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Ramona
Ramona
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23 Jul 2015 8:59am
MorningBird said..
My offer to come out on my boat still stands, or you get me or someone else to come out on your boat.

In the meantime I think you will get yourself into real strife out on Pittwater with your current level of expertise. Pittwater has swirling and gusty wind conditions, especially around Careel Bay, and you will end up gybing or wearing something on your or the missus head. Even small boats have lots of power when the wind gets up.

I think it would be a very good move to spend a few bob and do a Competent Crew course if you can't get a lesson from someone else.

I expect you will have the basics by the time I'm back, but I would be happy to take you out on my boat anyway just because I like doing it.


I think you should take up Morningbirds offer to show you the basics. On the South coast I would make the same offer. Plenty of pensioners about who would offer their services I'm sure. The important thing is to not scare the Missus!
Datawiz
Datawiz
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23 Jul 2015 9:24am
Sam,
I'm with Ramona on that - it's critical you don't scare the missus. It's usually irreversible if you do.
Regards,
Allan
samsturdy
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23 Jul 2015 10:01am


Thanks guys you're all legends. MB what a gentleman you are. If we can make it work, it's a wonderful offer, thank you.
The bowline knots are not very big, I think the trouble lies with the fact that the sail is so large that when tacking the
sail is literally dragged around the shrouds and mast. It snags on the leeward shrouds because I'm trying to haul it in
before the wind takes it out of control. Make sense????.
I have seen what appears to be conduit on some boats shrouds, does this rotate as the sail goes over it and would this
alleviate my problem do you think.
Don't scare the Missus, Oh yeah, I'm with everyone on that score.
Yara
Yara
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23 Jul 2015 10:35am
Really sounds like you are using a large jib, and that is not a good way to start. Better to use only the main as a starter sail, as mentioned here before. You could even start with a reefed main. You will be underpowered, and it will not go to windward very well, but it is the easiest to start with. Then add a small jib. Do you have one? Small is jib easier to tack.
samsturdy
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23 Jul 2015 12:34pm


No Yara I don't have a smaller sail. However, looking at the furler it seems to be a proper good one although
I haven't located a name on it yet. So would I be able to reef this headsail??. If I wind it up half way and cleat
it off, would it stay there, or would it all go pear shape when I tack.??.
Yara
Yara
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23 Jul 2015 1:59pm
samsturdy said..


No Yara I don't have a smaller sail. However, looking at the furler it seems to be a proper good one although
I haven't located a name on it yet. So would I be able to reef this headsail??. If I wind it up half way and cleat
it off, would it stay there, or would it all go pear shape when I tack.??.


Sam,
If the sail fits in a groove in an extrusion along the whole of the luff, then you should be able to reef it by rolling it in. It will, however, lose efficiency, but at this stage that should not be a problem. Learning this way by slow question and answer is very inefficient. You will advance at a much quicker rate if you take up the offers of other skippers to go out with you.
samsturdy
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23 Jul 2015 4:21pm


OK Yara, thanks. will look at the furler a bit closer but in my head it is as you say fitted into a groove.
The comment re. going out with other skippers. I will take up MB's offer (if we can make it happen).
It doesn't matter if my learning takes time, I have time. And there is a joy in nutting it out for yourself
and putting it into action and actually achieving it (albeit based on asking the forum a million questions)
but I like the idea of taking you all along with me on the journey. Maybe you can remember yours. Unless
it was really scary of course.
So don't worry about me and the Missus, we're doing just fine....... Just keep answering the questions.

Ramona
Ramona
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23 Jul 2015 7:30pm
samsturdy said..


Thanks guys you're all legends. MB what a gentleman you are. If we can make it work, it's a wonderful offer, thank you.
The bowline knots are not very big, I think the trouble lies with the fact that the sail is so large that when tacking the
sail is literally dragged around the shrouds and mast. It snags on the leeward shrouds because I'm trying to haul it in
before the wind takes it out of control. Make sense????.
I have seen what appears to be conduit on some boats shrouds, does this rotate as the sail goes over it and would this
alleviate my problem do you think.
Don't scare the Missus, Oh yeah, I'm with everyone on that score.


I use 20mm plastic conduit over an inner stay. It rotates on Delrin bushes. My genoa sheets have eyes on the ends and they attach to the genoa clew by a soft shackle like these; http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3mm-10mm-Dyneema-Soft-Shackles-Hampidjan-Dynex75-Various-Sizes-Strengths-/252033291346?var=&hash=item3aae5ad452. I think mine are 5mm and 75mm long. At the base of the shrouds I have a short piece of 14mm braid wrapped around to prevent the sheets getting caught. On the foredeck I made a fibre glass inverted dish cover to go over the deck bollard so the sheets don't get caught when tacking.
I often sail up the river putting in a lot of tacks solo and the last thing I want is the sheets snagging.
MorningBird
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24 Jul 2015 6:55am
Samsturdy, I am not back in Oz until mid September. If you can get someone else in the meantime please do. We can go out when I get back.
To make you lot jealous I am currently in Hvar, Croatia on the Dalmation coast. We were in Dubrovnik and Korcula over the past week.
I'm not sailing this time around but this is fantastic sailing country. Enclosed waters, no 8 metre seas, beautiful ports with relatively inexpensive food and provisions. One day I hope to come back and get a yacht.
Ramona, Woody Oxlade has one of his two yachts, a Beneteau 44 I think, based here or in Cyprus/Malta permanently. He has a bit more money than me I suspect. He posted on FB this morning he had just rounded the heel of Italy on his way up here. His other yacht is at the Middle Harbour Yacht Club.
Life is a bitch for some.
samsturdy
samsturdy
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24 Jul 2015 11:16am

You lucky thing MB, it's as cold as the inside of a fridge here. You'll get back just when it's warming up. There's a fellow further
up the creek (no jokes) named bruce who gives us a wave as he goes by, he stopped by yesterday and offered to sail with us.
He's building a boat right now but has sailed single handed to New Zealand (he is a Kiwi) and I think he might be a handy guy
to know.

Ramona, I think the conduit thing will do the trick. The boat has been set up by the previous owner for racing (so I've been told)
which may explain sail size. So as long as I can ease the headsail around the shrouds it should make tacking trouble free.
You can imagine what it was like trying to get the sail round an inner stay. No wonder I used to get in a tangle.
Yara
Yara
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24 Jul 2015 11:46am
Note that with a smaller jib you will need some mainsail, otherwise you will not be able sail to windward.
samsturdy
samsturdy
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24 Jul 2015 1:00pm


OK Yara, noted. I think I'll stick with what I've got and get around the shroud problem somehow because with the current
headsail I can sail to windward. Thanks for all the input, you're a champion.
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
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26 Jul 2015 11:45am
When you must tack often using a large head sail it perhaps would be wise to remove the cutter stay?
With a genoa you would only need it to bend your storm sail. Until then it is only obstruction.
Mine has a 4:1 purchase on it and one can stiffen it still with the back stay (and -or runners).

samsturdy
samsturdy
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26 Jul 2015 2:57pm
sirgallivant said..
When you must tack often using a large head sail it perhaps would be wise to remove the cutter stay?
With a genoa you would only need it to bend your storm sail. Until then it is only obstruction.
Mine has a 4:1 purchase on it and one can stiffen it still with the back stay (and -or runners).



Just a bit too technical for me sir. When sailing up Pittwater in a Northerly quite a few tacks are needed and the inner stay
definately was an obstruction. In the thread 'Attention all Walker H28's' Donk posted a pic of a H28 under sail, well my
headsail is about the same size. You can see how far past the mast the clew is, so this has now created the problem of
the clew snagging on the shrouds as the sail goes through the wind.
A boat close by must have the same problem. The owner has got electrical conduit, somehow split it lengthways and
put it the shrouds. It seems that as the clew passes over the shroud the conduit turns and runs the clew over it.
I'm going to do the same thing. I just haven't figured out how to split the conduit yet.
CanAussie14
CanAussie14
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26 Jul 2015 1:53pm
Sam, don't split the conduit, it will catch. You will need to separate the stay from the chain plate, thread it through the conduit and then reset the stay. 15min job :)
samsturdy
samsturdy
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26 Jul 2015 4:07pm

OK CA, got that. It will have to be a bigger dia conduit to do that but that's OK. Thanks.
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