Hey Guys,

Just a short note to touch base with all the breezers and discuss a situation that has happened this week!

Down our way a couple of SUPers have been frequenting a local well know longboard break!

This break is normally a hang out during the week that is frequented by a few of the old school guys who I have to say have been great and helped out with the OG13 day etc.

This afternoon I got taken aside and was advised that a couple of SUPers were taking every set wave for the last 3 days and rotating that so that anyone else at the break could not get a wave!

The co-operation and good will we have built over 9 months may have been strained by a couple of people that may have been a little on the full on side! There are of course 2 sides to every story and I dont even know who these guys are!

I guess it goes to show that it doesnt take much to upset the apple cart!

I got into sup to surf places without a crowd and there a tons of them down this way!

There is definitely no need to surf crowded local breaks and if you do it doesnt take much to fit in to the line up and get along.

Lets hope its a one off!

Phill

Crikey, what has the world come too?

I can't believe that there are so many inconsiderate sup boarders snaking 1 foot waves from the old school semi-retired mal riders.

What I think we need to do is discuss the issue with the Victorian Police force. I'm sure they could be persuaded to buy 50 purpose built goat boats to patrol all the 1 foot breaks during winter to make sure this sort of stuff doesn't happen again. Even 10 undercover cops riding surfmats fitted with radios and gps units, pretending to be holiday makers, could make a big difference during the winter months.

oliver said...

Crikey, what has the world come too?

I can't believe that there are so many inconsiderate sup boarders snaking 1 foot waves from the old school semi-retired mal riders.

What I think we need to do is discuss the issue with the Victorian Police force. I'm sure they could be persuaded to buy 50 purpose built goat boats to patrol all the 1 foot breaks during winter to make sure this sort of stuff doesn't happen again. Even 10 undercover cops riding surfmats fitted with radios and gps units, pretending to be holiday makers, could make a big difference during the winter months.

I assume you are taking the p1ss.
In the coming years this will be a huge issue as wave hogs get on sups.
This is already causing grief in the states with bans proposed in Hawaii.
Try to tune guys as there will be a serious backlash against us if we go like kiting and sup gets a really bad name.

Hi Oliver,

This is not the time to take this lightly and I would be very very carful as to how flipantly you treat this! You may be surprised who reads SB forums and your picture is plastered all over Sea Breeze!!!!!!!!!!

Have you got my point yet?????

I have seen all sorts of beach justice handed out on the west coast and I assure you that its not something you wish to deal with!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me enlighten you with some exaples:

When I wrote the below points they were not aimed at Oliver nor was I suggesting that it should happen to anyone! It is a statement of what I have seen happen to others, experienced myself and what I heard has happened when I spoke to the Police about a incident last year!

You will come back to your car and find a mixture of sand and wax has been applied to every window of your car the combination ensures you need to relace them all!

The same can be applied to every panel of your car! the next step up!

You sudden have lowered your car to a more sporty look as there is no air in the tyres or even sportier it is sitting on blocks and you dont have any wheels.

You suddenly have all round AC as you no longer have windows!

Then we go to after you wipe out and your head pops up you will be facing the fins end of a surfboard being rammed at your head! The swim back is not pleasent wondering when mr chompy will appear and the medical bills are also a drag!

This I assure you Oliver is the light end of the stick it gets much more unpleasent from there

Think I am kidding with any of the above, drop into any of the police stations down here and ask them!!!!

We have a great relationship with all the surfers and clubs here and thats the way we want it to stay!

My suggestion is that if we see anyone engaging in this sort of activity "Wave Hogging" we at least have a gentle word with with them!

If we dont self regulate I assure you it will be done fore us!

Best regards

Happy days

Phill


Having reread what I wrote to Oliver yesterday I can now see how it could be seen to imply that I am insighting violence and that is simply not the case, if that is how the post was read then I sincerly appologise without reserve to all!

The written word can be taken in many different contexts unfortunately!

I was not threatening anyone, I was giving examples of what has happened in the past to longboarders, short boarders etc etc on surf breaks both on the west coast and all around the country! I too have experience this first hand, hence the emotion in the thread!

I did take personal offence to Oliver posting what I believed was a reply (no matter how humorous it was intended to be) that in my opinion (rightly or wrongly) would imflame tensions, when I was looking for constructive input!

I have 3 daughters 8, 11 and 13 who I love dearly and want them to be safe and enjoy a sport they love! In this area I have an huge amount of ego and pride and will not appologise for it.

As they are girl surfers and now stand up paddlers as well they are breaking quite a few ridiculous stereotypes.

When the actions of a few inconsiderate people destroying Karma at a local break impacts on them, yes I get emotional.

I cant explain it any better than that!

Phill

Was this happening at the spot thats impossible to get to too?? I saw three guys on rotation at 13th last Sunday and am just wondering if its the same crew...I never bother with that place aqs its too ****ing hectic with all the crew and you can get just as good waves with no one out 15 minutes away

OG SUP said...

Hi Oliver,

This is not the time to take this lightly and I would be very very carful as to how flipantly you treat this! You may be surprised who reads SB forums and your picture is plastered all over Sea Breeze!!!!!!!!!!

Have you got my point yet?????

I have seen all sorts of beach justice handed out on the west coast and I assure you that its not something you wish to deal with!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me enlighten you with some exaples:

You will come back to your car and find a mixture of sand and wax has been applied to every window of your car the combination ensures you need to relace them all!

The same can be applied to every panel of your car! the next step up!

You sudden have lowered your car to a more sporty look as there is no air in the tyres or even sportier it is sitting on blocks and you dont have any wheels.

You suddenly have all round AC as you no longer have windows!

Then we go to after you wipe out and your head pops up you will be facing the fins end of a surfboard being rammed at your head! The swim back is not pleasent wondering when mr chompy will appear and the medical bills are also a drag!

This I assure you Oliver is the light end of the stick it gets much more unpleasent from there

Think I am kidding with any of the above, drop into any of the police stations down here and ask them!!!!

We have a great relationship with all the surfers and clubs here and thats the way we want it to stay!

My suggestion is that if we see anyone engaging in this sort of activity "Wave Hogging" we at least have a gentle word with with them!

If we dont self regulate I assure you it will be done fore us!

Best regards

Happy days

Phill

Heaps bad attitude from someone who should probably know better
Don't know what your trying to achieve with this but if its regulation then you have offsided 90% of other water users.
Get your ego and self importance reigned in and have another think.

Reason I never really got into surfing was all this macho chest beating crap, it's a bit like like the cyclists on Beach Road getting pushed into the gutter, sure they might have some attitude but does that mean they deserve serious injury!!

Someone takes your wave, OK not friendly, have a word with them, but to go into the water thinking that if you do the wrong thing someone will damage your property or assault you...hello... that is criminal behaviour. If the local "good old boys" do that they should be in gaol, surf etiquette is not even part of this equation.

If the motivation for treating other people in the water fairly and with respect is to avoid a beating then something is very wrong - and those people do not deserve respect. If this is the way the local surfer crew function, I for one don't want any sort of "good will" relationship with them.

This can be an issue in Sydney, mainly the abuse comes from the old mal riders who are used to catching their fair share of waves over the years. Can I suggest siting on your board whilst waiting for a wave, this gives the appearance that you are relaxed. The other problem is that sup's stand out and appear to get all the waves.

At the end of the day, we are all surfers who choose different equipment.

Let's relax and share, and show these whinging mal riders that sup's rip.

Garethg said...

This can be an issue in Sydney, mainly the abuse comes from the old mal riders who are used to catching their fair share of waves over the years. Can I suggest siting on your board whilst waiting for a wave, this gives the appearance that you are relaxed. The other problem is that sup's stand out and appear to get all the waves.

At the end of the day, we are all surfers who choose different equipment.

Let's relax and share, and show these whinging mal riders that sup's rip.

yeah, i reckon a bit of a sit down and let a set go does wonders. a few hoots for others doesn't go astray either.
cheers

oliver said...

Crikey, what has the world come too?

I can't believe that there are so many inconsiderate sup boarders snaking 1 foot waves from the old school semi-retired mal riders.

What I think we need to do is discuss the issue with the Victorian Police force. I'm sure they could be persuaded to buy 50 purpose built goat boats to patrol all the 1 foot breaks during winter to make sure this sort of stuff doesn't happen again. Even 10 undercover cops riding surfmats fitted with radios and gps units, pretending to be holiday makers, could make a big difference during the winter months.

Good work Oliver, I like this one

Look Im gunna let you guys in on a little secret. No matter what we do or DONT do we are gunna be hated by shortboarders and mal riders. Mal riders will always hate us because they have been made obselete absolutely no need for a mal if you have a sub.

Shortboarders hate us because they hate every one, even each other and are way to cool for school!! I am not a wave hog and let nice people around me get there fair share (and more)of waves around me, if you have attitude no matter what your riding , game on Subs will always be hated, take it with pride and DGAF

You know what, I might get back on the shortboard and surf those angry breaks and then go to the local Mal guy in town and complain about the mal riders that were hogging all the waves. - I can't believe they approached you Phil. Must be cowards!
What do they expect you to do if you don't know the SUPers in question?

If they have surfed enough they should know how to block SUP's paddling for waves and handle it that way. Unless they are sitting on the shoulder expecting to be given right of way.

mollydooka said...

OG SUP said...

Hi Oliver,

This is not the time to take this lightly and I would be very very carful as to how flipantly you treat this! You may be surprised who reads SB forums and your picture is plastered all over Sea Breeze!!!!!!!!!!
...
Then we go to after you wipe out and your head pops up you will be facing the fins end of a surfboard being rammed at your head! The swim back is not pleasent wondering when mr chompy will appear and the medical bills are also a drag!

This I assure you Oliver is the light end of the stick it gets much more unpleasent from there

Think I am kidding with any of the above, drop into any of the police stations down here and ask them!!!!

Phill

Lighten up Phill, violence begets violence. I don't see why Oliver cannot contribute a comment that was obviously tongue-in-cheek. From the tone of your comments they seem to indicate that you condone violence. Sure, you might be employing a bit of black humour too, but violence is rarely funny.
I've never been able to understand why people can actually come to blows & damage other people's property over a lousy wave. Especially older "mature" guys who should know better!!
There's always a non-violent solution (ask Mahatma Gandhi if he were alive ):
-- discuss calmly & rationally man-on-man
-- approach culprit(s) in a group to make polite suggestions
-- if above fails, a bit of subtle blocking near take-off zone can work wonders
--- etc etc

Your rationale is apparent: you're worried that some of the "locals" are going to start greeting suppers with "NOT WELCOME HERE".
I humbly suggest that we adopt the Hawaiian custom of introducing ourselves when we paddle out into the line-up, & assure the prone surfers that we're not going to hog waves. Hopefully that will help to diffuse any potential tension.
Peace bro'
Mike

i'm no saint, but what i do is tell guys if they wont a certain wave tell me, but make the call early. i say it's a but hard to get off when you are on them in no time
cheers

Reading all this. I dont get it. Surfin's meant to be non stressful and fun
Glad i live where i do.

And if being polite doesnt help, hit the cranky mal riders with the paddle !!![}:)]

this is what Currumbin looks like on a busy day i'm sure 62mac is in there somewhere. Gets nasty when the paddles come out.