DavidJohn said..
Congrats and well done Rick.. You look amazing and carrying less weight will help in so many ways.

Thanks DJ, that is certainly true.... everything becomes easier.... including carrying much smaller boards

Thanks Creek,

I went on a similar diet once, I think they called it the Atkins diet. I was telling my mates that after two weeks I was tightening my belt one hole every week. It is truely amazing. Again, well done!!

Nice work - Congratulations on the weight loss!

No requirement for Vitamin C from fruit or vegetables if you eat enough red meat - and exclude nearly all carbohydrate consumption.

Glucose and Vitamin C compete for the same transporter sites in your intestinal lining - thus you can run into issues eating Vit C with sugar which is how it usually packaged (in fruit, juice, vitamin jellys etc) as your body cannot absorb it easily.

Your demand requirement for Vitamin C drops as you eliminate carbs - and you are more likely to actually absorb the vitamin C you have eaten.

A properly tenured carnivore diet is nutritionally complete for humans. There is no requirement for plant material in any capacity.

My advice would be to do your own research.

The majority of nutrition 'science' is not actual science at all but theology / ideology presented as science.

I did not state only red meat - I stated that a properly tenured carnivore diet is nutritionally complete. Which it is - without any supplementation required.

Where most people fall down, is a lack of adequate fat in the diet. Also not exercising a slow transition over from a Standard Western Diet to Carnivore to allow the biome to adapt properly.

The majority of YT influencers have no scientific literacy on either side of the Vegan / Carnivore debate.

colas said..

Hoppo3228 said..
I stated that a properly tenured carnivore diet

This is what I wanted to stress: What is a "properly tenured" carnivore diet?
You will find as many definitions as there are "experts". Some even with a 4kg butter daily dose.
Plus diets must be adapted to you and your microbiote, we are all different.

So you should state (or point to) exactly what you mean, otherwise you are falling into the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.
(or here the "Not properly tenured Carnivore Diet")
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Again, I am not debating with you on what is "The True Scotsman".
I am just trying to warn readers that things are more complex.

And "do your own research" is actually dangerous if you do not know how to properly conduct researches.
Most people just fall into the Confirmation Bias trap.
thinkingispower.com/how-to-do-your-own-research/

Ok colas, you have repeatedly pushed your "smart advice" here, so here's my take on how dangerous it is to lean heavily on the advice of the "Medical Professionals"

The world has followed the lead of the US institutions like the USDA and Approved Food Pyramid for 50 years.
NOTHING has proven to be more dangerous for human heath around the globe or more deadly.

The USDA's 1992 Food Guide Pyramid
The introduction of the USDA's food guide Pyramid in 1992 attempted to express the recommended servings of each food group, which previous guides did not do. 6 to 11 servings of bread, cereal, rice and pasta occupied the large base of the pyramid; followed by 3 to 5 servings of vegetables; then fruits (2 to 4); then milk, yogurt and cheese (2 to 3); followed by meat, poultry, fish, dry beans, eggs, and nuts (2 to 3); and finally fats, oils and sweets in the small apex (to be used sparingly). Inside each group were several images of representative foods, as well as symbols representing the fat and sugar contents of the foods

SINCE these Dietary Recommendations by the Government Food Experts were adopted:
Obesity has dramatically increased.
Chronic Disease has dramatically increased.
Diabetes has Skyrocketed.








The ONLY thing that is having a dramatic effect to turn this around did NOT come from the Scientific Community or the Health Experts..
It came from the power of Social Media to expose the connection between Big Food, Big Pharmaceutical and the USDA.
It was the very influencers that detractors say are so dangerous.

The Carnivore Sphere grew from tens of thousands of stories that made a huge base of "Anecdotal evidence" that attracted the attention of thousands of highly qualified Research Scientists, Clinical Physicians, Cardiac Vascular Surgeons and Research Biologist.

The Carnivore Diet has thousands of highly qualified Medical Professionals who not only support this diet but have adopted it themselves and conduct ongoing studies to further the knowledge base.

I made it a point to study a wide range of very respected and hyper qualified Doctors, neuroscientists, Clinical Physicians, Cardiac Vascular Surgeons and Research Biologists.

Looking outside the box and doing meaningful research, isthe most responsible thing we can do to take back our health.

Carnivore is a wide tent.... it varies from person to person. Some eat a wide variety of food with the emphasis on animal products. Some are Red meat only. (They do just fine) I understand that our bodies are perfectly designed to forage on a wide variety of food groups.

Carnivore I the ultimate "Elimination Diet" which many use to reset their health before slowly adding back food variety to achieve s healthy lifestyle.

Dr Robert Cywes is an insanely qualified multi specialized Surgeon turned Health advocate

Dr Philipe Ovadia, Cardiac Vascular Surgeon (3,000widepen heart surgeries) Adopted Carnivore to save his own life

For hardcore Carnivore "Red Meat and water ONLY Anthony Chaffee MD practicing in OZ is an unapologetic wealth of information and opinion


Ben Bikman PhD research scientist specializing in the foundational role of Metabolic Health short take on Carnivore
Animal vs Plant protein

Like BostonSUP says.

Creek, You cannot pretend that the average US citizen has followed in any way the USDA recommendations or medical advice.

US Obesity is related to consuming industrial hyper-transformed products (and soft drinks), it is unrelated to medical advice.
And of course medical advice vary with time. At school in France we were served real beer. And wine was served to kids at school lunches until 1956.

Look at what actual diets real humans in healthy parts of the world have been eating for millennia: The Mediterranean diet, the Japanese diet, ... real, actual diets not things fantasized by pseudo-scientists.You will find them quite diverse and balanced.

colas said..
Like BostonSUP says.

Creek, You cannot pretend that the average US citizen has followed in any way the USDA recommendations or medical advice.

US Obesity is related to consuming industrial hyper-transformed products (and soft drinks), it is unrelated to medical advice.
And of course medical advice vary with time. At school in France we were served real beer. And wine was served to kids at school lunches until 1956.

Look at what actual diets real humans in healthy parts of the world have been eating for millennia: The Mediterranean diet, the Japanese diet, ... real, actual diets not things fantasized by pseudo-scientists.You will find them quite diverse and balanced.

Yes, of course you must be right.. It is purely coincidence that obesity and metabolic illness magically increased from the moment that the USDA nutrition guidelines appeared.
I guess I won't pretend anymore that people actually followed the Food Pyramid. They just collectively began eating junk food and it had nothing to do with following the advice of the USDA.

I respect your opinion Colas. However I disagree with you.

Carbohydrate is not required in the human diet. Ever. There is only essential fatty acids and essential amino acids - no essential carbohydrate.
Fibre is a non-digestible many sugar polymer. It is also not required for healthy bowels. It is in fact contra-indicated to health. It is not a nutrient. Small study, but results are striking. See video here: . Dr Paul Mason explains very clearly to the layman (that's why i chose this video).

Which Mediterrainian diet? there are many variations... Which Japanese Diet? I assume you mean the Okinawan's? If you actually look into it properly you'll find that they ate an enormous amount of Pork. Hong Kong has the highest life expectancy in the world, and guess what... also the highest meat consumption.

Glucose is an adlehyde / aldohexose. What does an aldehyde do to humans...? what about Oxalate? Phytate? Tanin?

I'm not pretending that USA citizens don't eat processed junk food, most clearly do and that has contributed to what we have now. Most of what we have been told over the years in regards to nutrition was only ever pseudo science. The food Pyramid has influenced the majority to believe that a carb heavy diet is best, which I (and many others now) argue is not the right way to go.

Most practicing Doctors still believe that cholesterol causes heart disease. And that Statin drugs increase life span. The most recent data completely goes against that theory.

We can go around in circles all day... I'm stoked for Creek who has found something that has clearly worked for him - so lets just be happy for him.

Hoppo3228 said..
I respect your opinion Colas. However I disagree with you.

Carbohydrate is not required in the human diet.

Reality is more complex, as always.

A summary of the Mediteranean and Japanese diets:
theconversation.com/traditional-japanese-diet-associated-with-less-brain-shrinkage-in-women-compared-to-western-diet-says-research-226347
And there is more in the picture than just the diet. Creek video is great for this as it shows also changes to his lifestyle (one hour+ daily walks...). E.g. Last paragraph of:
www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/mediterranean-style-the-healthy-fats-and-healthy-carbs-diet

colas said..

Hoppo3228 said..
I respect your opinion Colas. However I disagree with you.

Carbohydrate is not required in the human diet.

Reality is more complex, as always.

A summary of the Mediteranean and Japanese diets:
theconversation.com/traditional-japanese-diet-associated-with-less-brain-shrinkage-in-women-compared-to-western-diet-says-research-226347
And there is more in the picture than just the diet. Creek video is great for this as it shows also changes to his lifestyle (one hour+ daily walks...). E.g. Last paragraph of:
www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/mediterranean-style-the-healthy-fats-and-healthy-carbs-diet

Colas,

Reality isn't more complex when it comes to carbohydrate consumption. They are not required at all, ever.

Both of those summaries are not worth the paper they are written on. The Japanese diet association is epidemiology and cannot prove causality - even the publisher couldn't clarify the cause of the results. The Harvard short states Saturated fat and Cholesterol are 'bad'... these have been demonised for well over 40 years - by bad pseudo-science and have now been completely disproven.
If glucose is an aldehyde / aldohexose and is not essential in the human diet - how can it be healthy?

I won't deny that the 'japanese' diet is generally healthier than a standard western diet. Basically any other diet is healthier than the standard western diet... Combining fat and carbohydrate together is where most problems begin.

Also, there are numerous studies linking Vegan diets to brain shrinkage in much younger adults. But none of those studies can prove cause or risk either - they can imply it, but not prove it.

Napnap said..
Fascinating this one. RW, congrats on the weight loss. Keep it off, keep fit keep strong and keep the feedback on your journey coming-any drawbacks?

Thanks Napnap, absolutely no downside to my Carnivore journey! For the first time in my life, I no longer think about food other than at mealtimes. I have zero cravings, zero willpower needed to follow this lifestyle. The food is healthy, whole and satisfying.

The SUP world has always known me as the Big Guy. After 12 years of constant Low Calorie, Low Fat dieting, I was stuck at fairly consistent 235 lbs (107kg) Yes.. I tried the Mediterranean Diet, and all the other "Healthy Diets" Results were always the same.. Be miserable, lose 30 lbs in 3 months till I fell off the diets (as I ALWAYS did) then gain back 35 lbs

Been at this game since College in 1972. Nothing EVER worked beyond the short term I was always in a constant food struggle of denial, hunger and dissatisfaction in every way possible. Extremely frustrating way to live.

You have all witnessed my ups and downs over the past 12 years.. And that was only a small part of my lifetime battle with being constantly FAT.
With Carnivore, all that changed almost overnight. Cravings and dissatisfaction just went away almost immediately. I was lucky because I did so much REAL research by following many very qualified MD's that I went in to Carnivore with a solid understanding of the actual science of my food sources.

There was no adjustment period. just complete satisfaction from my meals, and easy adjustment to incorporate a short food window (9am and 3pm) which leaves me in an 18 hour fast daily.

Honestly, I am rarely even hungry enough to eat at 3pm, so many days, I skimp with something fun but meaningful like a tin of sardines or some Jarlsberg Cheese and Pork Rinds.

I dropped below my goal weight in an amazingly short time. Today at 175 lbs (179 kg), I am a full 50 labs (23kg) below my standard weight over the past 12 years

Weight simply isn't something I think about anymore.
Of course there is loose skin and some wrinkly arms, but not as bad as I anticipated, plus my body is steadily absorbing it, so overall, not too bad.

I feel stronger, more fit and leaner than possibly any time in my life.

I will remain Carnivore forever, but will add back some variety to maintain weight and add some foods I respect and love like Avocado, Plain Full Fat Greek Yogurt, walnuts, wild blueberries and some others from time to time.

I will do a full blood panel when I get home to Cape Cod in June. A FULL blood panel will be from a "Functional Medicine" practitioner who knows what tests to have done. My GP has no clue how to diagnose anything.. He is a "7 minute Physical" type of Doctor that still believes all the outdated markers for health. Unfortunately replacing him is not possible. In New England Doctors almost never take new clients. I stick with my outdated Big Phama Doc because it is my connection to the Greater TUFTs Medical Group that has amazing specialists like the one that saved my vision last year.

Ps the fasting part is a whole other area of fascination!!!

Agreed!!

I'd be interested to know if anyone adds whey protein to their diet after a surf. They say as you get older you need more protein especially if you're a bloke and it's hard to get enough to satisfy an active lifestyle. I get Rick's diet but in my case I don't need to loose much weight - it's energy and recovery after a workout or surf that I lack. Anyway, been mucking around with taking whey straight after a surf and it seems to be helping the recovery. Not sure if it's in the mind but there seems to be more energy the next day. Maybe it's just the extra protein but they say the beauty of whey is it's absorbed immediately.