Hi Guys just a quick Q for KBV, Its a honst an open Q I believe needs to be answered?

I was speaking to an industry leader with close contacts to KBV the other day who told me that there was some gossip around that a large commercial, non kite related, potential sponsor backed out of negotiations over sponsorship of the Nationals when they got wind of a certain person being involved.

Dont know who the person was or if its true but I thought I better let people know what is being said.



And another mate of a mate from Altona told me that Kitemag definitely didnt 'force' KBV out. Kitemag simply suggested that for the St Kilda Nationals to work as they had planned them to it would have to be either Kitemag or KBV but couldnt be both. KBV must have thought they couldnt do it alone because they handed it back to Kitemag.

Could it be that the Kitemag people also found they couldnt, or simply didnt want to, work with the KBV crew?

I have no idea but I thought I better ask the question - just so we can all enjoy our kiting more.

Not a member, but if the committee improves, I may consider to join.

Bernie

KBV has nothing to hide - but as was posted to you on the AKSA forum
"KBV is not going to engage in gossip-mongering"
and
"this is also not the correct forum to discuss KBV matters - come to the next meeting (if you are a member) and then we can chat".

All KBV members have the right to inspect KBV documents and to be present at Committee Meetings.

It is not KBV policy to air these (or any other discussion) in a public forum.

HOWEVER: you are not a member - you have been ctirical of KBV in the past - how serious are you now or are simply one of the bloodthirsty bunch on Seabreeze out to get your kicks by attacking anything without any intention of joining up and helping out with some form of positive contribution????

If you are serious then PM me, identify yourself, and we can chat about joining you up so that you do get the answers you seem to want. I hope that at least you are on the KBV contact list that KBV can keep you updated of upcoming events etc and how arrangements are progressing on the Nationals.

We have 30Kts out there - why are you wasting your time on a forum??
Me? I dont have a 7M and am just to scared to get out in 30 Kts gusting to 40 :)

We look forward to your contact and will take it from there.
And by the way, once you join up, you will be welcome to read the Communications Policy in fact it should be posted on the web site if some changes are ratified at the next meeting....

kbv said...

We have 30Kts out there - why are you wasting your time on a forum??
Me? I dont have a 7M and am just to scared to get out in 30 Kts gusting to 40 :)

We look forward to your contact and will take it from there.
And by the way, once you join up, you will be welcome to read the Communications Policy in fact it should be posted on the web site if some changes are ratified at the next meeting....

Yeah I would have liked a kite today, maybe you could talk to my boss and explain that my new love of this sport and it will help me work more efficently.


Thanks Saffer, I was just asking a few Q that I would think would be easily answered, Im not asking for a royal commission into miss managed funds or something, but seriously the funds that were mentioned being spent seems like a lot when you consider that the majority of my future fees is kept by you guys, how many Vic members did it take to fund that trip.

By the way Im not even sure who YOU are behind KBV sign in

Bernie (my name)
12mt Rebel

The KBV login is used by any KBV committee members to make forum announcements on behalf of the committee - who is actually behind the post is irrelevant.

Now to you - lets have some truth out here:

1) You claim in a previous post above to be on the KBV contact list - not true - no Bernie Grieve so either you are not Bernie Grieve or are on the contact list under a different name - which is it and why the discrepancy??

2) You received a PM inviting you to meet over coffee and get the answer you seek. Given the above and the fact that you have decided to reply to the PM with a provocative statement in public - your intent does not appear to be believably serious. Who are you and what are you up to???

Some of the facts you are sprouting are totally incorrect - for one the past President who went to Mackay does not have a family other than his parents and they definitely did not accompany him.

Second, this matter was dealt with by the KBV committee a year ago - and the resolution accounted for some unaviodable last minute issues which the committee felt was reasonable to fund. The resolution also involved agreement to repay the portion expenditure that was considered non-KBV business related - and we are not talking big amounts here.

Third, on the information you seem to have received about a major sponsor withholding sponsorship suggest you recheck with your well-connected source. The information is simply incorrect.
The only communicated "threat" to withhold sponsorship was probably dreamt up by someone who had vested interests and the threat was denied by the organisations concerned (all pretty minor). It was all politics not fact.

Finally, the 2010 Nationals - an events management company is being engaged to run the event which is something the KBV alone might have done anyway. Nothing is "lost" to Kitemag as you suggest - this was all done by agreement and in fact the original proposal to run the event in Victoria was a joint proposal with Kitemag. KBV is confident that these Nationals will be the "best ever" and has committed (in writing) to provide whatever support is requested of KBV. Similarly AKSA is supporting the nationals in the form of some provision for the Judges and related arrangements.

'Nuff said - you have the information.

kbv said...

The KBV login is used by any KBV committee members to make forum announcements on behalf of the committee - who is actually behind the post is irrelevant.

Now to you - lets have some truth out here:

1) You claim in a previous post above to be on the KBV contact list - not true - no Bernie Grieve so either you are not Bernie Grieve or are on the contact list under a different name - which is it and why the discrepancy?? excuse me MR IRRELEVANT but I am on the list and I think Id like to know who you various logins are

2) You received a PM inviting you to meet over coffee and get the answer you seek. Given the above and the fact that you have decided to reply to the PM with a provocative statement in public - your intent does not appear to be believably serious. Who are you and what are you up to???The wording you sent was pretty sarcastic to say the least

Some of the facts you are sprouting are totally incorrect - for one the past President who went to Mackay does not have a family other than his parents and they definitely did not accompany himWhat rubbish, fact is you guys spent approx 62 of your members moneys for a 'Non paid Volunteer' to have a great weekend.

Second, this matter was dealt with by the KBV committee a year ago - and the resolution accounted for some unaviodable last minute issues which the committee felt was reasonable to fund. The resolution also involved agreement to repay the portion expenditure that was considered non-KBV business related You should have said " We agreed with the president to cough up for some money he blew on fun stuff- and we are not talking big amounts hereBreech of constitution.

Third, on the information you seem to have received about a major sponsor withholding sponsorship suggest you recheck with your well-connected source. The information is simply incorrect.
The only communicated "threat" to withhold sponsorship was probably dreamt up by someone who had vested interests and the threat was denied by the organisations concerned (all pretty minor). It was all politics not fact This is not true and you should come out and explain the reason of the backing out of spobsorship, if theres a problem you guys should address it.

Finally, the 2010 Nationals - an events management company is being engaged to run the event which is something the KBV alone might have done anyway. Nothing is "lost" to Kitemag as you suggest - this was all done by agreement and in fact the original proposal to run the event in Victoria was a joint proposal with Kitemag. KBV is confident that these Nationals will be the "best ever" and has committed (in writing) to provide whatever support is requested of KBV. Similarly AKSA is supporting the nationals in the form of some provision for the Judges and related arrangementsAs I thought that KBV with all their bitter fighting cant work towards a goal whithout treading on feet, you guys sure did lose thatr one - eh??.

'Nuff said - you have the information.

Happy Days

Hi local crew, I hope we are getting some of the answers everyone is quering

not nice when an unknown face with inside information attacks you and the association you stand for...especially when they have some interesting and fairly valid points....

Hooky - you know the info, you were there at the time and now you are not on the committee so why dont you just spill the beans and help us all out

1. I am Bernie grieves

2. Your reply on pm was a little rude. But if that's how recruit more memebers than so be it.

Based on 62 members that you keep $35 and the overpriced weekend cost over $2000, then my calculator doesn't lie. Not being a club member yet and perusing over KBV financials whichnare on the website. I would advise to spend more wisely next time.

Anyway I will try to come along to the recruit night and talk in person

thanks to all the pms I recieved but it will all come out in the next wash

Hi pupettonastring. The point I'm trying to make is. I would like to know y it's fair that people can waste money on items an expect members to foot th bill. Iv sat back an watched th finger pointing for way too long, but you can see 'people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'. It also seems that part of their reply was edited by them. Stating that a small amount was agreed upon to reimburse the presidents exp.

Out of curriosity how much does this agm cost each state assoc?

Kbv will not reply as they have stated , which is ok, any member that does not join thois year will prob base their choice on the performance an mis information of th club.

I'd still be interested to know if kitemag will be working with kbv to make a successful event?

Bernie

There are some of us who feel we dont get value for money from our local or the state organisation and either dont need insurance or have some arrangement of our own. Apart from insurance there isnt really much else is there?

So what then is the fuss about???? Surely THIS is the issue.

In NZ for instance, there are no similar kiting organisations - insurance is paid for by taxes and the community just gets on with comps and enjoys the sport. They may be our far-cousins and they may be the target of cross-Tasman ridicule but they dont have these "artificial" complications and are very amused by our aimless effort.

Maybe insurance is to blame???

Maybe AKSA should become a commercial insurance organisation and only have to worry about insurance payment collection, and the state orgs and become clubs which can organise themselves independently and not have to worry about AKSA or the insurance issue??

Thanks George thats some good news to hear its all a go ahead

At the end of the day I personally believe yes its good promo for you to sell more mags=more advertising you can charge for, which is great business.
But this is where I believe there are enough kiters on the water now, I wouldnt like to see hundreds more.

More kiters = more trouble = quick regulation = less kiting spots.

Just my opinion

Bernie

Now KBV why did you spend 60+ of your members funds on a trip??? OOppsss forgot your not talking,even tho my pms are not responded too!!![}:)]

do we have to join kbv to compete in the nationals? or can we join AKSA? Or is it just going to be a simple entry fee?

singsong said...

UPDATE: I posted this question to the AKSA forum and got one constructive answer so far - looks like we may get some big picture and good stuff after all....

Hell, I cant get a genuine response from KBV, you better not hold your breath waiting for this one. I think the moto "Sweep it under the map" should be written into their constitution

Reg
Bernie

Hi, Melbkiter or Bernie, are you the Bernie that used (or maybe still does) kite at Rikkets occasionaly?Talking 03/04 ish Because if you are it will explain a lot to me. if not then your not.

I think that each state association has its place and some people will see the value in joining - others wont. It depends where you kite, what assets you personally have, what level you want to ride at etc.

as is the case with most things you get out what you put in.....

With regards to Erics post- I think that the kbv login is important as it shows the organisations viewpoint- it is not hiding, it is distinguishing between the associations views and individuals.

Many will notice that alot of the trouble on these forums recently has been caused by anonymous logins or made up names. That is the problem with internet forums and why you should take the time to go to the beach and speak to committee members before making any judgement. What you see in the forums rarely relates to what is happening on the beach !