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Created by AndyrooMac 9 months ago, 17 Aug 2018
Warnsey
NSW, 83 posts
3 Sep 2018 8:55PM
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Picked up a new board on the weekend from Pieter. Absolute cracker!!













saltyheaven
TAS, 498 posts
3 Sep 2018 10:47PM
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Speaking of Devon Howard... Mann that guy is smooth...

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Supercool.

surfanimal
NSW, 1596 posts
4 Sep 2018 6:29AM
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Warnsey said..
Picked up a new board on the weekend from Pieter. Absolute cracker!!


Nice. I enjoyed watching it come through the factory via Pieter's feed and clips.

I've got this 6'10 and can tell you it's a barrel of fun. Enjoy mate.






AndyrooMac
TAS, 1777 posts
4 Sep 2018 8:13AM
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Warnsey said..
Picked up a new board on the weekend from Pieter. Absolute cracker!!














He's a super talented shaper Pieter, beautifully finished boards...

That's a pretty interesting shape, basically a massive Mini-Simmons. Should be a massive wave pig with that wide square tail and go super fast... I'd be curious to see how they turn though as I find thats the issue with a normal Mini-Simmons, I surf an MS around 5'6" and i'm guessing thats close to 7'...

I would try it without the nubster centre as I reckon that would only create drag, maybe you's need it in larger stuff but i doubt you'd take that out in larger stuff unless the waves were really flat.

Would be super fun on small days when you cant really turn and cant noseride the log...

Cool idea I reckon, be interested to get a ride report.

glide77
221 posts
4 Sep 2018 6:17AM
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Nice boards!
i am just finalising the details of my new C Bucket 7,6 for when he turns up next month.
I was going to go the single fin. Any compelling arguments to go 2+1?
ive got a couple of 7.5 -7.75 inch fins I would try...although I note the brothers Marshall fin seems to be quite popular.
would this fin be a good match?...I've only ridden it 9ft boards with the side bites...not in a single fin.




McHenry
SA, 1609 posts
4 Sep 2018 8:27AM
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I see Onboard has a nice used 7.6 C Bucket they just posted on their insta stories this morning if you were interested Glide!

McHenry
SA, 1609 posts
4 Sep 2018 8:28AM
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I see Onboard has a nice used 7.6 C Bucket they just posted on their insta stories this morning if you were interested Glide!

chrispy
WA, 8960 posts
4 Sep 2018 7:58AM
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Some super nice boards one here,and I'm loving some of the expert analysis

I have been a mid length fan for a long time.

Have been through the old single fin phase a few times and had a crack at the rolled bottoms and hulls,absolutely hate them. Hard to ride and very limiting , just plain boring for how I like to surf,inlike turning on a wave and hitting the lip,also I'm not a good enough surfer to get the best out of them though,and the majority of people who ride them are sacrificing a way easier and more fun surfing experience by falling for the cool factor,I see it so much up here .

My favourite board that will never be sold is still my 7'6 bee sting/maca model. 5fin set up is the go. Thruster when its bowly or I want to slow down,but it's a quad the majority of the time ,so much speed and it loves to be put on rail.

I like flat boards,not hipster flat though so I still have some nice rocker through it

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1777 posts
5 Sep 2018 12:44PM
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glide77 said..
Nice boards!
i am just finalising the details of my new C Bucket 7,6 for when he turns up next month.
I was going to go the single fin. Any compelling arguments to go 2+1?
ive got a couple of 7.5 -7.75 inch fins I would try...although I note the brothers Marshall fin seems to be quite popular.
would this fin be a good match?...I've only ridden it 9ft boards with the side bites...not in a single fin.





I had the FT and ran a 7.5" Brothers Marshal Captain Fin... I would say that one should work but may be too big still. As soon as you over fin the board they hate hate it and they don't need too much fin bcs the rails are super refined through the tail and do a lot of the work... Personally I would go single but Scotty went with a Widow maker. I think you only would use the sides if it was solid OH and you wanted to go more vertical... watch this though, its pretty dry but really detailed and thorough...

SP
10040 posts
5 Sep 2018 11:33AM
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glide77 said..
Nice boards!
i am just finalising the details of my new C Bucket 7,6 for when he turns up next month.
I was going to go the single fin. Any compelling arguments to go 2+1?
ive got a couple of 7.5 -7.75 inch fins I would try...although I note the brothers Marshall fin seems to be quite popular.
would this fin be a good match?...I've only ridden it 9ft boards with the side bites...not in a single fin.




They are just better is my argument.

I've had both a single only and another with side bites Get the sides. Especially if you wanna surf it on reefs. They help it get off the mark quicker and make it more manoeuvrable.

You can always surf it as a single if you get sides and don't like it.

The Christenson fin is great in it or the Tudor captain fin is a good fin too.

The CW fins from shapers is a good 2+1 setup.

SP
10040 posts
5 Sep 2018 11:49AM
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There is a good podcast with Devon Howard on 2+1 vs single. Think it was on surf splendour?

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1777 posts
6 Sep 2018 9:44AM
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Speaking of Devon...

Smooooooth...

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chrispthekiwi
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6 Sep 2018 10:46AM
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That Huevo Ranchero work better than I thought it would in a smaller waver that looks pretty fat. Quite likely the surfer though.

Macaha
QLD, 18852 posts
6 Sep 2018 5:47PM
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Nice mid length


surfbroker
NSW, 1417 posts
6 Sep 2018 6:58PM
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AndyrooMac
TAS, 1777 posts
8 Sep 2018 8:42PM
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Torren Martin, real smooth...

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glide77
221 posts
10 Sep 2018 4:17PM
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SP said..
There is a good podcast with Devon Howard on 2+1 vs single. Think it was on surf splendour?


Hmmm.....yeah might have to go the 2+1. As u mentioned I can always still surf it single fin.
so if this is the case what fin would u use in the box? 6.5?
Whi makes them? ...a lot of them stop at 7.5?
cheers

SP
10040 posts
11 Sep 2018 11:17AM
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SP said..
There is a good podcast with Devon Howard on 2+1 vs single. Think it was on surf splendour?




Hmmm.....yeah might have to go the 2+1. As u mentioned I can always still surf it single fin.
so if this is the case what fin would u use in the box? 6.5?
Whi makes them? ...a lot of them stop at 7.5?
cheers



Yeah something around that is a good place to start. I don't really go on height.

I've ridden mine with the same sides and a 8.5 Tudor centre, a 7inch christenson, a mctavish 6 inch and a 5.5 fins unlimited HP longboard fin. They all work. Just need to be in a different box position. It's kinda a trial and error thing to find what you like. Closer the cluster and bigger the centre will make it more single like.

More spread out and closer in size the 3 fins are will be more thruster ish.

As for options. I'm not allowed to look. I am on a program for my fin addiction

But I'd say try shapers, true Ames (think the parish or Wayne rich come in small sizes)
Also locally try Soar fins ( send him a msg or call)
Glide fins.

FCS kai sallas is a good option

The CW shapers fins are a good 2+1 but think they changed the name or stopped making them.

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1777 posts
11 Sep 2018 6:23PM
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glide77 said..



SP said..
There is a good podcast with Devon Howard on 2+1 vs single. Think it was on surf splendour?





Hmmm.....yeah might have to go the 2+1. As u mentioned I can always still surf it single fin.
so if this is the case what fin would u use in the box? 6.5?
Whi makes them? ...a lot of them stop at 7.5?
cheers




Yeah something around that is a good place to start. I don't really go on height.

I've ridden mine with the same sides and a 8.5 Tudor centre, a 7inch christenson, a mctavish 6 inch and a 5.5 fins unlimited HP longboard fin. They all work. Just need to be in a different box position. It's kinda a trial and error thing to find what you like. Closer the cluster and bigger the centre will make it more single like.

More spread out and closer in size the 3 fins are will be more thruster ish.

As for options. I'm not allowed to look. I am on a program for my fin addiction

But I'd say try shapers, true Ames (think the parish or Wayne rich come in small sizes)
Also locally try Soar fins ( send him a msg or call)
Glide fins.

FCS kai sallas is a good option

The CW shapers fins are a good 2+1 but think they changed the name or stopped making them.


Doesn't Joel Tudor call side fine Training Wheels

SP
10040 posts
12 Sep 2018 6:07AM
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AndyrooMac said..

SP said..


glide77 said..




SP said..
There is a good podcast with Devon Howard on 2+1 vs single. Think it was on surf splendour?






Hmmm.....yeah might have to go the 2+1. As u mentioned I can always still surf it single fin.
so if this is the case what fin would u use in the box? 6.5?
Whi makes them? ...a lot of them stop at 7.5?
cheers





Yeah something around that is a good place to start. I don't really go on height.

I've ridden mine with the same sides and a 8.5 Tudor centre, a 7inch christenson, a mctavish 6 inch and a 5.5 fins unlimited HP longboard fin. They all work. Just need to be in a different box position. It's kinda a trial and error thing to find what you like. Closer the cluster and bigger the centre will make it more single like.

More spread out and closer in size the 3 fins are will be more thruster ish.

As for options. I'm not allowed to look. I am on a program for my fin addiction

But I'd say try shapers, true Ames (think the parish or Wayne rich come in small sizes)
Also locally try Soar fins ( send him a msg or call)
Glide fins.

FCS kai sallas is a good option

The CW shapers fins are a good 2+1 but think they changed the name or stopped making them.



Doesn't Joel Tudor call side fine Training Wheels



We all need training wheels compared to Tudor.

Funny he praises Tak, yet nearly all Taks eggs are 2 +1 or straight thrusters?

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1777 posts
12 Sep 2018 11:50AM
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AndyrooMac said..


SP said..



glide77 said..





SP said..
There is a good podcast with Devon Howard on 2+1 vs single. Think it was on surf splendour?







Hmmm.....yeah might have to go the 2+1. As u mentioned I can always still surf it single fin.
so if this is the case what fin would u use in the box? 6.5?
Whi makes them? ...a lot of them stop at 7.5?
cheers






Yeah something around that is a good place to start. I don't really go on height.

I've ridden mine with the same sides and a 8.5 Tudor centre, a 7inch christenson, a mctavish 6 inch and a 5.5 fins unlimited HP longboard fin. They all work. Just need to be in a different box position. It's kinda a trial and error thing to find what you like. Closer the cluster and bigger the centre will make it more single like.

More spread out and closer in size the 3 fins are will be more thruster ish.

As for options. I'm not allowed to look. I am on a program for my fin addiction

But I'd say try shapers, true Ames (think the parish or Wayne rich come in small sizes)
Also locally try Soar fins ( send him a msg or call)
Glide fins.

FCS kai sallas is a good option

The CW shapers fins are a good 2+1 but think they changed the name or stopped making them.




Doesn't Joel Tudor call side fine Training Wheels




We all need training wheels compared to Tudor.

Funny he praises Tak, yet nearly all Taks eggs are 2 +1 or straight thrusters?


Haha... totally...

I only see him riding Tak logs though... and it does seem he likes a Bonzer as does Knost.

I think it generally depends on how you turn, the side bites only create drive on a swooping turn and do they help if you want to go more vertical but they are drag in a straight line...

I'm still waiting on my Bonzer fins for the Lizzy, I still fail to see how they will help but if they do... then WOWSERS, that board is already something special, by far and away my favorite ride...

SP
10040 posts
12 Sep 2018 4:04PM
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If your going straight and the board is flat your doing surfing wrong.

The only time the water could flow "straight across the bottom is pointing straight at the shore

The wave curve and angle mean your board is never really flat and in a straight line so I don't buy the add drag theory. A moving wave, turning board, bottom and rail curves contours all work together to geneate speed drive and lift.

I think of it like putting a motor on a boat. If its drifting it's dragging but start the motor and the force overcomes the drag. Just buy catching a wave and going across you are giving it propulsion and engaging the fins, rails and bottom contours which naturally produce lift and drive. . especially if the bottom has concave.
The lift and drive overcome any drag.

There is a good article on the Cambell bros website about directing waterflow and board angle. Ie the water never flow straight across the board.

bonzer5.com/boards/bonzer-mechanics/

In the end it's what you enjoy riding and how it feels

Ricardo1709
NSW, 1109 posts
12 Sep 2018 7:04PM
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Hey SP what are the dimensions of your speed egg and did Malcolm shape it or done by psillakis or another Campbell bros licencee.I have a Russ Short and am considering something similar to yours in the 6'10 -7'2" range

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1777 posts
12 Sep 2018 8:02PM
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SP said..
If your going straight and the board is flat your doing surfing wrong.

The only time the water could flow "straight across the bottom is pointing straight at the shore

The wave curve and angle mean your board is never really flat and in a straight line so I don't buy the add drag theory. A moving wave, turning board, bottom and rail curves contours all work together to geneate speed drive and lift.

I think of it like putting a motor on a boat. If its drifting it's dragging but start the motor and the force overcomes the drag. Just buy catching a wave and going across you are giving it propulsion and engaging the fins, rails and bottom contours which naturally produce lift and drive. . especially if the bottom has concave.
The lift and drive overcome any drag.

There is a good article on the Cambell bros website about directing waterflow and board angle. Ie the water never flow straight across the board.

bonzer5.com/boards/bonzer-mechanics/

In the end it's what you enjoy riding and how it feels


"lectured"

I'm going to get the transcript of the Dave Parmeter interview on surf splendour and post it as a response...

Personally, I just prefer the feel of a single fin or twin keels... And my style is too fkn lazy to get the benefits of a thruster... But like I said, keen to try the Lizzy as a bonzer to compare...

onefin
85 posts
13 Sep 2018 4:19AM
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Hey Andy, hang in there for those bonzer fins, SP is on the money. The bottom contour of the Lizzy is bonzer like & designed to be ridden as a bonzer in the shorter lengths. It def works as a single but the bonzer sides give it extra drive without any significant drag.

i love singles as well but on rolled bottom boards. I get Devon Howard's point but doubt I would ride his Howard mini special as a 2+1. Check out the Vouch website, they have their evo which is a great single fin and have just released a Devo. The devo appears to be an evo with concaves and..... a 2+1 set up. I think this is where Joel Tudor is coming from.

Either way, I am sure you re having a blast, the Lizzy is a great board and worth the wait!

SP
10040 posts
13 Sep 2018 4:10PM
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Ricardo1709 said..
Hey SP what are the dimensions of your speed egg and did Malcolm shape it or done by psillakis or another Campbell bros licencee.I have a Russ Short and am considering something similar to yours in the 6'10 -7'2" range


Love the Russ Short outline. Mine is 7'2x 21 1/4 x 3. But feels less bulky then the dims look. Not sure nose and tail but think they are about 13.5 - 14. Has heaps of paddle power but still surfs pretty good. Especially when you get your foot back over the Ewing. Think the Ewing is supposed to shorten the turning radius. Hard to find much about it anywhere.

It was shaped by Malcolm amd I picked it up second hand. I'd probably go for less bulk if I went custom but really happy with how it goes.

And yeah Andy I started to listen to hat podcast but got distracted and never went back. He is an interesting bloke. Might have to find time to listen to the rest of it.

He used to write some good articles for the surfes journal too

This is a good one.

www.surfersjournal.com/feature/extinction-level-event/

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1777 posts
14 Sep 2018 6:31AM
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SP said..

Ricardo1709 said..
Hey SP what are the dimensions of your speed egg and did Malcolm shape it or done by psillakis or another Campbell bros licencee.I have a Russ Short and am considering something similar to yours in the 6'10 -7'2" range



Love the Russ Short outline. Mine is 7'2x 21 1/4 x 3. But feels less bulky then the dims look. Not sure nose and tail but think they are about 13.5 - 14. Has heaps of paddle power but still surfs pretty good. Especially when you get your foot back over the Ewing. Think the Ewing is supposed to shorten the turning radius. Hard to find much about it anywhere.

It was shaped by Malcolm amd I picked it up second hand. I'd probably go for less bulk if I went custom but really happy with how it goes.

And yeah Andy I started to listen to hat podcast but got distracted and never went back. He is an interesting bloke. Might have to find time to listen to the rest of it.

He used to write some good articles for the surfes journal too

This is a good one.

www.surfersjournal.com/feature/extinction-level-event/


The hydronamic stuff he talks about is pretty interesting... He does come across as pretty arrogant but his theories seem pretty sound... I do particularly love that he paddled out at an asp contest on a log bcs the conditions were sh1t and hung 5 over, only got a 3 though... Deffinately worth a listen on the way to a surf

McHenry
SA, 1609 posts
14 Sep 2018 9:53AM
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I personally don't think that he comes across as arrogant. He just doesn't follow the trends and is a bit blunt in his approach. I respect that as I feel like in surfing and many other industries most are sheep and are afraid to stray from the pack.

Macaha
QLD, 18852 posts
14 Sep 2018 12:33PM
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Sorry to rain on the party but here is my mid length glider




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