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MorningBird
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19 Oct 2012 8:17pm
Unfortunately my crew for Lord Howe has had to pull out. I can go solo but would prefer company. Anybody interested?
crookeye
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19 Oct 2012 10:48pm
Hey Morningbird,
sure i'm interested
When/where were you planning departure?
What would I need to bring?
Regards
crookeye

MorningBird
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21 Oct 2012 7:21pm
G'day crookeye. I sent you an email, can you let me know whether you got it?
Ramona
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22 Oct 2012 8:29am
Keep your eye out for that Petersen 36, must be getting closer to Lord Howe by now!
MorningBird
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22 Oct 2012 6:25pm
Salvage rights. Does anybody know where he was when rescued and what date?
slainte
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22 Oct 2012 6:06pm
From memory was rescued 3 or 4 ays ago and was 500 k east of Sydney roughly
www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-couldnt-believe-it-rescued-yachtsman-glenn-200-nautical-miles-from-where-he-thought-he-was-20121018-27s9p.html
MorningBird
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22 Oct 2012 8:36pm
Looking at the CSIRO site on currents it will be drifting to NZ at 25nm a day. If I end up there I'll need salvaging. Not saying it can't happen, but I hope not.
cisco
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22 Oct 2012 9:50pm


Surely the guy had a GPS aboard.

GPS like RACQ or NRMA, wouldn't leave home without it.
MorningBird
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22 Oct 2012 11:32pm
Got me stuffed how he did it. Not only is it strange he didn't know where he was when GPS and chartplotters are $14.95 on your phone. The current out there is only 1/2 to 1 kt so that didn't cause him to get 270nm offshore if he was motoring or trying to get to the coast.
There is probably more to this than appears at first glance.
SandS
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22 Oct 2012 11:44pm
Interesting how the Canadian passenger jet diverted to the location to help find him !

That's teamwork !!!!
slainte
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22 Oct 2012 11:00pm
Dosen,t mention it but am wondering if he was knocked out for a while. Dare say his electrics fried when he got knocked down and demasted. Then again he may be old school and just use paper charts
Toph
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22 Oct 2012 9:04pm
He set off on Thursday 4th and "hit a storm more then a week later", so lets say on Saturday 13th. That gives him a 1.5 to 2 days of motoring at 6 kts to cover the unexplained 200 nm travelled if he motored in the wrong direction.

Just saying it is plausable.....
LooseChange
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23 Oct 2012 12:34am
SandS said...
Interesting how the Canadian passenger jet diverted to the location to help find him !

That's teamwork !!!!


It didn't divert of its own volition, it did so at the directive from AMSA, as did the Air NZ A320
Ramona
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23 Oct 2012 8:40am
He was 260 miles East of Wollongong when he activated his epirb.

He is a Queenslander and was sailing his yacht from Pittwater to Eden. The yacht which looks like the Petersen 36 "Reactor" that is advertised in the current Afloat magazine for $24,000, cold molded oregon, a gift!
Apparently headed down the coast about 70 miles out when he encountered the dreaded "Freak wave". Yacht rolled and snapped mast into 3. Dury rigged a mast out what appears to be a spinnaker pole and spent several days attempting to close the coast. When his fuel ran out fired off epirb.
What we know is he likes custard tarts and flavoured milk and he ran out of petrol, according to the TV reports. Also he may have circumnavigated previously and is a South African! From the video shown its a well fitted IOR racer with no windvane steering and I'm guessing headsails on a foil system. Singlehanded it would have been a handful to reduce sail.
What I would like to know is why the yacht was not towed in at the time. Police boat was here the last couple of days [the really big one] but I'm not sure what they were up to.
Pittwater to Eden is a fairly easy trip coastal with plenty of stop over places. I guess we will have to wait for the follow up report that we will get just after the one about the lost SS34. Armchair sailors want answers!
MorningBird
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23 Oct 2012 10:36pm
Not sure if anybody has received any news of the S&S34 that sank off Byron Bay a few months back. I received a text from the skipper a couple of months ago.
The boat suffered a savage knockdown at about midnight and started taking a lot of water. The two crew bailed all night and couldn't find the point of ingress in the dark and with the bailing workload.
The leak was so bad they couldn't stop bailing for very long.
Having set off the epirb the rescue helo arrived at first light. Just as it arrived he found the leak which was from the rudder shaft tube/gland and he felt could have been stemmed adequately to remain afloat. However, at that point he was committed to going with the rescue so had to abandon the boat.
It sank soon after.
How the rudder shaft tube/gland became damaged and what the damage was I can only speculate. Looking at my boat with the same set up, I suppose it was possible the rudder and tiller were slammed hard over in the knockdown and the shaft was displaced enough to break the tube around the rudder shaft. The skeg hung rudder is immensely strong and the gland is normally above the water line. However the lower pintle bearings do wear and maybe there was enough wear to allow the shaft to be displaced.
Many S&S34s have a sail drive under the cockpit making it difficult to see and get to the rudder shaft, I'm not sure whether this boat had that setup. My engine is in the middle of the boat.
The Association members I spoke to have never heard of this type of damage to an S&S34.
The first S&S34 to sink at sea and from such unusual damage. Another spot to look at if you have water coming in.
cisco
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23 Oct 2012 11:41pm
^^^ Thanks for that John. Something to keep an eye on.

I would love to be able to join you on the Lord Howe trip but I am busy preparing my S&S 34 for her next voyage which will be from the Burnett Heads Marina yard which closes down early next year, to my back yard.

The first step is to build a cradle like this one below.

cisco
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23 Oct 2012 11:50pm
For some reason I can only get one pic into a post.

cisco
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24 Oct 2012 12:12am
Flexi head.

MorningBird
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24 Oct 2012 7:47pm
Looks good Pete. Do you plan a refit?
cisco
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24 Oct 2012 10:21pm
MorningBird said...
Do you plan a refit?


Do I plan a refit??? That was a given when I bought her.

MorningBird
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3 Nov 2012 7:19pm
The boatyard found the fuel tank leak, old sealant in the filler connection, and the fuel tank is back in but yet to be filled to test it. My new prop arrived in Sydney with the wrong nut so one is now to be delivered on Monday from Melbourne.

Hopefully it will all come together because the Seabreeze forecast winds for ETD on Wed till Friday look to be ideal for getting to Lord Howe.

The EAC is about 110nm off the coast so Wednesdays NNE 15-20kt wind will take me out to the current by Thur morning, about 20-30nm south of track. The wind won't be against the current so shouldn't be too uncomfortable.

On Thur morning the wind goes NNW, with the current, so I can track NE although with the EAC about 2kt to the SE I'll track about parallel to the required course for a day.

Then on Friday the wind goes south so I can achieve a CMG of whatever I need to get back on or north of the track. I'll be out of the EAC by then so won't have the southerly wind fighting the southerly set. In fact I should have a northerly set by then going in the same direction as the wind.

What are the odds the boat will be ready and the weather stays as forecast?
cisco
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4 Nov 2012 6:53am
Keep anybody by the name of Murphy well away from you and you will be OK.

Fair winds and following seas. best of luck and keep us posted.
Ramona
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4 Nov 2012 8:34am
The BOM forecasts for the middle of the week are appalling. Have a look at Buoyweather.com and find the appropriate buoys for the area your interested in. I use the one off the South coast and when I was droplining found these forecasts the most accurate.
MorningBird
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4 Nov 2012 11:59am
Graham, I can only get a two day forecast on the Buoyweather site. How do you get a longer one?
The BOM don't do weather far enough out to affect me yet. The major problem out there for me is when there is a decent breeze against the current. Its rough, slows you down and is bloody uncomfortable.
Getting a usable open ocean forecast isn't easy. The BOM ones cover such a big area and are so general they are useless for sailors.
The Seabreeze forecast, noting it is coastal, shows when fronts are coming through and approximate strength. The weather map is used to determine wind speed and strength at sea.
Ramona
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4 Nov 2012 6:20pm
MorningBird said...
Graham, I can only get a two day forecast on the Buoyweather site. How do you get a longer one?
The BOM don't do weather far enough out to affect me yet. The major problem out there for me is when there is a decent breeze against the current. Its rough, slows you down and is bloody uncomfortable.
Getting a usable open ocean forecast isn't easy. The BOM ones cover such a big area and are so general they are useless for sailors.
The Seabreeze forecast, noting it is coastal, shows when fronts are coming through and approximate strength. The weather map is used to determine wind speed and strength at sea.


Subscribe. It used to be free. I find locally the Bom forecasts are pretty spot on. Seabreeze is OK for showing a trend but are always well under the actual conditions we are experiencing by quite a margin.
MorningBird
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4 Nov 2012 7:18pm
I used to find Seabreeze about right and the BOM forecasting well above the wind experienced. I reckon the BOM were gun shy after the 98 S2H and over estimated the wind to cover themselves. I now find them both quite accurate. If either say 15 - 20 kts that is what I experience.
Wed is still looking ok for departure with northerlies. I should make 060T.
Thursday and Fri not good when I want to cross the EAC, and a hefty southerly later on Saturday. By then I expect I'll need to get north so at least the southerly will be favorable.
I was working on a 4 day passage, it might be a bit longer if I end up south of where I want to be.
I need to get the boat sorted first. Everything is lined up for tomorrow but boats have a mind of there own so I am a bit apprehensive that she will be ready.
MorningBird
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5 Nov 2012 9:02am
The weather is now not shaping up too well. Strongish nor easters nearly all week with the southerly not due until the weekend, as late as late Sunday.
With the need to keep north of the sea mounts I'm hoping for a change in the forecast.
Bugger. All the preparation and Hughie might stop me getting there before the Tuesday BBQ.
Ramona
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5 Nov 2012 6:21pm
MorningBird said...
The weather is now not shaping up too well. Strongish nor easters nearly all week with the southerly not due until the weekend, as late as late Sunday.
With the need to keep north of the sea mounts I'm hoping for a change in the forecast.
Bugger. All the preparation and Hughie might stop me getting there before the Tuesday BBQ.


The Bom forecast has been for howlers all week. Locally the forecast is down to 30 knots tomorrow and 25 knots the rest of the week. Its 25 to 30 in my front yard now. Seabreeze forecast is showing a maximum of 15 knots for the rest of the week! Head off with that forecast.
MorningBird
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5 Nov 2012 10:27pm
Seabreeze is coastal so has local effects. I have been looking at Weatherzone as well. I can't see much probability of anything around 30kts and max looks about 25.
It will be on the nose or a bit north so we will need to tack north before getting to the sea mounts. Should be able to take advantage of the northerly set about 200nm out.
My new prop is on and prop speeded, back in the water tomorrow first up. The fuel tank might still have a weep. Check in the morning and decide then whether to explore further or ignore it and go. It is proving hard to fix, tank passed the pressure test. Might be breather!!
Ramona
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6 Nov 2012 8:24am
Current is fresh down here even in fairly close, over 2 knots. Few feet of headsail, engage Fleming vane and steer Easterly. All the best for when you head off.
MorningBird
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6 Nov 2012 7:51pm
Fuel tank is weeping. Ignoring it.
Need to get the stern gland nipped up in the morning, haven't touched it for two years and it is too stiff.
Currently on my mooring in Pittwater, blowing hard this afternoon, gusts to 32 knots. Forecast is better for tomorrow.
Otherwise the new prop is great and we are ready to go.
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