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mybrosweeper
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2 Jun 2009 6:27pm
Great looking stick Casso.You'll have to bring it up for the long wall test?Hanging to get my newie,
Robbo
stevibee
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2 Jun 2009 8:01pm
Casso said...

The story (review) continues...

I found a nice little bank at Palmy, the next morning after getting the board. A light to medium off-shore wind was feathering the head high sets and there was only one other guy out for most of the session. Racing down the beach, keen as mustard, thinking I'm as cool as Luke Egan with my tiny pro model board under my arm, I trip on my legrope and nearly go 'a' over 't' - man if I can't even get to the water's edge without losing balance how am I going to rode this thing. I throw it in the water, jump on and take a few strokes. Phew. I can balance on it and paddle it. I didn't order it too small. It doesn't track the best with only three or four stokes on each side before needing to swap hands - but that's a payoff you need to expect with a performance board of this calibre. You don't want this type of board to track straight when you are on a wave.

Punching through white water is an absolute pleasure with the good amount of nose lift and pulled in front end just popping over walls of foam with the greatest of ease. Trying to keep your balance in the soup after the wave has passed is another thing however, but I did OK, albeit a bit slow to get moving again after the wave had passed.

I waited a while for my first wave, wanting to get myself a good one for first impressions sake. It came and yes it was a good one. A really good one. Probably the biggest I got all morning and a really good shape. I swung around after spotting it and was surprised at how quickly and easily the 8'8" was to get heading in the opposite direction. So quickly so, that in fact I had spin around too far and wouldn't of been able to take the drop straight on. I had to quickly swap hands and paddle a bit in the other direction to straighten up. This made everything a bit late but the little DC handled the steeper than expected drop very well (with that good amount of nose rocker coming into play again). I faded a bit a leaned onto the bottom turn. Now, I thought Dale had put the fin plugs in a weird position (quite far up the board) so I was a bit cautious as how much I'd be able to push it into a big bottom turn. As of turns out he knew exactly what he was doing as the board carved off the bottom beautifully with no slip at all. It's obviously using the rail for these types of turns and not relying just on the small fins. I should've had more faith in the man.

So now I'm presented with a little crumbling bit of foam about ten metres in front of me. Some of my other boards wouldn't have let me fit in a quick speed pump and little bottom turn before whacking that bit of foam but the agility of the DC let me do just that. I guess this is a combination of the lightness and manoeuvrability of this performance oriented board. So instead of hitting the lip with just the speed I already had, the little DC gave me the opportunity to gather more speed and come at the lip from a better direction. With this I hit the white water with more power and control - really smacking it and whipping the board around into a nice layback snap. Boy that first big turn felt great. It was at this point (first turn, first wave) that I fell on love with this board. Big call, I know but I really do think it is love!

Because this wave was breaking on the other bank, there was a big gutter between the main section of the wave and the reform on the shore. I wasn't expecting much from such a little board and just planned on riding the outer break - I wasn't on my twelve footer with plenty of glide now was I? As the wave died out I decided to see how far I could get on the DC 8'8". Even though the wave had stopped breaking, there was still about three feet of swell moving though the gutter so by putting the board on rail and carving into a series of swooping cutbacks I was able to stay on this unbroken wave. Wow - this was amazing. The little DC actually generated heaps of speed just by doing these slow, drivey turns - it felt great. I was able to continue these all the way in until the wave started to peak up again on the shorey. It doesn't have a lot of glide like bigger boards and you don't really trim the board on the wave face but a few of these slow, power carves will get you through all kinds of dead sections. Unreal.

With quite a heavy, sucky closeout on the shore, the short length of the 8'8" now came into play. Dropping down the reforming peak on an angle and then pumping along the face a bit got me going at a tremendous pace. No sign of any nose diving or rail bogging on this sucky wall. I hop up onto the closing out lip and run along the top of it, floating for what seemed like forever. A subtle change of direction and the speed that the little DC had generated made it easy to skim down the white water, over the trough and down onto the flat section in front of the wave. Really clean with heaps of speed. A very nice manoeuvre - all credit given to the capabilities of the board (not me).

Some of the other waves I got that morning included some almost vertical forehand re-entries (those ones where you seem to come back down same path that you originally climbed up the face), a couple of nice backhand foam bounces off the closed out white water (a very good testament to the agility of the board) and a really nice, fin release, tail waft over a crumbling lip.

Overall, this board is fast, drivey and manoeuvrable with true shortboard performance qualities. An absolute pleasure to ride, especially for a (now ex) shortboarder.

Highs:
- Light weight.
- Super fast.
- Carves really well.
- Snaps really well.
- Surprisingly good stability.
- Hard to nose dive.
- Has a carry handle.
- Fully Australian made.

Lows:
- A few dirty marks and cosmetic imperfections under the glass (but this one was a rushed prototype).




good on ya casso, you sure do cycle thru the boards. Maybe this is the one?
i take it that you have come to the above conclusion based on the comparison to your normal board the 9'3PSH? Does this mean it is for sale and how much do you want for it?
mybrosweeper
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2 Jun 2009 9:10pm
Casso said...

OK, here you go ... the rocker and "foil":
WHAT THA??????? WHERE ARE THOSE FRIGGIN GREEN BOARDIES???THATS NOT CASSO???
Robbo




Casso
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2 Jun 2009 9:19pm
stevibee said...

good on ya casso, you sure do cycle thru the boards. Maybe this is the one?
i take it that you have come to the above conclusion based on the comparison to your normal board the 9'3PSH? Does this mean it is for sale and how much do you want for it?

Nah, sorry the PSH 9'3" Ripper is not for sale, yet. I still want/need this board for bigger, fuller surf where you need the bit of extra length to get into them, stay on them and cut through the chop.

For the time being, my quiver will be:
- DC 8'8": for up to head high waves, sucky breaks and most competitions.
- PSH 9'3" Ripper: for bigger waves that aren't too sucky and for when I want to relax and take it easy (both surfing wise and paddling wise).
- PSH 12'0" Gun: for really big days, flat water paddling and really small pointbreaks.

Sounds pretty good, hey?

This does leave Tiger (11'0" Oxbow) and Woody (9'3" Naish) a little bit obsolete - coming soon to an eBay near you!

Casso
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2 Jun 2009 9:23pm
ianr64 said...

WHAT THA??????? WHERE ARE THOSE FRIGGIN GREEN BOARDIES???THATS NOT CASSO???

LOL - that's "Work Mode Casso", not "Having a Few Months Off Casso" - that you know so well, Robbo.
Casso
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2 Jun 2009 9:26pm
lacey said...

hi casso, those fins. what depth are they?(inchs)

They are FCS Occys. All three are 4.70" or 119mm deep.
laceys lane
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2 Jun 2009 9:33pm
Casso said...

lacey said...

hi casso, those fins. what depth are they?(inchs)

They are FCS Occys. All three are 4.70" or 119mm deep.



yeah just comparing sizes with mine. i'm getting a 6 inch to match up with my mr's. just goes to show, everyones different.
thx's
62mac
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2 Jun 2009 7:57pm
ianr64 said...

Casso said...

OK, here you go ... the rocker and "foil":
WHAT THA??????? WHERE ARE THOSE FRIGGIN GREEN BOARDIES???THATS NOT CASSO???
Robbo







Casso's turned RETRO love the furniture in the background in page one photo's

mac
laceys lane
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2 Jun 2009 10:03pm
62mac said...

ianr64 said...

Casso said...

OK, here you go ... the rocker and "foil":
WHAT THA??????? WHERE ARE THOSE FRIGGIN GREEN BOARDIES???THATS NOT CASSO???
Robbo







Casso's turned RETRO love the furniture in the background.

mac


ha! there's a bit of the mild mannered clark kent thing happening. is a bird, is a plane, no its super supping casso!!!
Casso
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2 Jun 2009 10:15pm
62mac said...

Casso's turned RETRO love the furniture in the background in page one photo's

Yep, love my retro 'wares. Woodgrain laminex clad cabinets, teak timber tables and chairs, tweed fabric lounges - oooh ... noice.
62mac
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2 Jun 2009 8:23pm
Casso said...

62mac said...

Casso's turned RETRO love the furniture in the background in page one photo's

Yep, love my retro 'wares. Woodgrain laminex clad cabinets, teak timber tables and chairs, tweed fabric lounges - oooh ... noice.



I noted all the above Casso,you've even got the hair thing going Anyone from the GC looking for RETRO,go to Found at Palm Beach,sorry free plug for a good friends brother. mac
mybrosweeper
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2 Jun 2009 10:23pm
LOL,goodonyamate,
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goatman
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3 Jun 2009 11:05am

Nah, sorry the PSH 9'3" Ripper is not for sale, yet. I still want/need this board for bigger, fuller surf where you need the bit of extra length to get into them, stay on them and cut through the chop.

For the time being, my quiver will be:
- DC 8'8": for up to head high waves, sucky breaks and most competitions.
- PSH 9'3" Ripper: for bigger waves that aren't too sucky and for when I want to relax and take it easy (both surfing wise and paddling wise).
- PSH 12'0" Gun: for really big days, flat water paddling and really small pointbreaks.

Sounds pretty good, hey?


So Casso, what would you use in say bigger, sucky surf. Lets say a wave like DY point at 6 foot (10 foot face) or 2nd Reef winki at 6-8 foot (10-12+ foot face)?

The reason I ask is that I want to go the shorter custom way myself eventually but always thought the 9' 3" would be a good big wave board. A lot of the big waves around here have very sucky take offs. I wouldn't have thought the 12 footer would be the ideal board for this type of stuff either.

Maybe a nice 10 foot semi gun might be the answer - your probably due a new board soon
Casso
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3 Jun 2009 11:57am
goatman said...

So Casso, what would you use in say bigger, sucky surf. Lets say a wave like DY point at 6 foot (10 foot face) or 2nd Reef winki at 6-8 foot (10-12+ foot face)?

The reason I ask is that I want to go the shorter custom way myself eventually but always thought the 9' 3" would be a good big wave board. A lot of the big waves around here have very sucky take offs. I wouldn't have thought the 12 footer would be the ideal board for this type of stuff either.

Maybe a nice 10 foot semi gun might be the answer - your probably due a new board soon

Good question Goatie. A tricky one to answer.

The 9'3" PSH would be good for getting into them earlier but there may not be enough nose lift to make the sucky drop or take on those 'steps' which can often present themselves just after takeoff. I know Ikaika Kalama rides his PSH 9'3" at Pipe - but even though Pipe barrels heavily, it doesn't suck square like DY point, Little Av or the deep ones at Winki.

The little DC could do it but I'd be scared of it spinning out on the bottom turn with its thruster setup. You'd be better off with a 2+1 so a bigger centre fin would hold in stronger. You'd also be taking off pretty late, right on the suckiest part of the wave.

If I was surfing DY point at 6 foot I'd probably ride my 9'3" Naish out there. A good length so it will paddle well enough to get into them early, you can put a good 6" fin in the tail so it holds and it's got plenty of nose lift to take the drop. Maybe I shouldn't sell it - but then again, am I really going to tempt fate by going out on a six foot day to a crazy ledge like these places?

goatman
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3 Jun 2009 12:24pm


I know Ikaika Kalama rides his PSH 9'3" at Pipe - but even though Pipe barrels heavily, it doesn't suck square like DY point, Little Av or the deep ones at Winki.



That is so true, our ledge type reef breaks are mad!

I know I am a learner but couldn't help myself and rode a couple of 6 footers last w/end at DY point from inside suckup. It was gnarly, toes scraping the deck grip, nose trying to go under, just made it but some more nose lift would have been great!
surfho
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3 Jun 2009 1:04pm
Hey casso - just out of interest did you get your new dc direct from dc or through balmoral ? Oh yeah - we are starting up a book here as to what your next "the board" will be.
Casso
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3 Jun 2009 2:21pm
surfho said...

Hey casso - just out of interest did you get your new dc direct from dc or through balmoral ? Oh yeah - we are starting up a book here as to what your next "the board" will be.

Due to the high level of customised design and a lot of rider/shaper interaction, I went direct from DC for this one. I know WindSurfnSnow are looking at getting a few 'on stock', maybe Balmoral Boards as well?

What board's got the shortest odds, for my next one?
loco4olas
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3 Jun 2009 9:17pm
Casso said...

Hmmm. Don't mean to make a big thing about it - but what is the foil on a board?

I always thought it was how rolled over the rails are, as in:
- "those rails are nicely foiled"
- "the edge of that board (the rail) looks like an air-foil on an aeroplane wing"
- "I just finished foiling the rails on that blank"

Discuss.


My idea
of foil has always been the combo of rocker (over the whole or lift in respect of tail/nose specifically), thickness distribution, plan shape and rail - together with how the deck is rolled or not-and how a shaper brings those elements together-all of them in combo being the foil-whether talking narrowly in respect of nose or tail foil or broadly as in the whole board and how those elements have been brought together overall.

Foil is NOT rocker and NOR is it thickness-it's how the shaper has brought all the elements together at any particular point.

In respect of your new board I was specifically interested in the nose and tail foil-more interested in the tail over nose.
Casso
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3 Jun 2009 10:44pm
loco4olas said...

My idea [/b]of foil has always been the combo of rocker (over the whole or lift in respect of tail/nose specifically), thickness distribution, plan shape and rail - together with how the deck is rolled or not-and how a shaper brings those elements together-all of them in combo being the foil-whether talking narrowly in respect of nose or tail foil or broadly as in the whole board and how those elements have been brought together overall.

Foil is NOT rocker and NOR is it thickness-it's how the shaper has brought all the elements together at any particular point.

In respect of your new board I was specifically interested in the nose and tail foil-more interested in the tail over nose.

Sooooo ... is my "side on" photo OK?
laceys lane
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3 Jun 2009 11:06pm
Casso said...

loco4olas said...

My idea [/b]of foil has always been the combo of rocker (over the whole or lift in respect of tail/nose specifically), thickness distribution, plan shape and rail - together with how the deck is rolled or not-and how a shaper brings those elements together-all of them in combo being the foil-whether talking narrowly in respect of nose or tail foil or broadly as in the whole board and how those elements have been brought together overall.

Foil is NOT rocker and NOR is it thickness-it's how the shaper has brought all the elements together at any particular point.

In respect of your new board I was specifically interested in the nose and tail foil-more interested in the tail over nose.

Sooooo ... is my "side on" photo OK?


geez casso don't you know a foil when you see one
Brooko
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4 Jun 2009 7:52pm
goatman said...


Nah, sorry the PSH 9'3" Ripper is not for sale, yet. I still want/need this board for bigger, fuller surf where you need the bit of extra length to get into them, stay on them and cut through the chop.

For the time being, my quiver will be:
- DC 8'8": for up to head high waves, sucky breaks and most competitions.
- PSH 9'3" Ripper: for bigger waves that aren't too sucky and for when I want to relax and take it easy (both surfing wise and paddling wise).
- PSH 12'0" Gun: for really big days, flat water paddling and really small pointbreaks.

Sounds pretty good, hey?


So Casso, what would you use in say bigger, sucky surf. Lets say a wave like DY point at 6 foot (10 foot face) or 2nd Reef winki at 6-8 foot (10-12+ foot face)?

The reason I ask is that I want to go the shorter custom way myself eventually but always thought the 9' 3" would be a good big wave board. A lot of the big waves around here have very sucky take offs. I wouldn't have thought the 12 footer would be the ideal board for this type of stuff either.

Maybe a nice 10 foot semi gun might be the answer - your probably due a new board soon



Spot on with your wave size call there goatman That 9 3" psh is way plenty big enough for that size waves. 9 3" is still a very big board.
goatman
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4 Jun 2009 10:00pm
Cheers Brooko, I reckon it will end up my 'big wave' board for sure. Bloody hell this sport is exciting!!! (better slow down on the mid week Coopers)
loco4olas
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5 Jun 2009 8:17am
goatman said...

Cheers Brooko, I reckon it will end up my 'big wave' board for sure. Bloody hell this sport is exciting!!! (better slow down on the mid week Coopers)


Mate, how much do you weigh? (ex Coopers)
loco4olas
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5 Jun 2009 8:18am
Casso said...

Sooooo ... is my "side on" photo OK?


Yeah-nice rocker shot.....

goatman
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5 Jun 2009 8:29am

Mate, how much do you weigh? (ex Coopers)


Hey Matt, about 83 -84 kegs at the moment (bloody Coopers!)
Brooko
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5 Jun 2009 10:18pm
goatman said...

Cheers Brooko, I reckon it will end up my 'big wave' board for sure. Bloody hell this sport is exciting!!! (better slow down on the mid week Coopers)


Nice pic on your Avater Goatman, good style right there... Never give up on the midweek Coopers, are they green or reds?? My girl will only let me drink the reds every now and then, Im on the greens pale ale now, she said the red coopers can send me a bit silly
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