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taterchip
taterchip
QLD
211 posts
QLD, 211 posts
22 Apr 2009 10:44pm
akhawk said...

Gorgo said...

I think the worst situation is when you get caught inside and just make it over the peak. The board can go over the falls or get caught by the white water and twang out to the end of the leash. If anyone is behind you they can get clobbered.

I don't know how to eliminate this one. Even the most skilful surfer is going to get caught inside sometime.

This can happen to any kind of surfer but it is more critical for SUP and other big boards. You can't just push it through the face like a short board.

Being caught by whitewater is less of a problem. You just turn around and ride the foam in and try again. The big problem is when the big sneaker set hits and you just make it over the top ... or not. :-(


Gorgo, this is exactly what happened to me.


Also try to position yourself with nobody directly behind you before the whitewash hits - look around quickly and see what space you have.

Even if there is other surfers caught on the inside as well, look them in the eye and show them by your actions your getting into position to get hammered somewhere not near them, mostly they will see what you are doing and get off to one side a bit.

As well, kick your board (towards the beach, not into the wave) out so the white wash will hit it straight on, this way you will get dragged in a straight line (more or less) - A full on sideways hit on the board will cause the board to get flicked around more and you to get dragged further.

When the surf has some size to it, i really dunno how anyone can be expected to physically hang onto both a 9'+ board and paddle and keep it all under control.
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
22 Apr 2009 10:35pm
hey adam,

not sure if you use one of these


but the creatures outer reef leggies are great for not doing the 25 ft stretch like the thinner mal leggies....well in perth waves anyway..... helps limiting your damage zone to just 10ft + the board, in situations like this.
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
22 Apr 2009 10:36pm
speaking of going down with your sinking ship,,,,


what do u hold onto, i normally find the leash saver with a bit of a dive the best??


i can highly un-recommend the accidental wrapping of the leggy around the ankles method
Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
23 Apr 2009 5:57am
WINDY MILLER said...

speaking of going down with your sinking ship,,,,


what do u hold onto, i normally find the leash saver with a bit of a dive the best??


i can highly un-recommend the accidental wrapping of the leggy around the ankles method


I used to grab the rail saver untill I near had my hand ripped off I wont be grabbing that again In big waves, the best measure I probably find is to do a quick power paddle dash well away from everyone and then bail and get skull dragged twards shore, otherwise If Im in striking distance of other people, I hug the thing and hang on for dear life
Piros
Piros
QLD
7303 posts
QLD, 7303 posts
23 Apr 2009 8:30am

otherwise If Im in striking distance of other people, I hug the thing and hang on for dear life



Brooko you must have arms like King Kong to do that , I know my limits on hanging on to my 9-10 before I dislocate a shoulder .The smaller the board the easier it is to hang onto , but if any newbies are reading this and they are thinking of hanging onto there 11+ boards through broken wasves.... forget it just ditch it as safely as you can even in small stuff.

Rob
Th0m0
Th0m0
QLD
529 posts
QLD, 529 posts
23 Apr 2009 10:42am
There was a good discussion on the Stand up zone about how to keep control of your board when caught inside. Some people have started attaching a handle to the tail of their boards. The idea when caught inside, is to flip your board upside down, grab the handle on the tail, as the wave approaches pull the tail of the board below the surface with you as you duck under. I have tried it and it works quite well. Obviously in big surf it will still get ripped out of your hand but I find having a handle to hang on to really helps me control the board better than trying to grab the leggy or rail saver.
Th0m0



Diver
Diver
WA
554 posts
WA, 554 posts
23 Apr 2009 9:41am
That handle looks like a good idea, might give it a try. With the two plugs on the Starboard it should be easy to set up. Might get a bit hectic with a board in one hand and paddle in the other.

In bigger surf, if I see a set coming I usually have a quick look around me to see where the others are and then start paddling to where I think that they aren't going to be when the waves arrive. Then just jump straight down under the broken wave as it comes and hang on to my paddle - not much you can do with 10'+ of board and 10'+ of leggie hanging off your foot when a set is coming through and you are in the middle of it all. Have tried hanging on to my board with limited success, but I imagine wrestling an angry gorilla would be easier and I was constantly thinking about where the fins might be. Also, my arms have a bit of trouble wrapping around a 30" wide board, or 32" when I had the 12'.

Other than when the situation is hopeless, it is worth trying and practicing paddling over the broken wave - with your feet in the surfing position. You surprise yourself sometimes when it actually works and if you get it right during a set you are in a far better position than the others that are caught inside. And even of you only half make if, you most probably have at least got over the wave.

The more you do it, the more confident you become in using it and if you can pull tricks off like that the others will see that you know what you are doing.

I think there is a description of it on this site somewhere.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5126 posts
VIC, 5126 posts
23 Apr 2009 12:18pm
It is easy to paddle over small broken waves either standing well back on the board or kneeling down.

If the wave is too big to paddle over it is best to turn around and ride the whitewater in, either standing or lying down on the tail of the board. You can angle yourself to the side away from the impact zone. Then you can wait for a lull then paddle out again. With SUP it's not so bad having a long paddle out where on a prone surfboard getting pushed back to shore can be a nightmare.

For mid-size waves you can hug the board and take whatever pounding you get. A handle on the tail might help. Grabbing the rail saver doesn't work at all and is a good way to break your hand.
worrier
worrier
WA
726 posts
WA, 726 posts
23 Apr 2009 10:30am
Ive tried kneelin through the white water and I seem ta get more of a hammerin than standin.
I find if I take the white water standin in the surfin stance I end up over the back of the wave , even if I fall off i dont get too trashed. Then its just a matter of haulin in the board and off ya go again.
I have also been known to run away and have another crack during a lull or paddle around through the channell.
I like the handle idea though. Im gonna go and make one up today while theres no waves.
W
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5126 posts
VIC, 5126 posts
23 Apr 2009 1:04pm
With white water you have a fair bit of warning that things are going to get ugly and you can make a decision to do something.

With a pitching wave 9 times out of 10 you make it over and everything is great (it's actually one of the best SUP experiences standing way up watching a big green beast roll under you).

The problem is that one time when your body makes it over but the lip takes out your board.

The problem is similar to taking off on a wave while people on the inside are paddling for their lives to avoid getting clobbered and they are right in your path. If you make the wave everything is fine. If you blow it there's a chance of hitting the guy in front.

The only sensible thing I can think of is to just not surf at breaks where you don't have room to crash and burn without killing people. At less crowded breaks it your responsibility to try not to hit people ... and it's their responsibility to try not to get hit.

In principle it's the same for people paddling out. Everybody paddles hard to try and get over the face. You are supposed to avoid the face if it means ruining another guy's wave. In reality it is one of the nicest things in surfing to paddle over the shoulder and give a hoot to the rider as they pass by underneath you. Not a lot of people will deliberately paddle for the white water if they think there's a chance of getting over the face.
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