on one this afternoon, wasn't pretty but I'll take it

Falco
74 posts
2 Dec 2018 2:06PM
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eppo
WA, 7041 posts
2 Dec 2018 7:42PM
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Mate congrats. I didn't even try.

Reason ... rebel.

Never again will I even bother to foil on the rebel again. Stupid damn thing.

bigtone667
NSW, 1035 posts
3 Dec 2018 12:57PM
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Looking forward to hearing about your first swell rides on the foil.......

eppo
WA, 7041 posts
3 Dec 2018 2:32PM
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bigtone667 said..
Looking forward to hearing about your first swell rides on the foil.......



they say the stretch from Avalon, south to say secret harbour is one of the best stretches of coastline for downwind supping in Australia? Someone was telling me...

I wonder if it would work the same on a really small drifting wave kite, kill power and pump and glide? My foil isn't big enough probably.

bigtone667
NSW, 1035 posts
3 Dec 2018 8:20PM
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eppo said..

bigtone667 said..
Looking forward to hearing about your first swell rides on the foil.......




they say the stretch from Avalon, south to say secret harbour is one of the best stretches of coastline for downwind supping in Australia? Someone was telling me...

I wonder if it would work the same on a really small drifting wave kite, kill power and pump and glide? My foil isn't big enough probably.


Absolutely it will work.... downwinders on ocean swell are magical.

Youngbreezy
WA, 511 posts
3 Dec 2018 7:55PM
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Magic little 12-15 knot session today!!

Today was my day off and I missed the pumping conditions last week but I am stoked with a really nice foil session today, it really saved my week.

One thing I find with foiling is that when you're in light wind you are riding with a similar size kite and doing similar ( or faster) board speed as someone on a regular board in strong winds so you get a lot of the same thrill as riding in strong winds. Also hauling ass across a relatively calm ocean is amazing!!

Falco
74 posts
3 Dec 2018 8:04PM
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eppo said..

bigtone667 said..
Looking forward to hearing about your first swell rides on the foil.......




they say the stretch from Avalon, south to say secret harbour is one of the best stretches of coastline for downwind supping in Australia? Someone was telling me...

I wonder if it would work the same on a really small drifting wave kite, kill power and pump and glide? My foil isn't big enough probably.


I'll do it maybe even Saturday, I'm going out on my mates boat in mandurah in the morning to play behind his boat on the foil. If the wind picks up I would be keen

Youngbreezy
WA, 511 posts
3 Dec 2018 8:08PM
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On the subject of downwinders I saw someone doing the down wind run coming past swanbourne the other day, he was on a 4m uno in about 25 knots and looked like he was having an absolute blast!!!

Heaps of the beach along there has almost no sand bank and the waves don't really break until right on the shore so it would be good for foiling

eppo
WA, 7041 posts
5 Dec 2018 6:51AM
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Booooooo green arrows coming....





eddiemorgs
NT, 353 posts
5 Dec 2018 11:59AM
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eppo said..
Booooooo green arrows coming....









Try one day foiling on a small kite Eppo . Your skills will go up a level. Nothing like wind and a small kite on a foil , although 25-30 might get a bit tricky - nothing you cant solve with a very small kite I guess ....

KBGhost
QLD, 22 posts
5 Jan 2019 8:05AM
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+1 on the Axis love. I had a full carbon race foil with a learner front wing, at the time I thought it was a good foil but for me it was nearly impossible to learn on. Sold that and a year or two later I bought Toppleover's old foil, put the 450mm mast on, and from day one I was up and foiling. Such a stable, easy design to ride.




eppo
WA, 7041 posts
5 Jan 2019 8:55AM
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Stable is the word. Two mates, one on their second sesh, the other on his first session were foiling up and back (500-800m rides) and going downwind with ease. Ridiculous progression rates.

toppleover
QLD, 1503 posts
5 Jan 2019 9:21PM
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KBGhost said..
+1 on the Axis love. I had a full carbon race foil with a learner front wing, at the time I thought it was a good foil but for me it was nearly impossible to learn on. Sold that and a year or two later I bought Toppleover's old foil, put the 450mm mast on, and from day one I was up and foiling. Such a stable, easy design to ride.





Glad to hear your enjoying that foil as much as I did.
I'm addicted to prone foiling now, never thought I'd find something that I'd rather do than kite.

KBGhost
QLD, 22 posts
6 Jan 2019 8:31AM
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Funny thing Eppo everyone says how scary downwind foiling is and how hard it can be when you're learning and you crank upwind and have to get back to where you started. But with this foil I really love going downwind, even as a learner having some big stacks, there's a special feeling balancing the power in the foil and the kite, carving S bends in the silence as you run with the wind, I love it.

Topple, loving it so much I bought to 600 mast, perfect length for the lake and my skill level. Where do you get a decent wave to prone foil here.. round the points I guess?

toppleover
QLD, 1503 posts
6 Jan 2019 9:31AM
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KBGhost said..
Funny thing Eppo everyone says how scary downwind foiling is and how hard it can be when you're learning and you crank upwind and have to get back to where you started. But with this foil I really love going downwind, even as a learner having some big stacks, there's a special feeling balancing the power in the foil and the kite, carving S bends in the silence as you run with the wind, I love it.

Topple, loving it so much I bought to 600 mast, perfect length for the lake and my skill level. Where do you get a decent wave to prone foil here.. round the points I guess?


Sent u a pm

LeighMajor
NSW, 282 posts
7 Jan 2019 10:53AM
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KBGhost said..
+1 on the Axis love. I had a full carbon race foil with a learner front wing, at the time I thought it was a good foil but for me it was nearly impossible to learn on. Sold that and a year or two later I bought Toppleover's old foil, put the 450mm mast on, and from day one I was up and foiling. Such a stable, easy design to ride.





Hi KB
Have a similar Axis board.
Did you bolt your mast base straight through your board with stainless washers on top?
Or did you put some bolt sleeves inserted first.?
cheers

toppleover
QLD, 1503 posts
7 Jan 2019 6:48PM
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LeighMajor said..

KBGhost said..
+1 on the Axis love. I had a full carbon race foil with a learner front wing, at the time I thought it was a good foil but for me it was nearly impossible to learn on. Sold that and a year or two later I bought Toppleover's old foil, put the 450mm mast on, and from day one I was up and foiling. Such a stable, easy design to ride.





Hi KB
Have a similar Axis board.
Did you bolt your mast base straight through your board with stainless washers on top?
Or did you put some bolt sleeves inserted first.?
cheers


That was a production (possibly a proto) Axis foilboard Leigh - all done by Axis.

Livit
WA, 439 posts
7 Jan 2019 9:21PM
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toppleover said..

LeighMajor said..


KBGhost said..
+1 on the Axis love. I had a full carbon race foil with a learner front wing, at the time I thought it was a good foil but for me it was nearly impossible to learn on. Sold that and a year or two later I bought Toppleover's old foil, put the 450mm mast on, and from day one I was up and foiling. Such a stable, easy design to ride.





Hi KB
Have a similar Axis board.
Did you bolt your mast base straight through your board with stainless washers on top?
Or did you put some bolt sleeves inserted first.?
cheers



That was a production (possibly a proto) Axis foilboard Leigh - all done by Axis.


I had an old Kipuna laying around not being used. I was tempted to convert is as a foil board and I contacted Adrian to get his take on it. His words were: "These boards are not designed to be strong enough to cope with the bending force of a foil.
It does not work."

Kipuna/New wave have a fair amount of flex. You want your foilboard to be stiff.

LeighMajor
NSW, 282 posts
8 Jan 2019 6:57AM
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toppleover said..

LeighMajor said..


KBGhost said..
+1 on the Axis love. I had a full carbon race foil with a learner front wing, at the time I thought it was a good foil but for me it was nearly impossible to learn on. Sold that and a year or two later I bought Toppleover's old foil, put the 450mm mast on, and from day one I was up and foiling. Such a stable, easy design to ride.





Hi KB
Have a similar Axis board.
Did you bolt your mast base straight through your board with stainless washers on top?
Or did you put some bolt sleeves inserted first.?
cheers



That was a production (possibly a proto) Axis foilboard Leigh - all done by Axis.


Hey Thanks Mick & Livit
for the heads up in regards to the axis new wave model in KBs photo which is strengthened with solid timber reinforcing.
Great boards the Axis new wave.
Would have made my newer model even more versatile .
Thanks

mazdon
919 posts
9 Jan 2019 2:23PM
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eppo said..
Booooooo green arrows coming....










foiling going to change your life down mandurah way Eppo!



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