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DANEgerous
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25 Mar 2011 4:43pm
I've got a few friends raving about Rallys, I'm going to have to borrow one.
craggers
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25 Mar 2011 1:49pm
DANEgerous said...

I've got a few friends raving about Rallys, I'm going to have to borrow one.


the index says try a 14m.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Seabreeze-observations-chart/
kitesurfjim
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25 Mar 2011 10:59pm
Exsearch

Yes I am 75 kg and yes I was well powered on an 8 funny that the two guys jumping the highest yesterday was myself and Ewan who was on a 7.
Hmm pro rider and he's the same weight but on a smaller kite. Oh and chris sal from kR weighing at a guess 85 kg on a twin riding a 7 and powered.

All beit you are 90 kg i couldn't get over your massive boosts and flamboyant repetuare of tricks. Mate you weren't the biggest guy out but had the biggest kite out.
Where is your get out clause when a squall comes in???

Anyway looked like you were ok mowing the lawn out there, glad you enjoyed it, prob would have had more fun on your 9 though mate. After all it's all about board speed.

Er aorta check that graph again mate, you are reading thing wrong. The average wind speed yes was 30 knots gusts upto and above 35 for that period of time. Def not the wind range a 12 rally was designed for irrespective of your weight. You have to take note of the gusts not the average wind.
Someone else fell foul of this earlier that day beginner or not a lesson should be learned not just ignored.

Anyone know how the injured dude is???
exarch
exarch
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26 Mar 2011 2:07pm
hmmm pro rider jumping bigger than the average punter..... not surprised :P

Jim, i had a 9 in the boot of the car it was just too good an oportunity to not get the brand new toy out and while i agree the conditions were far from perfect i think you would understand

1. new kite + board
2. first time on it
3. okay but far from ideal conditions
4. gunna ride it and not do anything stupid like see just how far i can push it

moral of my story, 9 probably would have been perfect. 12 would have been okay. about 1/2 hour of usable light, hit it but don't be stupid.

i understand your concern, you probably hang around st kilda a fair bit as such you would see all kinds of punters face ploughing the beach and anyone with a new kite and board combo setting up in less favourable conditions would normally deserve a good talking to. as we can tell you clearly kept an eye on things and saw a kite bening managed well enough, there were no stacks, no injuries, no one pushing the envelope and thankfully no noobs hanging around to get their kites tangled in.... hence the less than frequent trips to st kilda on my behalf.... that area is a death trap :P
kitesurfjim
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26 Mar 2011 11:41pm
@ craggers cheers bud appreciate the feedback. I agree at times my choice of language is some what corse, it's not meant as personal insult and agree the true meanIng can be lost in translation.
Thanks

@ exsearch. Mate I didn't say anything to you cos I saw the fact you were riding and seemed ok.
Yes when I ride I take a great deal of pride in being a competent and I use the term loosely pro rider (not cos I'm good but cos it's my profession). Every day I ride I keep my eyes on everything going on. Every kiter out and like being in a possition where I can help if needed.
Thats how we do things back home. I know when I kite back home my mates have my back as much I look out for them. (the buddy system) my close mate back home is three times UK senior champ and I have had the pleasure of helping him and others nearly as much as he has helped me.

My point is not that you are a kook but it is oh so simple for people to launch an oversized kite and noone says sh@t to stop you.
Accidents like earlier that day are easily avoidable by talking to people and assessing their ability and advising them.
I have done this in St Kilda, a german dude obviously not knowing what he was doing, I told him his mistake and that the 14 m kite was way too. Big for the 25kn conditions,
His response was I am 120 kg I am fine ok you know nothing. Followed by a bodged hot launch a face plant and sandy mouthfull. I walked back over with my kite still in the air and checked he was ok, followed by of course I'm ok are you stupid.
No I am just concerned for your safety pal I'm not here to f your day up but to make sure you have many more to come.
He said thank you I go home now, wiping the blood away from his fat lip.

Moral of the story is why go on a 12 when you can ride happily on a 9??
I appreciate your circumstance and see where you are at with it. And that's cool. Seriously we have all gone out over stacked at times, not long ago I needed someone to walk me to the water and even when a gust took the two of us up 2 m + I still hit the water but then with just myself and Ewan out how else was I to break the 20 m mark???

Just be aware of your abilities and if you see someone you are not sure of ask them.
After all mate rigging a brand new 12 on a super windy day and a mate taking pics you did seem very noobish.
We all gotta look out for one another out there. I do what I do for the right reasons, I might get a little emotional about it at times but that's just my passion speaking, I'm all up for powered big air riding.
deanrobi
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27 Mar 2011 11:41am
Yeah that was me Port, great session. Was that you on the Blokart/ if it was you were cranking along the coast there, think I saw you change to a smaller sail.
iRideWainman
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27 Mar 2011 4:51pm
Im getting a new 8m soon, cant wait to put it through its paces on a nice 14-17 knot day (80 kg rider), will leave my 12m in the boot of the car. hahhahaha

P.s im selling my 12m guys, show some support and buy it!

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Kitesurfing/Kites/~bkmdq/2011-Wainman-Boss-And-Smoke-12-metre.aspx?search=ex4qxkUdhVKunSvI5xf79g%3d%3d
Taurus
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27 Mar 2011 5:33pm
Thats great, champ.
iRideWainman
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27 Mar 2011 6:50pm
ah ok dude
chino
chino
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28 Mar 2011 12:25am
kitesurfjim said...


Anyone know how the injured dude is???



Apparantly he's the fiancee of a friend's work colleague. Was on the phone with her today and she was like "my friend's fiancee was at St Kilda and broke his hip!" Has to be the same guy.

No idea what his skill level was or what he was riding, but he's a pilot, and he broke his hip and had to get some surgery to get it all fixed. That's all I know.
ewan kite
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28 Mar 2011 12:26am
exarch said...

kitesurfjim said...

I was super powered on an 8 Havoc, some people are so friggin dumb.

there's reaaly something that needs sorting.

some chap launched a 12 rally obviously a brand new kite, after sunset, felt like shouting at the dumb ass.

way too many beginners out today when they should stay at home or watch from the beach.

made it really dangerous trying to jump when your 10m+ up there and some dumb ass decides to turn when downwind without looking.
had to crash quite a few times too many.

also anoying where the plonkers ridng in just messy chop on surf boards riding ankle biters when there were awesome 2-3 ft waves 200 meters away.

otherwise though was really nice to be powered on an 8 again so bored of crappy underpowered 12 weather.


Kitesurf Jim,

i beleive i was the "noob" on the rally, so here comes an ear bashing.

first of all i weigh about 90kg so any of you freking feather weights are going to be overpowered with a trainer on a 5kn day so think before you open your mouth.

secondly being a new kite - yep couldn't half tell - i didn't really want to get the thing wet with rain water as i don't really have anywhere to dry it. again you probably recognised all of this while wresteling your overpowered 8!

if anyone is interested i do have some footage of "my noobieness" and just how clear the skys were coming through when i was setting up and getting going.

in short, i appreciate your concern but and seriously an 8 ?WTF? man grow some cast iron testies and get off the trainer, don't shoot off your dumb mouth and get the sand out of your mangina.


really, 8m, mangina?
first part of this vid, 5m kite, i see no mangina

Saffer
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28 Mar 2011 9:45am
exarch said...

hmmm pro rider jumping bigger than the average punter..... not surprised :P

Jim, i had a 9 in the boot of the car it was just too good an oportunity to not get the brand new toy out and while i agree the conditions were far from perfect i think you would understand

1. new kite + board
2. first time on it
3. okay but far from ideal conditions
4. gunna ride it and not do anything stupid like see just how far i can push it

moral of my story, 9 probably would have been perfect. 12 would have been okay. about 1/2 hour of usable light, hit it but don't be stupid.

i understand your concern, you probably hang around st kilda a fair bit as such you would see all kinds of punters face ploughing the beach and anyone with a new kite and board combo setting up in less favourable conditions would normally deserve a good talking to. as we can tell you clearly kept an eye on things and saw a kite bening managed well enough, there were no stacks, no injuries, no one pushing the envelope and thankfully no noobs hanging around to get their kites tangled in.... hence the less than frequent trips to st kilda on my behalf.... that area is a death trap :P


Its all about understanding risk along with risk to those around you:

1. If you're out on a 12m you're a risk to those around you because you have less margin of error in conditions which have proven to be squally (see injured pilot riding an 11m on the same day - apparently not a beginner like everyone thought)
2. Taking a new kite, any size out is risky enough in squally conditions. Manufacturers are known to get line lengths wrong or basic configs wrong, seen it happen many times before, its what happens in a manufacturing process where they allow for a certain amount of error. Picking a larger new kite when you have a small kite in the car? Well, thats unnecessary risk, its not like there wasn't more wind predicted for the next day that you could have got out on it in mediocre conditions.
3. Did you actually test your safety to see if it worked? I doubt it.
4. You go on about mangina's but kiting is an extreme sport. The one clear difference between kiting and the real extreme sports is that most of the extreme sports junkie's are smart enough to carefully check conditions before they head out. Ever seen how long it takes for guys to plan high risk base jumps? Or the check thats guys go through before hangliding? Its not all about balls, its also about being smart enough to make sure that each session is not your last.

The reality here is that its not only your life you're endangering when you head out overpowered on a kite. Its all the kiters around you along with a variety of people on the beach, and innocent people driving past. Its also kiting you are risking because if you get dragged over the beach and across the road into some cars, kiting will get a bad rap in general and the council starts to wonder whether its a good idea to have kiting within the city limits. Its this exact "I know what I'm doing so I can drive as fast as I want" logic that most hoon drivers use when they break the laws without realising that its not about the risk to themselves. I'm pretty happy if darwin candidates want to go out and remove themselves from the gene pool, the gene pool is so shallow these days that a little more depth would help, but do so in a place where there is no risk to anyone else.
kitesurfjim
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28 Mar 2011 12:04pm
Think this has done it's course now.
Exsearch has already admitted that a 9 would have been a better choice.

Given the circumstances i guess we have and would have done the same, new kites and excitement.

moral of the story is that with the influx of new kiters this year, years gone by and those to come. for the sake of kiting and the general public we need to talk to those who are less experienced and advise them.
Germans are the hardest to talk to as they believe 100kgs of sausages weigh more than 100kgs of meat pies.

as long as we do our bit thats all we can do.

setting an example by flying the right size kite and asking those who you are not sure of.
port
port
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28 Mar 2011 1:02pm
deanrobi said...

Yeah that was me Port, great session. Was that you on the Blokart/ if it was you were cranking along the coast there, think I saw you change to a smaller sail.


Yep certainly was deanrobi wasnt going to miss that days winds i did go down to a 2m sail which is our smallest one where i then did a PB speed (unable to say what it was on public forum).i took photos of my GPS on the phone and posted them to the unfortunate ones that had to work HA HA.
Lebowski
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29 Mar 2011 6:15pm
kitesurfjim said...

Dude on an 11 wrecked on the beach, a beginner with helmet and jacket.

as squall came in.

as said before not a day for kooks or newbs.
hope the guy is ok suspected dislocated / broken hip.

heard a second report that he was on a 14m!!!


I saw it happen and he was on a 14
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