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BWDave
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3 Aug 2008 11:35am
Hi All,
First time poster. I have been paddling for 1.5 years and love both surf and flat water and am wondering if anyone knows if there is a board available for SUP touring. I am thinking 14+ foot with plugs on the deck for attaching gear. Any ideas?
SF
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3 Aug 2008 1:26pm
Have a look at these two Australian made boards, both 16'. They are both made to order so you could specify any deck fittings you required. I am not sure about their suitability for touring, you would have to make your own mind up about that.

Steve


Dale Chapman (image from http://www.newcastle-standup-paddlesurfing.com.au)


Laguna Bay (image from standuppaddlesurf.com.au)

DavidJohn
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3 Aug 2008 4:46pm
BWDave...welcome...I don't think you need a whopping huge 16-18 footer to do some SUP touring...Where are you planning to paddle?

I reckon an 11'6" Naish or a 12'6" Starboard wound be fine..even the 11'6" Kalama will do the job.

Did you see this?.. www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39752

I'm planing to do some serious SUP touring and have ordered a new Naish Glide..It's 12' and I would never go any bigger than that..Besides..anything bigger wouldn't fit on my little car.. ..I don't want to have to hang a flag off the back..Check this big'un.



I plan to put deck plugs in like Oliver just did to his 11'6" Naish.



I don't want a board that you need two people to carry it to the water..

DJ

NewcastleSUP
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3 Aug 2008 5:07pm
I own the red board on the pic above for your info DavidJohn it does not take 2 people to carry it. The board weighs a touch under 12kg's and I can hold it up with one hand. As for touring, the longer the better I feel. I have comfortably done 20km paddles on this board.

BWDave, all I can suggest is to try alot of different boards and see which is too your liking.

This forum is full of salesmen and will sell you a donkey when you want a thoroughbred.

As Dave Parmenter has said:
It seems the new hybrid sport of stand-up paddling and surfing is getting more popular everyday. That’s great, but things are moving so fast that it is getting hard to keep up with all the advances. It seems like each day another SUP-oriented business sprouts up, and each seems to have its own ideas about equipment and techniques. Frankly, this infant sport is in an awkward phase its explosive growth has outpaced the formation of a core elite. Simply put, at present there are very few seasoned authorities on SUP surfing out there, yet an increasing number of insta-experts are inflicting all sorts of baloney on the gullible SUP newcomer.
oliver
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3 Aug 2008 4:23pm
I own the red board on the pic above


Whoops.... No one likes having their board bagged on the forum. Pretty amazing that it weighs only 12kg - is it hollow?

Your board still looks like a surfboard though, many of the boards over 12" look like sea kayaks to me, the only difference being that you have nowhere to store your gear on long trips.
DavidJohn
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3 Aug 2008 6:28pm
NewcastleSUP said...

I own the red board on the pic above for your info DavidJohn it does not take 2 people to carry it. The board weighs a touch under 12kg's and I can hold it up with one hand. As for touring, the longer the better I feel. I have comfortably done 20km paddles on this board.

BWDave, all I can suggest is to try alot of different boards and see which is too your liking.

This forum is full of salesmen and will sell you a donkey when you want a thoroughbred.

As Dave Parmenter has said:
It seems the new hybrid sport of stand-up paddling and surfing is getting more popular everyday. That’s great, but things are moving so fast that it is getting hard to keep up with all the advances. It seems like each day another SUP-oriented business sprouts up, and each seems to have its own ideas about equipment and techniques. Frankly, this infant sport is in an awkward phase its explosive growth has outpaced the formation of a core elite. Simply put, at present there are very few seasoned authorities on SUP surfing out there, yet an increasing number of insta-experts are inflicting all sorts of baloney on the gullible SUP newcomer.


It's just my opinion Newcastle SUP..and I've got nothing to sell..

The comment about needing two people was a weak attempt at a joke.. ..and an excuse to post that pic...I know one person can carry them.

I guess their just not my cup a tea..but you never know..In six months time it might be..A friend is getting one and I can't wait to try it...I might even like it.

There is no doubt that those super long boards are faster..and maybe cruisier.

But how do you do a U turn on a narrow river?..or carry it down a narrow twisty walkway..I would like to be able to do these things.

We all have our own opinions..and I'm no expert..in fact guys like you probably know heaps more than me..I look up to guys like you, Jake, even Greenroom..

Have you got any more pics of that big red beast of yours?..

DJ

SF
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3 Aug 2008 7:24pm
Simon,

Do you have any pictures of the underside of the hull? If not a description would do. The Dale Chapman site didn't have any information. The Laguna Bay has a rounded hull, which looks tricky to paddle.

Steve
NewcastleSUP
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3 Aug 2008 7:31pm
Hi Steve,

Send me an email so I have your address and I'll send you a 3 dimensional model of the board that you can move around yourself to see all the details.

Simon
Scotty Mac
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3 Aug 2008 7:12pm
How much is a DC 16?
DavidJohn
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3 Aug 2008 8:58pm
Scotty I think that got asked once before and the answer was that you wont be getting any change from three grand..

DJ
Scotty Mac
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3 Aug 2008 9:09pm
Yep sweet board but a bit rich for me.
BWDave
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3 Aug 2008 9:56pm
Thanks for the input. I have seen the reviews of a couple of months ago (c4 vortice, F16 etc) though they seem to be mainly for racing which I am also interested in but I am hoping to get a board that I can tour on as well. I currently have a 10.6 and an 11.6 C4. Both are great surf tools and the 11.6 paddles well for long runs( up to 20K) but I do feel that I am pushing a lot of water.
Weighing 100kg probably doesn't help the glide much.
I am also interested in joining in with some of the paddles around Melbourne so will keep an eye on the site.
Again thanks for the info and if anyone comes up with anything else I would be pleased to hear it.
JohnDavid
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3 Aug 2008 10:08pm
Welcome Dave. We're paddling on Tuesday night if you're interested.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39977
A few of us are planning some good trips in the near furure, and some longer ones in the summer. Lots of good ideas are being tossed around. You're welcome to join us.
BWDave
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3 Aug 2008 10:12pm
Thanks JohnDavid, Im working this tuesday night but not next or the one after if it is on again. Also keen on any other trips
Regards Dave
oliver
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3 Aug 2008 8:45pm
I currently have a 10.6 and an 11.6 C4. Both are great surf tools and the 11.6 paddles well for long runs( up to 20K)


Just wondering, if your C4 is good for up to 20km how much further are you planning on touring? I would think the 11'6 C4 with the carry holder in the front would be the closest thing to an ideal touring board.

BTW is this your board BWDave?



Can't believe that we have another Dave stand up paddling in Melbourne I hope your middle name isn't John - could get really confusing if it is. Look forward to meeting you on one of the adventures. Hopefully we will do the Rip next.
DavidJohn
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4 Aug 2008 1:16am
No Oliver..that's not Dave's 11'6" C4....I think this is (see pic below)....I hope I've got the right Dave ..

Welcome aboard Dave..I was hoping you'd log on one day..You are welcome to try my new Naish Glide when I get it.

Dave finished second in our race..I tried to get on his tail heading for the turn around point but my little 10'6" just didn't have the glide..and I ran out of puff.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35128

Hope you don't mind me showing your pic.. ..You would have loved doing the Phillip island crossing paddle a couple of weeks ago with us.

We met at the race and you have also met Jonathan..Didn't you guys do the Fawkner beacon?

DJ



BWDave
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4 Aug 2008 11:50am
DavidJohn, Yes that is my board and BBQ shot. Keen to try the Naish glide when it arrives. Yes we did have an oily flat paddle out to the Faulkner beacon which was great though we did get VERY close to a BIG ship.

The reason I want a touring board is that I am keen to do some over nighters carrying camping gear etc. I have even thought that the Murray river marathon would be possible with a good board and team. Though at over 400kms it is well beyond anything I would consider to be fun.

Oliver, You may be right about a gear fastner on the C4, but I would love to take on of the long boards out for a spin. Also would love to paddle the rip. I have paddled out to Quarantine a couple of times and out to Popes eye. It is certainly magic water to paddle in. Just have to get the right tides and wind of course.
JohnDavid
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4 Aug 2008 1:47pm
BWDave, I reckon that these boards are fantastic fun, and very versatile. For example, on Saturday I paddle surfed my Kalama 11'6 in the morning, and fished off it in the afternoon. BUT, IMO, if you are considering overnighters with camping gear, get a sea kayak. They are designed for doing that, and are very sea-worthy. It would be very easy to get caught out in bad conditions on a SUP board, even the longer touring ones, and then it would quickly become something other than fun. I plan to use my board this summer for extended day trips, but overnighting on it is stretching it's limits.
NewcastleSUP......I LOVE the look of your big red board. What is it? BTW, your 'assistant' helping you carry the board comes up well in the photo too!
JohnDavid
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4 Aug 2008 1:49pm
BWDave, a trip I'm planning this summer is to paddle out to Pope's Eye and go snorkelling. maybe we can organise a group paddle for that.
NewcastleSUP
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4 Aug 2008 8:31pm
The red board is a DC16 and yes it is on the $3k mark retail as it is made of the lightest high density foam core available then wrapped in carbon fibre.
BWDave, if you would like something to do overnighters on then you should look into getting someone to shape you one of those standmarans
oliver
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4 Aug 2008 7:09pm
Is this what you are talking about.... Still not any room for storage. Don't really think there is a sub out there suitable for storing tents, sleeping bags etc.



This could be a good touring board: The 15" inflatable ULI. Just need to arrange something to store your sleeping bag and a cover. At the end of a hard day paddling deflate the board slightly and lay on it at night. When you get sick of paddling and lying on your board at night deflate it fully put it in your backpack and catch a bus. pfffft

DavidJohn
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4 Aug 2008 10:40pm
The Laguna might be just what Dave's looking for...It's also what Nic wants.

DJ

BWDave
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5 Aug 2008 1:13pm
The ideas are coming thick and fast, thanks to everyone.
The laguna looks sweet and very long, Im sure there is plenty of room for storage on it.
The standmaran looks fast but not so good for storage. Maybe I should put some plugs in my 11'6 and see how I go to start with. I have waterproof bags from my sea kayaking days.
Any recomendations as to were in Melbourne I can get plugs inserted and the cost? Also how does plugging a board effect the integrity of an epoxy board?
One consideration is placement of gear. You don't want to affect the paddle swap over or foot movement in a swell...
NewcastleSUP, Next time I go north I would love to take the DC16 for a spin
oliver
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5 Aug 2008 11:32am
Any recomendations as to were in Melbourne I can get plugs inserted and the cost? Also how does plugging a board effect the integrity of an epoxy board?
One consideration is placement of gear. You don't want to affect the paddle swap over or foot movement in a swell...


This has been discussed here: www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39934
JonathanC
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5 Aug 2008 7:36pm
Hi Dave, I think the Starboard 12'6" may also be an option. It's 30" wide so very stable but the length really gives it very good glide. Comes with 8 screw holes in the nose already, not that that is a huge factor, it's pretty cheap new but I think there are some already coming up second hand as people move onto smaller boards. Fantastic board to teach people on and quite tough, just a great all rounder, they are selling quite well in Maui as downwinder boards that aren't super tippy like many of the really dedicated longer boards. Why don't you just borrow mine, load it up with some gear and head for Geelong! I'll PM you with my contact details, it's not precious anymore after hitting the concrete on the tail from roofrack height DOH and me repairing it myself. Cheers, Jonathan
BWDave
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5 Aug 2008 9:34pm
Oliver, Thanks for the link. DJ makes it sound very straight forward. though it does go against the grain to drill holes in a perfectly good board. Think I will practice on an old racing mal!!
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