Cabrinha Crossbow review

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dalestanton
dalestanton
WA
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25 Jul 2005 5:23pm
wholley hell, how high is shinee boy. jeezuz I wouldnt wanna break a line up there.

The wait for wind is killing me.... when are they goign to bring out a playstation game for kiters...??
I am getting bored.
Gstar
Gstar
WA
391 posts
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25 Jul 2005 6:07pm
Hey Dale, why not build a slider/kicker, and take it down to woodies, ready for the upcoming season of mayhem. ooops! Already done that. Controversy anyone??....Is my travel mug still in your Falcon?
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
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25 Jul 2005 6:19pm
hey dale,
know your sponsered and all but whats the go for wakestyle stuff on the crossbow...no different approach like they say there is for boosting?
dalestanton
dalestanton
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26 Jul 2005 8:51am
Gey G'star, your travel I have your travel mug still sitting in the falcon mate, I'll clean er up for ya and droperoff the next time i'm up your way, same address yeah?

Hi kiterdan, the crossbow does pull really consistantly which makes life easier for wakestyle. But you can also get some awesome hangtime on the CB too, I'll be spending most of summer off the water...literally.
Not 100% sure what your question is? maybe flick another post up.

DS
kiterdan
kiterdan
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26 Jul 2005 12:57pm
yeah sorry about that dale, was in a rush!
Ive heard that riders need to adjust to the way the kite flys. For example, people wanting to go big will need a different approach to sending the kite and sheeting compared to going big on traditional kites. I was just curious as to whether it is the same for wakestyle handlepasses and other unhooked stuff...i.e. is there a different technique that the rider needs to adjust to?
Cheers
Dan
dalestanton
dalestanton
WA
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26 Jul 2005 3:09pm
well it depends on the wind and your kite size, I have been using the depower strap then unhooking just like i would on any other kite, no mods needed. Although you will have to gage the conditions your in, if its too windy, put up a smaller kite if you become overpowered.

\jumping---just send it across the window sheeted out, thenpull on the power a split second before you want to boost...then prepare for the hand time.
if you have anymore Q's just flick us an email kiterdan.
cheers
dale
gruezi
gruezi
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26 Jul 2005 6:42pm
Has anyone figured out how to self-launch the sucker without going in the drink?



carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
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26 Jul 2005 7:23pm
Downwind hot launch, should be do able, pretty controled with the amount of depower you have.


goodluck at melville though
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
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26 Jul 2005 7:34pm
quote:
Originally posted by gruezi

Has anyone figured out how to self-launch the sucker without going in the drink?


Well I did have to get stuck into the drink to do it BUT I have an idea 4U
You could try that new "Turbo Launcher"
They reckon its taking the kite world by storm
NSW, 4382 posts
27 Jul 2005 11:56am
quote:
Originally posted by puppetonastring

Has anyone found a test-drive review of the 16M
Especially keen to get news on the 'real' min. upwind rating
From what Ive seen Im hopeful that the 16M XBow will turn & fly at least as fast as my current 15M (min around 12kts) AND it will be that good way within that long elusive &/or marginal sub 10Kts category.
Keen to know too what down size will be needed to allow a fair crossover when it starts blowing
Anyone help out with either here



Hey Puppet
I flew the 12M yesterday in winds ranging from less than 10 knots to well over 30 knots, it is everything that has been said about it and more. It has the range of 2 kites.
I am sure that the 16M will fly and perform well in 10 knots, and you will still be comfortable on it over 20+ knots too.

Look for my review when I have time to write it. I rode the kite for approx 45mins to 1 hr. Only took a few short runs to get it dialed and feel completely at ease with it.
Awesome kites, incredible depower and safety, thats all I could say about them for now.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
Jeff2231
Jeff2231
NSW
416 posts
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27 Jul 2005 4:57pm
Hey Steve,

Just spoke to one of the guys that was down there today and he said it looked like a great kite. I wish I had've known you were all down there, I had the day off and was only a short walk down the road. I heard Huddo was going off down there with Richie.

Have you got a demo at your shop? I'm keen to see how these new shapes go in the air, I've been sceptical but the reports sound good so far.
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
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27 Jul 2005 3:09pm
The only thing is, and please correct me if Im wrong...you cant depower the kite and get as big a windrange when unhooked.
You are unhooking a 12m kite! So, although having a huge range hooked in, it limits your riding to an extent(I mean, is the same as a traditional kite with more safety)? Having said that, it is said quite clearly on the Cabrinha site that 1 kite will not replace all of your kites. So having a 7 and 12 or a 9 and 16 would be good.
I saw my first one the other day and by the sounds of these reviews and from what I saw seems like an awesome kite...especially for gusty conditions and/or wave riding (would be awesome up north)...but perhaps the unhooked thing would limit your riding a bit.
I also heard that some of the team riders like Andre Phillip arent riding the crossbows...they choose to ride the CO2? This could be just some internet crap though.
I hope this doesnt sound like Im having a dig! Just trying to get as much information as I can about the kite.
Cheers
Dan
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
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27 Jul 2005 4:07pm
yeah you got a point dan, basically unhooked your powered up the whole time. which could be a bit worrysome. But you can depower on the trim strap and if your going unhooked, dont you want to be powered?
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
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27 Jul 2005 6:50pm
Yeah of course you want power but if its 30 knots, there is no difference in unhooking a 12m crossbow and a traditional 12m kite...you'll get spanked.
Having read my previous post...it sounds a bit over the top to say it 'limits' your riding...rather the crossbow can't be a replacement 1 kite quiver.
brooksy
brooksy
WA
498 posts
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28 Jul 2005 7:58am
Think I'll wait the season out, first model of a new line always sees some pretty significant refinement. And at the rate everyone is talking about buying the new kites this season I should be able to pick up some really cheap 05 gear!
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
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28 Jul 2005 2:34pm
38 knots NOT!
No way.
The water would be sizzling at 38.

Check the windsurfer out in the foreground of the pic.
Yeah, the one with the yellow luff.
That's a kook stance, hardly planing.

Where's the liquid smoke?
Where's the spray coming off the broken waves?

It's a mega boost though.
Respect!

Anyway, for what it's worth, I'm guessing 28 knots.
gruezi
gruezi
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28 Jul 2005 11:00pm
It's a photo montague.

The guy is actually posing in his living room.

Yea, 28 knots more like it.
owieb
owieb
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29 Jul 2005 1:08pm
So are people finding it difficult to self-launch?

I'm pretty keen on the XBow, but a lot of the time I'm kiting on my own so won't have people around to help with a launch.

Be good to hear some feedback....

Cheers guys
gruezi
gruezi
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29 Jul 2005 3:10pm
Had 2 hours today. I dropped once in light winds and got it up easily. Mate dropped his 6X and got it up easily, there was little wind and gusty.

The kite is a dream....still needs a dam power-lock, but re-launching mate...soooooooo easy, just keep pulling on one of the outside lines....the lighter the wind, the more you pull in. Today, I pulled in about 1m and launched like a dream....bloody fantastic.

I still have to work out body dragging with this one, as it does not yet have a power-lock......

And self launch still not successful, but that could be technique.

Still need to fly in high winds, but gusts and re-launching are a piece of cake

poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
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29 Jul 2005 3:28pm
yeah i need a new board and loose weight.
My guts were dragging on the water making it difficult to stay up wind on a 130 board in marginal conditions.
the kite is pure joy though, even though i rigged it for nuking conditions.
Needs a power lock so badly,
I need to get usd to this thing, its wierd.
iti
iti
QLD
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iti iti
QLD, 417 posts
30 Jul 2005 9:19am
why do you need a power lock to
bodydrag you have lost me

you say you need a powerlock to kite. do you understand that if you sheet in 100% at times you will stall the kite . akite has a sweet spot & guess what it might not be when you have the kite 100% sheeted in?

you should of been flying on that kite last saturday at woodies,
i was and i was on a old style 14mtr and a very small board,and had very little issues in 10knots

gruezi
gruezi
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30 Jul 2005 8:44am
Hi iti.

The reason I feel a power lock is needed to body drag is because I want full power, and using one arm only to hold in the bar is simply too painful...I am not Arnold Schwartznegger. When body dragging, all I want to do is steer the kite with one had while using my other as a rudder.

When I am doing those long upwind tacks in steady wind, and even slightly gusty conditions, I want to ride almost hands free. Lock it in close my eyes and fall asleap, no pulling in on the bar, that's for sure.

Regarless, I love my new kite.....but it needs a dam POWER LOCK!!!!!
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
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31 Jul 2005 12:18pm
Heres a supposed non biased ? review of the XBow including the 16M
from kiteforum - "Got to ride the Crossbow 7/28"
http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2318454
Feels genuine 2 me (BTW I havent actually found anything from Cabrinha which misrepresents their product at all; seems pretty OK even conservative to me)
I particularly like the follow up with the actual wind graph of the day - nice touch
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
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1 Aug 2005 12:29am
from kiteforum (above) the post with the graph says ....

"For those interested, here's the wind graph (in MPH) for that day. The demo got going at about 11am and I think they started breaking down around 5:30pm Quite a few of the people who rode didn't get there until after 3pm.
I'm guessing I was on the water from about 12pm-3pm riding the 16, 12, then 16 again with about 45 minutes to an hour on each. Again 190lbs/85k in a shorty and harness, WLF140 board and by no means the most skilled rider on the beach!"


11am to 5:30pm - graph shows 16mph > 10 mph
My converter says thats about 14kts > 8.5kts
gruezi
gruezi
WA
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1 Aug 2005 7:02pm
5 hours on it today.........fantastic

Wind range 18-25 knots.

It is a great gust absorber.

In today's conditions, I would have lasted only a couple of hours on my 10m Aero II, which I luv also.

The good riders can surely tell you more...like the FN hang time
dalestanton
dalestanton
WA
272 posts
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1 Aug 2005 8:43pm
Ohh baby, I've still got a smile on my dial. ear to ear.......... the hang time is Fn awesome... hehehe

gruezi
gruezi
WA
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2 Aug 2005 6:32pm
Crap conditions in WAAAAAAAA today.

Make sure you really pump up the leading edge on my 12m x-bow. If you are looping the 12m, the leading edge can fold in upon itself, if it is not pumped tight....I may have also sprung a minor leak...don't know yet. If this happens to you, just give with the bar and it corrects...just a little fright...no drama.

Still love my kite.

Nothing new on self launching. All the videos of launches that I have seen (X-bow & Nova) are assisted or from the water.



carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
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4 Aug 2005 10:20pm
Have you tried pulling in both rear lines. You might be able to reverse it off the land a few metres.

Or try hot launching it like a foil, sand the trailing edge to stop it flying away and pull in the front lines. Should be pretty tame with the amount of depower it has.
Chas
Chas
WA
27 posts
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15 Aug 2005 10:29pm
X/bow first impressions.(9.0)
Up to Lancelin on Sat with winds from 25 up to 40 in the squalls. I set up with nothing unusual, I did an unassisted launch off the beach and rather than fold the wing tip over on itself a la classic style, I weighted up the first 2 sections of the under side of the kite and succesfully launched the kite, but doing this could lead to damaging the kite by putting it under a lot of load until it has dropped off the sand. I will need to look in to this.
Once in the air, the first thing I noticed was just how stable it flew and never felt it was in danger of over flying in the gusts. I felt at ease with it after a couple of runs and decided to start jumping, so I went through the same automatic motion with the bar as I would on a classic kite and although I got height and float in the jump I also travelled quite far downwind and coming in real fast. This is because I am used to sending the Vegas back from a very low position and it is just going to take me some time to get dialled in to the right technique, but the lift and hang time was phenomonal.
The kite was excellent for going upwind and even when hit by some strong gusts I did not have to assume the lavatorial position and did not have to physically absorb the loads but merely sheeted out the bar until I felt comfortable. The bar does require more pressure to pull on the power compared to the Norths, but nothing that should be of concern to anyone. I kited solid for 4 1/2 hours with very little `letup`.
Where I was really impressed with the kite was in the fact I could de power the kite at will and even in the strongest gusts I could crank downwind turns and stay in control just by letting out the bar. I think for wave riding conditions this kite will make it far easier for you to stay where you want to be.
The turning speed of the kite is really dependant on how much bar pressure you have pulled on, i.e.if it is real gnarly you can turn the kite quite slowly with the bar out, but if you sheet the bar in the kite turns as quick as the Norths.
I am real impressed with the X/bows so far and once I get the timing sorted out in the jumps(my knees don`t like hard landings)....the sky is the limit!
gruezi
gruezi
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18 Aug 2005 11:00am
Still no joy doing a self-launch

I would like to witness this act either in person at the local beach here, or on the Cabrinha web site...

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