I can see why companies that make boards just to suit their own foil brands could get away with 10" boxes , but as you said personal preference plays a bit part in what feel you like too ,so longer boxes are going to accommodate more feels and possibilities.

Hey JB, have Naish done anything special to beef up the boxes for this DW board - all the DW boards seem to have a lighter overall layup to keep board weight down , but conversely they will be used with the highest span foils ( max leverage) and likely in offshore conditions so there's a safety consideration there also. Some manufacturers encase both tracks in a solid block of HD foam from deck to deck in an I beam configuration, others just use HD foam for each track but have EPS between the two tracks ( seen some busted tracks on wing boards) . Curious to know what Naish does for these boards?

DavidJohn said..

randomfoiler said..
It is interesting to see where the guy in the video above put his foil ...

Looks like the front of the boxes (just like I do with my Naish foils on my Naish boards) and I think Naish put the boxes more back to accommodate some of the other brand foils that need to be positioned more back than Naish foils.. What a great looking board..

And the other question, what front wing is that?

Johndesu said..

Windgenuity said..

mikesids said..
Hey JB, have Naish done anything special to beef up the boxes for this DW board - all the DW boards seem to have a lighter overall layup to keep board weight down , but conversely they will be used with the highest span foils ( max leverage) and likely in offshore conditions so there's a safety consideration there also. Some manufacturers encase both tracks in a solid block of HD foam from deck to deck in an I beam configuration, others just use HD foam for each track but have EPS between the two tracks ( seen some busted tracks on wing boards) . Curious to know what Naish does for these boards?

This is a great question and point about the Naish boards. All boxes are encased in HD foam that goes from deck to bottom laminates, There is also duel HD stringers that extend out from the two side of the HD block spreading the load further into the board. It is also a reason for not choosing the longer boxes and sticking with 10" or 11". When you are potentially km's offshore, minimising failure is a big thing. I have had an equipment fail many years ago about 5km's from shore, and it was a very long, slow hard journey back.

At the cost of ultimate weight, Naish have chosen strength and durability. But this said, my 125L Hover DW is 6.5kg and my 105L Hover DW is just 5.7kg. So by no means heavy, but they do feel incredibly strong and tough. No flex, wobble with a rock hard skin tension.

I am really stoked with the line Naish have built.

regards,

JB

Hi JB
I want to ask you to about how do you feel stability wise (I am always standing up paddling all the time downwing & catching bumps & swell etc)? and also speed (getting going paddling)? and also touch downs / rebounds etc? can you give me a comparison between the Naish Hover (your old down wind board and your 7.1 105L board?:-)

Hey Johndesu,

I am riding the 125L and love it. I am just under the 90kg mark these days, and it is soo easy to paddle. I always just stay standing (can't prone for long with my back). Speed is much better than you'd think at 25" wide. There is something in being comfortable and being able to put the power down that equals speed! No need going less than 20" if you can not balance perfectly on it in hard conditions. I paddle up first go every go (just about). Touch downs are a little more taxing than on my 20" wide, but wider is always going to be more drag on contact. But on the other hand, the boards balance and ease of use, I generally do not touch, and definitely do not fall.

My 20" wide custom is quicker to paddle, but this makes sense. However, it is harder to paddle on challenging days. I can paddle both boards up on the flat water, the 20" is can get down to my 1240, but only to the 1440 on my 25". But this is dead flat lake fresh water. In the ocean I can paddle up on my 1040 on both with ease.

I think it is important to be realistic. For me, our runs are not perfect, always having to paddle out a distance before starting, lots of refracting bumps from headlands, and backwash everywhere. onshore winds, hectic shorebreaks and surf. Having a more comfortable board is a great thing. I would rather the 20" on flatwater for sure.

Regards,

JB

Johndesu said..

Windgenuity said..

Johndesu said..

Windgenuity said..

mikesids said..
Hey JB, have Naish done anything special to beef up the boxes for this DW board - all the DW boards seem to have a lighter overall layup to keep board weight down , but conversely they will be used with the highest span foils ( max leverage) and likely in offshore conditions so there's a safety consideration there also. Some manufacturers encase both tracks in a solid block of HD foam from deck to deck in an I beam configuration, others just use HD foam for each track but have EPS between the two tracks ( seen some busted tracks on wing boards) . Curious to know what Naish does for these boards?

This is a great question and point about the Naish boards. All boxes are encased in HD foam that goes from deck to bottom laminates, There is also duel HD stringers that extend out from the two side of the HD block spreading the load further into the board. It is also a reason for not choosing the longer boxes and sticking with 10" or 11". When you are potentially km's offshore, minimising failure is a big thing. I have had an equipment fail many years ago about 5km's from shore, and it was a very long, slow hard journey back.

At the cost of ultimate weight, Naish have chosen strength and durability. But this said, my 125L Hover DW is 6.5kg and my 105L Hover DW is just 5.7kg. So by no means heavy, but they do feel incredibly strong and tough. No flex, wobble with a rock hard skin tension.

I am really stoked with the line Naish have built.

regards,

JB

Hi JB
I want to ask you to about how do you feel stability wise (I am always standing up paddling all the time downwing & catching bumps & swell etc)? and also speed (getting going paddling)? and also touch downs / rebounds etc? can you give me a comparison between the Naish Hover (your old down wind board and your 7.1 105L board?:-)

Hey Johndesu,

I am riding the 125L and love it. I am just under the 90kg mark these days, and it is soo easy to paddle. I always just stay standing (can't prone for long with my back). Speed is much better than you'd think at 25" wide. There is something in being comfortable and being able to put the power down that equals speed! No need going less than 20" if you can not balance perfectly on it in hard conditions. I paddle up first go every go (just about). Touch downs are a little more taxing than on my 20" wide, but wider is always going to be more drag on contact. But on the other hand, the boards balance and ease of use, I generally do not touch, and definitely do not fall.

My 20" wide custom is quicker to paddle, but this makes sense. However, it is harder to paddle on challenging days. I can paddle both boards up on the flat water, the 20" is can get down to my 1240, but only to the 1440 on my 25". But this is dead flat lake fresh water. In the ocean I can paddle up on my 1040 on both with ease.

I think it is important to be realistic. For me, our runs are not perfect, always having to paddle out a distance before starting, lots of refracting bumps from headlands, and backwash everywhere. onshore winds, hectic shorebreaks and surf. Having a more comfortable board is a great thing. I would rather the 20" on flatwater for sure.

Regards,

JB

Yeah no worries JB, just wondering if you could please tell me the exact ish weight of the 7.1 x 105L production board?:-)

There is always variations, but my boards are,

105L, 7'1" x 22.5" = 5.7kg
125L, 7'4" x 25" = 6.4kg

Regards,
JB

Windgenuity said..
A little bit of flat water paddle up and pup sprint training from yesterday morning on Narrabeen Lakes.

Trying to work my way up to a 1km pump sprint. But here is two sprints, the 250m and 500m.

Riding the New Naish Hover DW 125L (7'4" x 25") and the Naish JET HA 1800 with 220HA rear on the 64cm fuselage and C100/75cm mast.

I am 6'2" and 89kg (196 lbs).

Mainly fresh water on the full lake after a bit of rain. very light wind, near nothing.

Excuse the heavy breathing , it is a cardio blast.

A bit long, but I talk through it as I warm up.

Enjoy,

Ride safe,

JB

Not bad ,that's bloody brilliant .Well done ??

Had a first session winging on my 125L DW board and found it very easy to use without being too big. Would have loved footstrap inserts in this model, but very impressed with the build quality, finish and low weight. Whilst not sup fit at the moment, the board was easy to paddle on and catch waves with, just need more time on the water. I,ve been looking for a board like this being able to sup foil, wing and hopefully down wind on too. I'm 84kg and can fit it in my car too. I think Naish has a definite winner here ( nb: I buy my own boards at full rate).

motogon said..
I received my DW Hover 125. Surprised how light it is (for it size) and looks good too. Didn't use it yet.

Excellent please let us know how it goes later:-)

motogon said..
Wing on it today. Wind was 8-10 mph. I expected a lot of pumping, but it was really easy to get up - just few easy pumps and I'm flying. Wing 6.5m, foil Armstrong HS1850.

Ok great and do you know the exact weight of just your board - did you weight it?;-)

Bit confusing all the mast track placement talk dang.Anyway was interested in getting a DW low wind winging dual use board or tri use with supfoil too and the Naish 125L sparks my interest as I'm a heavier rider 100kgs plus and like the 125L Naish as it's 25" wide waay better than the usual 21-22" wide norm no way for a HW rider I'm above avg supfoiler winger who rides Axis 1100 spitfire with normal short black fuse just wondering will Axis gear work on this board with all the track chatter quite confused,is Axis compatible with the 125L board any enlightenment info be great as the board looks about the best out there these days for a heavier rider at 25" wide 125L in the DW sup class

I just got back onto the 125L after some time on an upcoming model (longer and narrower) and I have to say, I love this board. Every time I ride it, I just enjoy it. No wasted energy, well balanced, easy to use.

To answer the track questions, there is soo much track forward to use. I mount my foils near the back.

Just an incredibly well thought out board, easy, stable, light, strong. Super fun to wing also definitely.

Highly recommend.

Ride safe,

JB

Shlogger said..

Windgenuity said..
A little bit of flat water paddle up and pup sprint training from yesterday morning on Narrabeen Lakes.

Trying to work my way up to a 1km pump sprint. But here is two sprints, the 250m and 500m.

Riding the New Naish Hover DW 125L (7'4" x 25") and the Naish JET HA 1800 with 220HA rear on the 64cm fuselage and C100/75cm mast.

I am 6'2" and 89kg (196 lbs).

Mainly fresh water on the full lake after a bit of rain. very light wind, near nothing.

Excuse the heavy breathing , it is a cardio blast.

A bit long, but I talk through it as I warm up.

Enjoy,

Ride safe,

JB

You had a chance to compare the new 1840 vs the old 1800 for flat water paddle ups?

Although not the 1800, I did ride both the old HA1400 and the new HA1440. In my opinion there is no comparison, although I was winging the 1440 felt like a Ferrari and the 1400 a truck. The thin low drag profile accelerates so easily but the stall speed is really low, probably because of that long chord centre section of the wing. Not once did it stall on me, unlike the Axis 1201 that stalls if you don't keep the speed up to it.

I should think the HA1840 would be an excellent downwind wing, good area but thin for speed.

Windgenuity said..

Shlogger said..

Windgenuity said..
A little bit of flat water paddle up and pup sprint training from yesterday morning on Narrabeen Lakes.

Trying to work my way up to a 1km pump sprint. But here is two sprints, the 250m and 500m.

Riding the New Naish Hover DW 125L (7'4" x 25") and the Naish JET HA 1800 with 220HA rear on the 64cm fuselage and C100/75cm mast.

I am 6'2" and 89kg (196 lbs).

Mainly fresh water on the full lake after a bit of rain. very light wind, near nothing.

Excuse the heavy breathing , it is a cardio blast.

A bit long, but I talk through it as I warm up.

Enjoy,

Ride safe,

JB

You had a chance to compare the new 1840 vs the old 1800 for flat water paddle ups?

Similar to airsail's findings, the 1800 whist an excellent foil is not in the same league as the 1840, I would compare it more with the 2140 for flatwater paddle ups it is that lifty and powerful. But at the same time faster than the 1800.

All the 2024 (S28) new HA's are wider span, thinner profiles, higher AR, faster, more lift, turn easier, tip breech better and look way sexy! They out perform most foils in many categories. Acknowledging they are not the highest aspect on the market, the L/D is not that of say an AR10+, but the usability far out weighs in every other catagory like control, turning, recovery etc.......

Just an amazing foil line, stoked!!!

JB

Thanks for the info.