scotty100 said..
If you want to fly above water and enjoy foiling, don't buy naish. If you want to crash, get pissxd off and hate the sport, buy naish. Seriously buy anything but naish.

Hey Scotty100, interesting comment. I am assuming you have not had a good experience on Naish. Personally I spend a lot of time flying above the water and generally do not crash. I also have never ever come off the water thinking my gear is holding me back nor do I ever notice anyone making me feel like their equipment is providing them with more performance or enjoyment than mine.

Like all things in life, sometimes styles of products and personal techniques and skills may suit different equipment. And I am not saying that Naish will 100% suit every foiler out there. But I can vouch on the performance and ease of use of the gear and in general terms fit to a vast majority of foilers. A fully interchangeable system that caters for a huge variety of riders and conditions.

A statement such as this is likely not doing great things for your cred or rep.

Each to their own, I hope the gear you are on is bringing you much enjoyment and stoke.

Ride safe,

JB

scotty100 said..
If you want to fly above water and enjoy foiling, don't buy naish. If you want to crash, get pissxd off and hate the sport, buy naish. Seriously buy anything but naish.

Might just need to play with the setup a bit or spend more time to develop the skills....I see Bfarmer has settled on Axis, but just to set the record straight, I see guys riding Naish HA wings who totally rip prone and SUP, connecting 15+ waves and ripping tight radius turns in the pocket - it's a joy to watch!

I started on a Naish Jet1250 which was good to start on, I have since moved to Gofoil GL then NL.

Axis I have never ridden, but im not a fan of the system because foil top sections will always be limited to match the fuse shape. Just my opinion, but seems to be a strange way of making this connection. That said I can see tons of people who love the axis gear & clearly it performs very well.

Me, Im frothing on the Gofoil and in particular I like the lack of fasteners and the need for tefgel (being all carbon). Maybe the Gofoil is not your thing if you dont like carrying a mini sledgehammer to assemble / disassemble :)

Alysum said..

Juzzy said..

scotty100 said..
If you want to fly above water and enjoy foiling, don't buy naish. If you want to crash, get pissxd off and hate the sport, buy naish. Seriously buy anything but naish.

Axis I have never ridden, but im not a fan of the system because foil top sections will always be limited to match the fuse shape. Just my opinion, but seems to be a strange way of making this connection. That said I can see tons of people who love the axis gear & clearly it performs very well.

One of the stiffest fuse to wing connection out there, it will never move. They brought out the black series fuselage so that the newer wings could be thinner.
And one seen people with Armstrong having their connection becoming loose and moving...

Yes, it is going to be interesting in coming seasons how many foilers ditch the Armstrong due to loose front wings as the carbon hexagon socket wears. I heard of some going to Axis after experiencing the problem, even a mate has sold his Armstrong before the problem got worse.

Yeh my axis bolts would generally come loose as well, well at least one of them for some reason. Was a unwelcome surprise each time pulling it part and noticing this. But I don't know if it ever affected it's performance to be honest.
I suppose theoretically that carbon fuse may wear down over time. Not sure? But I do know that there are few people with as much water time as hilly above nor with the weight he throws down at it. So empirically the fuse wearing is nonsense. But ... who knows. I get my fair share of water time and no issues.

This assumption of reducing flex as much as possible ... honestly we have to move on from this. It's just a theoretical myth born in the early days of this sport. Move on.

kobo said..more people who sell their Armstrong kits the better !

1050 please

scotty100 said..
If you want to fly above water and enjoy foiling, don't buy naish. If you want to crash, get pissxd off and hate the sport, buy naish. Seriously buy anything but naish.

Ain't that just your skills bud? I've had loads of Naish foils, never had an issue. I still use the Jet 2000 for crap surf and low-wind winging and it's pretty epic.

airsail said..

kobo said..

airsail said..

Alysum said..

Juzzy said..

scotty100 said..
If you want to fly above water and enjoy foiling, don't buy naish. If you want to crash, get pissxd off and hate the sport, buy naish. Seriously buy anything but naish.

Axis I have never ridden, but im not a fan of the system because foil top sections will always be limited to match the fuse shape. Just my opinion, but seems to be a strange way of making this connection. That said I can see tons of people who love the axis gear & clearly it performs very well.

One of the stiffest fuse to wing connection out there, it will never move. They brought out the black series fuselage so that the newer wings could be thinner.
And one seen people with Armstrong having their connection becoming loose and moving...

Yes, it is going to be interesting in coming seasons how many foilers ditch the Armstrong due to loose front wings as the carbon hexagon socket wears. I heard of some going to Axis after experiencing the problem, even a mate has sold his Armstrong before the problem got worse.

If it really bothers you it's takes about 5 secs to fix, but the more people who sell their Armstrong kits the better ! That way I might pick up a cheap 50 fuse and 85 mast.sell,sell,sell I say even before it come loose just in case !

Kobo, what's the quick fix for the loose front wing? My mate asked Armstrong and was told there is no repair.

Hey mate, I used to have same problem with my old Slingshot gear, and it wasn't a taper fit which made it harder.
Nowadays I just dry the inside of the wing connection, Then spray a light coat of Auto clear Acrylic from a can inside the wing connection. Wait a few mins for it to be touch dry, then try on the fuse, If it's still loose do more until it's a perfect fit.
Be careful not to do too much, if there is only a small amount of free play in the connection, the just coat one face of the inside of the wing.If you accidentally put too much on ,just tap the wing on with a mallet as the clear will be touch dry but still soft and then remove it and let the acrylic dry overnight as it shrinks a little, and then you will have an absolutely perfect fit.
I used to use epoxy resin and then 2k clear with the Slingshot gear as it needed more filling and it also insulated the aluminum fuse connection from corrosion with the wing , but with Armstrong that's not a problem.
I have even just put one strip of cheap arse clear sticky tape on the inside of the wing and it lasted forever and worked perfectly.

Overall ...Better by design than anything else on the market , just not perfect

warwickl said..

kobo said..
Overall ...Better by design than anything else on the market , just not perfect

So you have used everything else including the latest versions?
Natural skills seem to work best at my local and the best performer has the cheapest set up, foil wings home made and V1 worn out windwing with broken battens.

Yeh some truth that. Natural ability always outshines gear quality and performance for sure.

There is also a case for not changing gear until that gear is holding you back. Now given most of us are not "naturals" (my son being one who pisses me of constantly) then having good gear can help and hey we all like shiny new stuff lol.

I went through this with kites. Demoed every single kite that I could get my hands on from 2009 to 2017 - changed kites like my underwear. Didn't make me any better lol. Just cost me lots of money and time.


Now I just flog around on 2017/2018 gear and couldn't care less.

naish, axis, Armstrong, Konrad, Moses etc etc already have great gear.

kobo said..

warwickl said..

kobo said..
Overall ...Better by design than anything else on the market , just not perfect

So you have used everything else including the latest versions?
Natural skills seem to work best at my local and the best performer has the cheapest set up, foil wings home made and V1 worn out windwing with broken battens.

I mean better engineering design, the mast fuse connection, titanium fuse core, titanium flip washers for mast base, tapered mast design,no corrosion on any part ever, reactive flex, lightweight, carbon/Kevlar construction and I would've said mast fuse connection too but I agree it's not fool proof. It's definitely strong enough ,but it can develop wear which is not ideal.The only connection that I have experience with that doesn't is the Naish, but it relies on 3 screws that can work loose, but I have never seen any movement or wear in the Naish scarf joint. I don't know of any other types of wing/ fuse connections other than Axis and NP, most have fuse into mast similar to Armstrong and have the same issue with play developing, but it doesn't seem to ever be a major problem.

As far as performance to ride, I totally agree the rider makes the most difference, but you can definitely improve a lot by riding better equipment too, and equipment set up properly for what you are trying to do. I know my riding improved noticeably when I switched to Armstrong.

Yep mine to, to be perfectly honest. I kind of had to, the foil demanded better of you.