I think you guys should get over this and look at the big picture. SAKSA PROVIDE INSURANCE. saying that just because some one is being tool at the beach and has chosen to be with saksa that it is the insuras fault is just petty. When someone hits your car in the carpark do you find out who there insured through and start a forum that all RAA members are bullies and they just push you out the road. do you get the ****s that handicaped people can park so close to the shop just because they have a special tag. Why not be a man and say what the real reason is that you hate saksa. Did your mum leave you when you and your dad when you were young for a travling insurance salesman?

Purchasing insurance shows you are being responsible, whether it be car insurance, home, health, public liability, income or any of the others it shows that you are prepared to be acountible for anything that could posibly hapen whether you cause damage to someones property or injure someone in a way that could afect there life for ever. Not having insurance shows that you are only in it fore yourself that you dont care about other people and what could hapen to them if you were to hurt or injure one ore more of them.

You cant predict the future so it pays to be covered if you hate saksa buy insurance somewhere else and show you are being responsible for what you are choosing to do.

mr pinch said...
saksa people have been a bunch of pricks. When I was learning kiteboarding some saksa tossa interrupted my lesson and demanded I move on!


i've spoken to an instructor recently who had the same thing from SAKSA members. during lessons he'd get harassed and threatened.
nice work SAKSA!

if you guys act like some of the threads suggest you do, i'm amazed that SASKA functions at all. you'd think it would deteriorate into a forum of bitching for a small group of people... a select club... who, due to no more sense than a pile ****, would use an open forum for it.... oh, hang on a minute....

when there is an arsehole at the top everyone gets covered in ****!


Excuse this post as i am writing off the top of my head as things enter it so it may be a little all over the place

I'm not sure if you all realise but if its what i'm thinking of then the instructor in question was actually teaching in the wrong area and was going against the laws and permit systems put in by the council and was putting not only you the student in danger but also all the other kiters in the area

SAKSA members and most likely the more passionate ones are kiters who have been in the sport a long time, some of them do have the wrong attitude i agree and maybe need to think before they type, especially in a topic as delicate as this. We do encourage others to get into the sport as you may or may not know the instructors and shop workers are mostly all members and strong advocates for the association and the sport in general as those who have had positive dealings with shops, which i hope they all are and also with the instructing bodies.

Without the association as from what i can read from the forum has done a lot recelntly with the CASA (sorry have been away and out of the loop) but yes has also done a lot in the past with the banning and restrictions in holdfast bay and henley, and yes cops have been called down the beach, and yes there was a time when council staff or security guards would come down the beach and ask you to move on. Some members of SAKSA may have to watch the way they approach people when dealing with situations but also maybe the person being dealt with may have to realise that maybe this is an ongoing thing that you may have just been caught up in and it may not be about you but for those in the lessons about a continuing problem with the instructor or with similar people down the beach doing similar things as yourselves which in previous circumstances have proved to be dangerous and detrimental to the sport and those who are fighting to keep the beaches open. I know sometimes personally i take a step back and look at what is going on down the beach and can sometimes be shocked and appalled at the way people conduct themselves on and off the water.

However for those who aren't familiar with henley or have only recently started kiting there, henley is a unique spot where it does get very croweded quite quickly and they are a lot of dangers apparant. Not only the public but also the kiting community in general. There is a mixture of the very elite in adelaide kiteboarding all the way through to the absolute begginer and being quite a narrow and crowded beach, sometimes begginers and encourage to move to another beach as to prevent accidents that can sometimes happen when learning due to unforseen condtitions and basic kite control which can only improve with practice and is not a bad thing.

However henley is not a place to learn, it is not a place to teach and is a place that needs to be treated very carefully.

For those who live at henley and are not happy with the mentality there, i'm guessing you haven't been kiting for very long and just because you live in an area doesn't necessarily mean you have any more rights or say or knowledge than anyone else and are exempt from any laws or bans that may be put in place. I live in holdfast bay and by law can't kite there, i dealt with it and went elsewhere its a pain in the arse but sometimes sucking it up and moving somewhere else or respecting what has been put in place is better than all this debating and bull s**t.

A little off topic at this stage but Largs Bay Sailing Club has a special membership deal for kiters and windsurfers. This is not the $250 sailing membership as this gives sailing and voting rights which kiters do not need. Off hand i think its $24.

Plus hot showers and if your there in a Friday or Saturday (and some sundays) you are more than welcome to come and enjoy the cheap beer/bundy. If your lucky somer of the stunner sailor chicks may even talk to you

I'd like to voice my support for the SAKSA committee.
Without their efforts I am convinced most of our beaches would be off-limits.
Without a unified, insured, self regulating body to deal with, Councils will simply ban the sport. It takes significant volunteered time to keep SAKSA running.
People kiting at Henley without SAKSA membership deserve a reminder that they are doing so against the wishes of CASA, The Council and the wider kiting community.

ckniter

Chap said...

Craig, happy to answer your query from the CASA perspective.

The permit is under subregulation 260(2) of the Civil Aviation Regulations:

A person must not fly a fixed balloon or kite within 4 000 metres of an
aerodrome or at a height of more than 300 feet if the following
requirements are not satisfied:
(a) the person has CASA’s permission to fly the balloon or kite at
that height;
(b) the flight is in accordance with the terms of that permission.

My understanding from my conversations with CASA is that the only exemption to this rule is where the Aerodrome does not have Air Traffic Control in operation (i.e. farm/country airstrips etc).

Cheers

I would just assume that as far as CASA would be concerned, a kite is a kite whether or not it is connected to a "vessel" (especially if it is 9m + kite).
And lets not get too excited by this "vessel" classification unless you really want to wear a lifejacket while kiting...

Hey I am over this.. Not a SAKSA, Your real name is Ben from A1 Kite boarding and Ben your second name is Mr Pinch.

Adelaide is the best place to kite in aussie land. So many good crew and its chilled out.

So Ben You know that you cant instruct at Henley, CASA over rules all other Gov dept including Marine and Harbors/ Council. The reason CASA have problem with kiters is that. The kites all come up on the radar screens, because we are in the flight line of small aircraft. Boats don’t show on the radar because there are at water line. Where kites are approximately 23-30mtrs above water line.


Please stop all this crap on the forum, Its turning Seabreeze forums into what other states are like, Other states look at SA forums as fun and chilled. Please keep that way.

ahahahahahahahahaha "not a SASKA" your such a tool. SASKA have done so much for us in this state go find some beach in whoop whoop where u can kite alone stop stiring the ****pot mate it will bite u in the ass one day .
sorry SASKA boys someone had to say it

Harry, grasshopper, you must learn when someone is already down it is not nice to kick them.

Please everyone enough has been said on this topic, it is time for it to be left to flow into the pages of seabreeze archives and become a distant memory..

May it be windy when you want to ride !


ur so wise

Hmmmm ... probably best we lay this topic to rest eh?

Sorry .. topic locked.