Owning a boat is like a leaky bucket?

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keensailor
keensailor
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3 Aug 2015 1:27pm
I love sailing and I love my boat, and I even enjoy working on it, but I am coming into our third year of ownership and I am starting to realise that there will always be something to fix and spend money on.

This will be fine for a while but I can see a time when it will get wearing, both physically, mentally and financially. Its not like I have'nt done a lot of work already and over capitalised no doubt. Work to this date;

Northshore 27 - 1984

- had new standing rigging installed (wires, turn buckles, new Furlex furler) - had rigger do work
- had new sails made, main and jib - sail maker did that
- repainted mast and boom with International paint
- installed Hella LEDs; anchor light, steaming light, nav lights, internal cabin lights
- re-wired whole boat and installed new circuit breaker
- had fully reconditioned motor installed
- installed good stereo with amp
- removed 20 litre SS fuel tank and had steam cleaned and re-installed
- installed new toilet
- installed temp gauge and bilge pump
- installed new boot around sail drive
- installed new solar panel, regulator, battery monitor
- installed new VHF
- installed new hatch
- installed new diesel stop solenoid
- installed new latch for front hatch
- removed 60 litre SS water tank, cleaned and re-installed with connection to galley sink pump
- installed galley sink pump
- check head bolt tensions, replaced engine oil, fuel filters etc

Now just in the last month a sail slug on new main has broken, the line has pulled out of the Furler and I am trying to sus out some leaks. In addition I have noticed a change in the note of the exhaust due to less cooling water flowing, suspect it might be either the impeller or some scaling.

Please someone give me some inspiration to go on ;-)
aus005
aus005
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3 Aug 2015 1:51pm
cheer up mate sounds like you have already done the big ticket items
andy59
andy59
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3 Aug 2015 2:15pm
Pretty soon you will have done everything that could possibly be done to your boat. Then you can sit back and enjoy the fruits of your labour without having to do any maintenance for at least 6 months

keensailor
keensailor
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3 Aug 2015 2:21pm
andy59 said..
Pretty soon you will have done everything that could possibly be done to your boat. Then you can sit back and enjoy the fruits of your labour without having to do any maintenance for at least 6 months




That's it exactly!
And thats what scares me ;)
twodogs1969
twodogs1969
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3 Aug 2015 6:19pm
Keensailer
Your only an amateur (joke)
I brought my boat at easter i knew I needed electronics so i have just spent over $8000 on them.
Owned the boat for a two weeks we had the April storm another boat dragged it's mooring and hooked up to mine yes insurance paid for the damage he did but you can't paint just one side and you can't get 30 year old toe rail so i had to pay for the other side for both.
Pre purchase survey done supposed motor and fridge both working well nothing wrong well i have now replaced compressor on fridge and new motor and sail drive.
The boat is an ex charter so only had head sail halyard so i got a spinnaker halyard and spinnaker pole.
andy59
andy59
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3 Aug 2015 6:48pm
Don't worry you will forget all the pain after a few days of sailing. Besides, what else would you be doing with your time and money?
SandS
SandS
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3 Aug 2015 8:22pm


its the old saying "a boat is like a big hole in-the water that that you throw money into "
DrRog
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3 Aug 2015 9:48pm
I feel your pain, NSW. Actually, I feel mine but it's similar to yours. I'm 3 years in also and have done more than is one your list and spent far too much. Far too much from what I envisaged and far too much to sell because I'll never get the money back. So that means... I'm committed to keeping her for the long term, maintaining and upgrading as I go, and enjoying as much as possible.

Yes, I'm afraid of the future expenses but I have almost all the big items (all except re-painting the hull). I've considered cutting my losses but then I look within and ask myself that question and the plain truth is that I just can't go back. If I sold her I'd... Well, I could I suppose. I could even be happy. But something would be missing. I have too many more miles to sail, skills to learn, whales to see, fish to eat, beaches to swim, weather to handle, places to discover, sunsets and rises, moonlit sails.... ah, the dreams, the dreams.

How long since you've had a good sail? We've had a crap autumn and winter until recently so I suspect you've not been out much. Plenty of whales around at the moment - there's even one in Middle Harbour!

And in 4 months it'll be December!
cisco
cisco
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3 Aug 2015 11:25pm

It is like my good ole mate was saying today. He has had his Adams 31 now for nearly 31 years and now that he has everything just the way he wants it (not......ever. ), he can't sell it and buy another boat because he would have to do it all over again.
LMY
LMY
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3 Aug 2015 11:37pm
Yep, they are expensive toys. For most of us they are also old. What else that is mechanical / electrical do you own that was new in 1984 and still works?

Kmowing we are not alone helps, my list of new gear over the last five years

Anchor winch
anchor chain
standing rigging
service and paint mast
new main
new jib
fuel tank out of the boat, steam clean, reparir leaks
new prop
Wind, log, depth instruments
new back stay tensioner
new cabin side windows
steering pedestal
electric toilet
holding tank
bathroom taps / shower
shower sump pump
gas oven
hot water heater
refridgeration unit
stereo
VHF radio
battery charger and shore power set up
solar panels and regulator (two regulators, the first failed just out of warranty)
switch pannels
auto pilot
chart plotter
and finally, significant osmosis repair, out of the water for three months, peel and reglass with epoxy.

However, I started this work with a fair understanding of what was required and I now think of my 1989 boat as pretty much new, except for the hull and engine. I am putting aside $ to replace the engine, when required.
cisco
cisco
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3 Aug 2015 11:51pm
LMY said..
Yep, they are expensive toys. For most of us they are also old. What else that is mechanical / electrical do you own that was new in 1984 and still works?




It is all original with 320,000 klm on the clock.





DrRog
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3 Aug 2015 11:54pm
That's a good one, Cisco. 31 years, just the way he likes it. Blimey.
LMY
LMY
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4 Aug 2015 12:08am
OK, Cosco 1, Me zero.
HG02
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4 Aug 2015 7:25am
Owning a boat to me is transforming a machine to be an physical extension of yourself and your purpose and goals
Be it comforts , Safety and its sailing ability. and more. This also means for what purpose your crafting your vessel for , racing , cruising or a weekenda
Lazzz
Lazzz
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4 Aug 2015 9:04am
HG02 said..
Owning a boat to me is transforming a machine to be an physical extension of yourself and your purpose and goals
Be it comforts , Safety and its sailing ability. and more. This also means for what purpose your crafting your vessel for , racing , cruising or a weekenda


Totally agree HG

My list since buying this boat 16 months ago:

- DVD, Radio CD Player
- 3000w Inverter inc 50A Batt Charger
- S/H Chartplotter
- Genset
- VHF/AIS Radio
- 100A Alternator
- Tank Monitoring System
- Lexon windows for Targa
- S/H Anchor & chain
- Pushpit & davits installed
- Solar Panels 2x200w+1x120w + Solar Controller
- Bimini
- BBQ
- Windlass
- S/H Seldon Single line Reefing Boom
- Non Slip to 1/2 decks
- S/H mast with sails
- Octopus auto pilot linear drive
- 140 Depth Instrument

The big thing for me was getting it in the water & home 10 months ago.
DrRog
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4 Aug 2015 10:05am
Are we helping or making it worse, Keen?
keensailor
keensailor
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4 Aug 2015 11:55am
It has been good therapy to hear everyones stories, especially your bit ;)

I am feeling better now as we have started to make plans for a sail north to Whitsundays in a years time!

Hopefully all the work will pay off.
theace
theace
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4 Aug 2015 3:02pm
Check this out cisco,1976 model just ticked over 300,000 three weeks ago.Ive owned it since new.


andy59
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4 Aug 2015 3:37pm
theace said..
Check this out cisco,1976 model just ticked over 300,000 three weeks ago.Ive owned it since new.



that is uber cool
MichaelR
MichaelR
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4 Aug 2015 3:52pm
Keen, I know how you feel.
I have a 1982 Top Hat, that I vowed to never let get into a worse condition than it was when we bought it. So far we've succeeded and she's actually functionally better, but not so cosmetically, she's pretty much the same.
On the weekend, I realised the only maintenance I've done in over a year is the slip/antifoul. She currently needs the following.
Full paint job - but I don't really think that will happen any time soon.
Complete interior re-fit - to make it more aesthetically pleasing, but everything works as intended - see above
New sails, but the ones I have work well enough for our needs.
Repair to the boom bag, as the zipper stitching is failing
Varnish the toe rails
Varnish the companionway
Varnish the coach roof grab rails
Rust proof the "harbour bridge" mast step.

I also have a 1982 Harley Sturgis model. Over the last three years I've completely rebuilt the engine, gearbox and had the tin work re-painted. I still need to do the wheels, handlebars and various other smaller items that are showing their age.

Then there is the 1989 VW Caravelle (Kombi to the un-initiated) It's got 401,000 km on the clock. Since I bought it two years ago, I've replaced the starter, a muffler, fuel pump, front brake rotors and wheel bearings, tie rods, rear main seal, two oil pressure switches, throttle body, alternator, and re-built the CV axle joints. Not to mention the on-going rust patching, until I get enough time to paint her properly.

Finally, the lady wife and I are extending the house. As an owner builder. This should take about three months, but I'd lay odds on it taking at least double that by the time we actually get it finished.




crustysailor
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4 Aug 2015 4:49pm
Hey Cisco and the Ace, I 'll see your 1984 and raise you a 1971.
First car I ever bought, just cleaned the engine bay up a bit on the weekend.
Still insured and registered.
Doesn't go that fast, or stop that well, but sounds good!
Balanced, blueprinted, extractors, GT cam. All the things you used to do before boats.







Ramona
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4 Aug 2015 7:17pm
Bought this Fiat 850 coupe new in 1970, only new car I have ever bought. Panels in the fore ground are epoxy/'glass.
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cisco
cisco
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4 Aug 2015 7:22pm
DrRog said..
That's a good one, Cisco. 31 years, just the way he likes it. Blimey.


No not Blimey!! He comes from ole Blighty but we call him Blaney.
cisco
cisco
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4 Aug 2015 7:25pm
LMY said..
OK, Cosco 1, Me zero.


Ah, who's keeping score but it looks like I started something with cars bikes etc.
cisco
cisco
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4 Aug 2015 7:28pm
theace said..
Check this out cisco,1976 model just ticked over 300,000 three weeks ago.Ive owned it since new.



I had a short ride on one of those many moons ago and I thought it was the most comfortable bike I had ever sat on.
Ben405
Ben405
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4 Aug 2015 7:37pm
So thought i would add my 10 cents worth, 72 mustang 3 year build, and going very strong, sold my last mustang and bought my boat. so all good,
That is one very tidy Capri Crustysailor


MorningBird
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4 Aug 2015 7:46pm




I am 10 years into MB and am now starting to have to redo the stuff I did 10 years ago. I am finding it fairly soul destroying. Gee I feel like I just did it and now have to do it again. The rigging needs to be done next year if I am to continue serious offshore sailing. This year might be my last for Lord Howe.

I can raise you all on other toys for time and money. I have owned this since Feb 1976. Took it to the historics at Winton in June. Use it all the time, when I am at home.

Bananabender
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4 Aug 2015 8:07pm
MorningBird said..




I am 10 years into MB and am now starting to have to redo the stuff I did 10 years ago. I am finding it fairly soul destroying. Gee I feel like I just did it and now have to do it again. The rigging needs to be done next year if I am to continue serious offshore sailing. This year might be my last for Lord Howe.

I can raise you all on other toys for time and money. I have owned this since Feb 1976. Took it to the historics at Winton in June. Use it all the time, when I am at home.



Oh my goodness STOP IT. I have had over 40 cars and bikes including 4 911's ,64' mustang fastback GT and 75 Ducati 750 BUT I always wanted a TR2
HG02
HG02
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4 Aug 2015 9:04pm
Ramona said..
Bought this Fiat 850 coupe new in 1970, only new car I have ever bought. Panels in the fore ground are epoxy/'glass.
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Not sure if you ever saw one Ramona but back in the 60's in elizabeth street Melbourne I saw a Fait Lombardi in a show room only one I ever saw in the flesh fiat 850 running gear
crustysailor said..
Hey Cisco and the Ace, I 'll see your 1984 and raise you a 1971.
First car I ever bought, just cleaned the engine bay up a bit on the weekend.
Still insured and registered.
Doesn't go that fast, or stop that well, but sounds good!
Balanced, blueprinted, extractors, GT cam. All the things you used to do before boats.








We used to put Hillman pistons in those cross flow motors can remember getting low13 second quarter mile out of one of those in a old Angula two door at calder back in the late 60's opps showing my age.
One of my many harleys years ago won best Australian custom back in the late 80's early 90's hand built guards and tank 1970 police special modded with 50s' drop saddle frame Id still say it may be the only Harley in the world with a ratchet gear box running a rear wheel belt drive with a juice back end including the Hydraulic brake
My other favorite was a 1952 Vincent series C rapid which I imported from the UK off the Original Vincent workers Test rider Ted Davies
Unfortunately for me all my old photos of those days are gone .


The first mono shock motor cycle design by and Aussie . Beautiful alloy there were made out of melted down war plane from world war 2 Aluminium these days is not like this was made out they lost the recipe . This one not mine but if you gave it a handful shes do 115 mile an hour smooth as

My passion now would be build a container home on a nice beach bush block some where up north



a self contained solar house you can always dream




crustysailor
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4 Aug 2015 9:18pm
what a nice collection of bikes and cars, I'd be happy with a Mustang, Fiat 850 or TR.

I won't feel guilty now not posting anything on the 'what did you do on you boat today' when I've been out in the shed because its too cold down on the boat.
HG I don't know how you do it during winter.

Maybe we sneak a garage update shot in the boat thread once in a while.
HG02
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4 Aug 2015 9:28pm
crustysailor said..
what a nice collection of bikes and cars, I'd be happy with a Mustang, Fiat 850 or TR.

I won't feel guilty now not posting anything on the 'what did you do on you boat today' when I've been out in the shed because its too cold down on the boat.
HG I don't know how you do it during winter.

Maybe we sneak a garage update shot in the boat thread once in a while.


The only other thing I like that I made was a Ducati Panta 600 there heads were all welded up and ported and polished cams pistons a mono shock frame from italy, white shocks , Die mag wheels from the UK they were not for high way use you could hold them up with one finger they were that like

My Masts will be home here soon so Ill be out there for a few weeks stripping , rubbing and sanding. I do remember saying to my self its not as cold as the west coast of Tassy in winter
Ive cut the fridge bench top bamboo to size . I have to visit the boat to get the fridge door measurements before I can continue .
Plus my anchor winch is in the mail ( freight truck)
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