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The compatibility thread

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Created by icharus 8 months ago, 3 Sep 2018
icharus
50 posts
3 Sep 2018 7:20PM
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I am not sure if anyone has done this before. But mix and matching mounting plates and masts can save a fortune. We already know that Takuma and naish us the same mast dimensions. I can now add Gong to that list. They are not a perfect match as the gong mast is slightly loose in he Naish plate and the Naish fuselage - but some judicious shimming is all thats needed. I am currently using the Allevator with a naish mast - its a really tight fit so best done with caution. The pitch of the mounting holes is perfect.

To be honest - I would recommend shimming anyway the tighter the fit the less likely it is to break and it will make your pumping more efficient.

The Shinn mast fits nothing I know of - it uses only 2 bolts.

The manta mast is also 2 bolts but at a different pitch.

Any others to add to the list ? I add this as I am one of the dumb asses that bought a probox board - and really hoping I can find a way to connect to it ! Seriously thinking of going into production to make adapters to connect any mast and any board mount to any foil - I can't be the only one pissed off at the lack of compatibility.

measurements to follow

effisk
WA, 37 posts
10 Sep 2018 3:32PM
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Thank for this thread! I was looking at the Naish abracadabra plate and Takuma mast compatibility.

My small contribution:
The Gong Tuttle adaptor does fit the Takuma mast, although it is a very tight fit and you will need a mallet and a bit of patience if you want to remove it.

DWF
85 posts
10 Sep 2018 6:38PM
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Gong, Takuma, and Naish come from the same factory. Sonic Composites in China.

warwickl
NSW, 1149 posts
11 Sep 2018 6:58AM
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Slingshot and Zeeko are compatible with a very slight elongation of one bolt hole.


icharus
50 posts
27 Sep 2018 3:01AM
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Turns out the pitch of the mounting bolts on a gong/ naish mast is 40mm so the 2 outermost bolts are 80mm apart - sooo this is exactly the same as the bolts on a probox. So I made an adapter and just bolted all the way through the board so it's like a probox with extra support. I am hoping I can prone paddle this and kite it.

Piros
QLD, 5403 posts
27 Sep 2018 5:39AM
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That's pretty cool do you have a pic of the adaptor

icharus
50 posts
27 Sep 2018 5:07AM
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Will get one but the only really important bit is at the last 10mm to ensure the standard plate cannot move fore and aft or side to side. The rest is done by the tension in the bolt.

icharus
50 posts
24 Feb 2019 11:41PM
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another one for the thread - rrd and naish masts are the same.

magillamelb
VIC, 612 posts
26 Feb 2019 3:38PM
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A big chunk of all the foils available today come out of the one design house. There is compatibility of parts.

Windbot
70 posts
26 Feb 2019 4:55PM
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Slingshot aluminum setups, Ride Engine foils , and Windance's Foil Works brand are all the same.

Camarillo
138 posts
3 Mar 2019 1:46PM
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So Gong, Takuma, Naish and RRD masts are interchangeable.
Are there any differences in stiffness?
I hate mast wobble...

Camarillo
138 posts
4 Mar 2019 2:40PM
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So the Gong mast is (more or less) the same as the Gong mast, the gong plate also looks a lot like the Naish plate.

Would it be possible to use a wedge made especially for a Naish plate for a Gong plate?

colas
3139 posts
4 Mar 2019 3:08PM
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Camarillo said..
Would it be possible to use a wedge made especially for a Naish plate for a Gong plate?


I guess so. The plate geometry is dictated by the US box setting, and as it is a standard, it should be the same for all brands, unless your wedge is not flat, i.e. has some recess in which the naish plate fits.

Mwstard
53 posts
5 Mar 2019 2:39AM
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Camarillo said..
So Gong, Takuma, Naish and RRD masts are interchangeable.
Are there any differences in stiffness?
I hate mast wobble...


Ordered a Gong 65cm mast ( and few other bits) to try with my Naish set up so will be interested to see if theres any difference. Notice some flex with the XL Naish wing, but that could be the (older style) fuselage and /or mast.
Great pricing in the UK ( pre-brexit...).

Mwstard
53 posts
8 Mar 2019 4:44AM
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Impressively fast delivery from Gong and their foil bags are great for the money.
Interesting to compare the Naish and Gong masts. On rough measuring the Naish is about 1mm wider, fore-aft and just under a mm profile wider. It sits very snug in both the Naish and Gong base plates, but the Gong mast is wobbling around in both (before screws are tightened). With screws tightened there is still some movement of the Gong mast in the Gong base plate. Shimming from the get go is disappointing but understand all the above.

Weight wise the Gong base plate is lighter than the Naish one and the Gong 65cm mast is about the same weight as the Naish 55cm mast.

sweats
30 posts
8 Mar 2019 5:12AM
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Thats v helpful Mwstard as thinking of getting a Naish abracadabra plate for my Gong. Will be interested to hear how the shimming goes?

Mwstard
53 posts
8 Mar 2019 5:37AM
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A wrap of some fairly thin rail tape and its snug with no movement.
Pretty sure an Abracadabra plate would work with a Gong mast and a wee shim. Its on my wish list too :-)

sweats
30 posts
9 Mar 2019 2:19AM
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Really helpful. Cheers.



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