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Would you go out on your yacht if there was no wind

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Created by Donk107 1 month ago, 16 Jun 2019
Shanty
QLD, 398 posts
18 Jun 2019 7:05PM
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Shanty said..


shaggybaxter said..
This is a follow up video to the Lake Geneva storm cell, taken from another boat. This looks every bit of the 60 knots recorded at the time.
Go to 5:45 for all hell breaking loose, but the whole 7 mins is well worth watching.
Hope its a bloody big lake.

Hope the reverse thread drift is ok Don, it's just such a cool video.
And it reminds me of a Tassie idea of a storm.



What do you reckon, dug the nose in?




Yeah definitely, anyone else think the boat went arse
over tit at the end? Then I realised the spinnaker pole came off



G'day Shanty,
Morpho is a Grand Surprise, so assymetrical kites. The last minute of the video is the rig coming down, poor sods.


Sorry for my error as you know I'm not a "Big Boat" sailor (yet). The rig coming down makes sense as well. I think I have been reading to much on S&s 34s and Top Hats with spinnaker poles. Thanks for clearing that up
Regards,
Mick

EC31
NSW, 406 posts
18 Jun 2019 7:32PM
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I think they were running a poled headsail, judging from the crewman on the foredeck after the spinnaker came in. Probably pulled the mast forward at the ring when the boat nose dived.

Needed hiking straps off the back......

shaggybaxter
QLD, 1670 posts
18 Jun 2019 7:33PM
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Shanty said..

shaggybaxter said..


Shanty said..



shaggybaxter said..
This is a follow up video to the Lake Geneva storm cell, taken from another boat. This looks every bit of the 60 knots recorded at the time.
Go to 5:45 for all hell breaking loose, but the whole 7 mins is well worth watching.
Hope its a bloody big lake.

Hope the reverse thread drift is ok Don, it's just such a cool video.
And it reminds me of a Tassie idea of a storm.



What do you reckon, dug the nose in?





Yeah definitely, anyone else think the boat went arse
over tit at the end? Then I realised the spinnaker pole came off




G'day Shanty,
Morpho is a Grand Surprise, so assymetrical kites. The last minute of the video is the rig coming down, poor sods.



Sorry for my error as you know I'm not a "Big Boat" sailor (yet). The rig coming down makes sense as well. I think I have been reading to much on S&s 34s and Top Hats with spinnaker poles. Thanks for clearing that up
Regards,
Mick


Nothing to apologise for Mick, I only know what boat it was from the original news article.
This is another shot of the boat getting hammered in the earlier vid I think.





Shanty
QLD, 398 posts
18 Jun 2019 7:34PM
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shaggybaxter said..

Shanty said..


shaggybaxter said..



Shanty said..




shaggybaxter said..
This is a follow up video to the Lake Geneva storm cell, taken from another boat. This looks every bit of the 60 knots recorded at the time.
Go to 5:45 for all hell breaking loose, but the whole 7 mins is well worth watching.
Hope its a bloody big lake.

Hope the reverse thread drift is ok Don, it's just such a cool video.
And it reminds me of a Tassie idea of a storm.



What do you reckon, dug the nose in?






Yeah definitely, anyone else think the boat went arse
over tit at the end? Then I realised the spinnaker pole came off





G'day Shanty,
Morpho is a Grand Surprise, so assymetrical kites. The last minute of the video is the rig coming down, poor sods.




Sorry for my error as you know I'm not a "Big Boat" sailor (yet). The rig coming down makes sense as well. I think I have been reading to much on S&s 34s and Top Hats with spinnaker poles. Thanks for clearing that up
Regards,
Mick



Nothing to apologise for Mick, I only know what boat it was from the original news article.
This is another shot of the boat getting hammered in the earlier vid I think.






On the second video that is one scary cloud. Definitely be scary to be hit by one of those on the water.

2bish
TAS, 318 posts
18 Jun 2019 8:53PM
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We had one of those drifter days yesterday, and I must admit I enjoyed it immensely, the water was like a mirror.
I much prefer drifting to this......
www.facebook.com/sailrepublic/videos/1055651677954001/


That facebook page is good, thanks!

woko
NSW, 476 posts
18 Jun 2019 8:59PM
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shaggybaxter said..
This is a follow up video to the Lake Geneva storm cell, taken from another boat. This looks every bit of the 60 knots recorded at the time.
Go to 5:45 for all hell breaking loose, but the whole 7 mins is well worth watching.
Hope its a bloody big lake.

Hope the reverse thread drift is ok Don, it's just such a cool video.
And it reminds me of a Tassie idea of a storm.



What do you reckon, dug the nose in?


Wicked ride, on ya shaggy

Shanty
QLD, 398 posts
18 Jun 2019 9:28PM
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We went from "would you go out on your yacht if there was no wind" to "would you go on your yacht in 60 knots of wind when boats are losing their rigs right next to you". Funny

LooseChange
NSW, 1963 posts
18 Jun 2019 9:50PM
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Grand Surprise


Quite a wicked looking weapon, very fine bow section and flat as a pancake on the bottom, so certainly not hard to stick the pointy end in.

shaggybaxter
QLD, 1670 posts
19 Jun 2019 6:03AM
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Grand Surprise


Quite a wicked looking weapon, very fine bow section and flat as a pancake on the bottom, so certainly not hard to stick the pointy end in.




A local sister ship confirmed that you need to be stacked like lemmings up the back to stop her bow digging in. He also pointed out something I missed and that is the the backstay appears to keep coming loose, you can see them trying to get it on when the rig comes down.
I added some clarification in brackets to some of the words in the following translation.

An update from the Morpho skipper.
The skipper of the boat - Jean-Marie Mechelany - agreed to comment on the pictures: " We were in first position in the Grand Surprise category for 16 hours. Around 5 pm, the cloud began to approach. I looked back and when I saw that boats were starting to leave at the luff, we slid the spinnaker and unrolled the genoa. The wind continued to grow and we ended up rolling the genoa. It was very fast. " We caught 60 knots ... At that time, we were between Lugrin and Meillerie, a few miles from Bouveret, almost halfway through. There was an accelerating effect with the mountain I think. We caught 60 knots ... The important thing was not to go to the lof (luff, or broach) because we could lose a teammate given the height of the sectors (lifelines). In the video, we can see that the boat stuffs once, twice ... The third time, it did not happen. With the water bundles, there was too much pressure in the mast and it broke at the outrigger (gooseneck) hook. (See end of the video)

They sound like a pretty competent crew, they were talking about last year's race where it also got to 50 knots and the mast held up fine.

2bish
TAS, 318 posts
19 Jun 2019 8:49AM
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And to answer your question Don, yes I often will go out with no wind. I like to give the motor a run, and I often find some wind later on which is a bonus. I just like being on the water, preference is to sail, but hey I'll take just being on the water if there's no wind.

AzureF305
NSW, 81 posts
19 Jun 2019 10:09AM
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2bish said..
And to answer your question Don, yes I often will go out with no wind. I like to give the motor a run, and I often find some wind later on which is a bonus. I just like being on the water, preference is to sail, but hey I'll take just being on the water if there's no wind.


+1 and when the kids are with me they love it, they get to steer

wildemann
VIC, 27 posts
19 Jun 2019 12:56PM
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I'll frequently go out little or no wind. Motor or drift about in is always more fun than far to much wind anyway.
I can remember my maiden voyage setting out in my laser (still have this now along with the keel boat) that I could end up becalmed overnight or days on end. A mindset from previous years of keel boat crewing where you could sit for hours before the race abandoned and we'd motor home. Never ever was stuck becalmed in the laser for long over hundreds of times heading out. It eventually became something I never really worried about.

lydia
880 posts
22 Jun 2019 12:42PM
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Don
Should be out today, nice little breeze and snow on the mountain down my way
L

Donk107
TAS, 2209 posts
22 Jun 2019 4:24PM
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lydia said..
Don
Should be out today, nice little breeze and snow on the mountain down my way
L


Hi Lydia

It was a nice day with a little bit of breeze but unfortunately but we had a couple of things prearranged to do today and didn't get a chance to go out on the boat

I have a rdo next Friday and I met a couple of visitors down on the riverbank a couple of weeks ago and said I would try to take the out for a sail before they go back home to Noosa so all going well I hope to be out then

Micks boat gets here tomorrow and is going in the water first thing on Monday and I think he has planned a take it out on Friday as well so I might be able to get a couple of photo's of it under sail if there I i can keep up with it on mine

Regards Don

lydia
880 posts
22 Jun 2019 2:51PM
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Don
who is setting the rig up for him?
Does he have all the base and rake measurements and the rig gauge?
L

Donk107
TAS, 2209 posts
22 Jun 2019 4:54PM
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lydia said..
Don
who is setting the rig up for him?
Does he have all the base and rake measurements and the rig gauge?
L


Hi Lydia

I believe he has something arranged but I am not sure who is doing it

Regards Don

lydia
880 posts
23 Jun 2019 12:27PM
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Cracker day today Don!
Lovely little south westerly.

Donk107
TAS, 2209 posts
23 Jun 2019 2:46PM
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lydia said..
Cracker day today Don!
Lovely little south westerly.


Hi Lydia

I am sitting i n the lounge room looking out at the river and it looks pretty good with a bit of breeze and a few glassy patches

The only thing is that due to our religious beliefs (The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints better known as Mormons) we don't sail on Sundays so I am hanging out for some good weather next Friday for my RDO

I prefer it when the weather is rubbish on Sundays so I am not tempted to be out there

Regards Don




TopHat 25 Mk2
ACT, 91 posts
23 Jun 2019 3:03PM
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Always a good time to lounge around, watch the world go by and watch the seagulls crapping everywhere, knock a few beers on the head, enjoy an arvo snooze.

TopHat 25 Mk2
ACT, 91 posts
23 Jun 2019 3:05PM
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Shanty said..

shaggybaxter said..


Shanty said..



shaggybaxter said..




Shanty said..





shaggybaxter said..
This is a follow up video to the Lake Geneva storm cell, taken from another boat. This looks every bit of the 60 knots recorded at the time.
Go to 5:45 for all hell breaking loose, but the whole 7 mins is well worth watching.
Hope its a bloody big lake.

Hope the reverse thread drift is ok Don, it's just such a cool video.
And it reminds me of a Tassie idea of a storm.



What do you reckon, dug the nose in?







Yeah definitely, anyone else think the boat went arse
over tit at the end? Then I realised the spinnaker pole came off






G'day Shanty,
Morpho is a Grand Surprise, so assymetrical kites. The last minute of the video is the rig coming down, poor sods.





Sorry for my error as you know I'm not a "Big Boat" sailor (yet). The rig coming down makes sense as well. I think I have been reading to much on S&s 34s and Top Hats with spinnaker poles. Thanks for clearing that up
Regards,
Mick




Nothing to apologise for Mick, I only know what boat it was from the original news article.
This is another shot of the boat getting hammered in the earlier vid I think.






On the second video that is one scary cloud. Definitely be scary to be hit by one of those on the water.


Hell yes thats not fun much, that should see one or two spewing over the rails

lydia
880 posts
25 Jun 2019 3:23PM
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Today - Huon River - Port Huon to Franklin and return
bit of a motor and a few rums!


Donk107
TAS, 2209 posts
25 Jun 2019 6:24PM
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lydia said..
Today - Huon River - Port Huon to Franklin and return
bit of a motor and a few rums!



Hi Lydia

That looks better than working (which is what I was doing) but it looks pretty still but there isn't a lot of sailing opportunities between here and Franklin (or is there)

I have a rdo on Friday and Willyweather has promised me a 9 knot northerly around lunchtime with cloudy sky's so I will miss out on the blue sky's of the tomorrow and Thursday but hopefully we won't be drifting

Regards Don

Chris249
247 posts
25 Jun 2019 5:29PM
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Shanty said..

shaggybaxter said..
We had one of those drifter days yesterday, and I must admit I enjoyed it immensely, the water was like a mirror.
I much prefer drifting to this......
www.facebook.com/sailrepublic/videos/1055651677954001/



Why wouldn't you let out the main? Maybe not enough time. Good video


Wasn't it out as far as it could go? It looks like a Psaros or Schmidt design - beautiful lake cruiser/racers and fast as hell in the normal light wind conditions you get around there, but very light.

Chris249
247 posts
25 Jun 2019 5:39PM
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shaggybaxter said..
This is a follow up video to the Lake Geneva storm cell, taken from another boat. This looks every bit of the 60 knots recorded at the time.
Go to 5:45 for all hell breaking loose, but the whole 7 mins is well worth watching.
Hope its a bloody big lake.

Hope the reverse thread drift is ok Don, it's just such a cool video.
And it reminds me of a Tassie idea of a storm.



What do you reckon, dug the nose in?


They were handling that very well! There's huge fleets of Grand Surprises and the smaller Surprises; they must be hot sailors to be at the front.



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