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Created by WindNoob 5 months ago, 10 Sep 2019
WindNoob
VIC, 21 posts
10 Sep 2019 7:53AM
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So I've been scouring the internet and nobody seems to do this. I found a cheap epoxy 7'2" Torq funboard and swapped out an old longboard for it. It's got a thruster setup which I gave a red hot go and HATED it. Had some (possibly too much) red wine, pulled out a twin + trailer set of Futures, threw them on and woke in the morning to see the Frankenstein-round-pin-twinny-thing. Took it to Lorne point and it went like the Clappers! Super early paddle in, swooping bottom turn and speed to burn through the sections. Is this a fluke? I'm not seeing any mini mals or round pin funboards with twins and I'm wondering why. The fins are even long enough to even get cheater 5s. Seems perfect so I'm wondering if anyone else is doing this. Thoughts?


justaddwater
NSW, 134 posts
10 Sep 2019 8:24AM
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WindNoob said..
So I've been scouring the internet and nobody seems to do this. I found a cheap epoxy 7'2" Torq funboard and swapped out an old longboard for it. It's got a thruster setup which I gave a red hot go and HATED it. Had some (possibly too much) red wine, pulled out a twin + trailer set of Futures, threw them on and woke in the morning to see the Frankenstein-round-pin-twinny-thing. Took it to Lorne point and it went like the Clappers! Super early paddle in, swooping bottom turn and speed to burn through the sections. Is this a fluke? I'm not seeing any mini mals or round pin funboards with twins and I'm wondering why. The fins are even long enough to even get cheater 5s. Seems perfect so I'm wondering if anyone else is doing this. Thoughts?



Loved twins as a young fella,the best era in surfing for me! lots of crew who have tried putting twins in thruster/2+1 set ups don't stay there long imo.true twin fin placement is further back/in from rail/more can't/ toe ect.Check out the Gary McNeil stuff that Rasta And co are riding if you like them longer with a new approach the central channel with edge seems to be working F... those guys can surf,back to point if you are enjoying what you are doing that's gold,however if you haven't tried a real twin set up ,you will definitely feel the difference when you do

Cuttlefish
QLD, 967 posts
10 Sep 2019 1:16PM
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Yep.

WindNoob
VIC, 21 posts
10 Sep 2019 7:58PM
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So glad to see I'm not going crazy and it's a happening thing. I'm drooling over that second photo. Haven't been this stoked to get back in the water since my last new board- 20 years ago! Even though it's not a true twinny, I highly recommend the feeling. Cheers!

justaddwater
NSW, 134 posts
11 Sep 2019 8:10AM
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So glad to see I'm not going crazy and it's a happening thing. I'm drooling over that second photo. Haven't been this stoked to get back in the water since my last new board- 20 years ago! Even though it's not a true twinny, I highly recommend the feeling. Cheers!


Lorne point,surfed there pre leg ropes,those rocks can get close at times,left my fair share of fibreglass and skin on them!HaHa,beautiful part of the west coast Vicco.

Hydromann
139 posts
21 Jan 2020 1:35AM
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I got a Beau Young Carbon Jet 6'10", it came with the 2+1 as standard. Got the young fella to change throw in a set of 4" fins as a sweetener so I could ride quad.

Having never ridden a quad I was more keen on the 2+1 but it was sluggish and hard to call catch a decent wave. Decided to swap out to the quad and BAM a different machine.

The difference was night and day. Drooling to get a set of Soar twins to fit and try with a small stabiliser like the setup on Webber Diamonds.

I can't believe I've been surfing for over 30 years and wroth twins off when I was young based on one bad design and ride.

I feel like a grommet all over again. Bring on the Soars.

BTW anyone know what those blue fins are? They look absolutely stunning.

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1845 posts
21 Jan 2020 8:25AM
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One of the best ways to keep surfing fun is experimentation, doing the same thing day on day, even when its amazing will eventually lose its gloss so good on you for the experiment and super stoked for the affect its had on your experience.

I have 7'3" mid I shaped for myself, it's shaped to ride as a single when the waves are breaking a bit slower but when its round and fast It's set up to run as a twin so it hugely improves the range of the board, she's really 2 boards in one.

The twins give better instant acceleration and hold really nice with the rounded pin in hollower waves than the single, fast fun and loose. But for me if its lined up for turns, the flex fin single still feels sweeter for big arcing turns.

Twin fin rounded pins are pretty popular atm, Simon Jones from Morning of the Earth boards is a big proponent of these and is largely responsible for the resurgence through his clips with Torren Martyn, one of the most stylish surfers getting around that went pretty viral. Anyways, Keyo, Vouch, Josh Keogh, SDR, Mackie, Van Straalin, Firewire etc etc are all making some pretty amazing mid twin pins ...

Here's a link to mine, its a wide point fwd egg and she goes pretty much amazing for a first board, very hard to get off her even with a Lovelace in the quiver. www.instagram.com/p/B1z8Vh8HazK/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I've also tried mine just with the micro bites, basically finless but with the tiny side to give her a bit of holdin the face and turning... its pretty liberating, faster again and loose as f%$#*k but alos, pretty outta control.

Pretty sure those fins are the ModII Large flex tip twin's, these are decent budget fins that are solid glass and hand foiled... great way to experiment with fins without breaking the budget but definitely not on the level of True Ames, Alkali or Glide fins for quality. fins. www.sanctumsurf.com.au/fins/

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Cuttlefish
QLD, 967 posts
21 Jan 2020 12:34PM
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Yep. Andy spotted em. Those blue twins are futures bases only.
I ride all sorts of weird fin combos which has taught me what works and what doesn't in different boards.
In the carbon jet a set of the Modii twins in the black fibreglass (see pics above) would go well. Not expensive to buy and a nice template which is close (Not exactly the same) to a CI AMT twin which is an excellent twin fin but also 2 x the price.

Hydromann
139 posts
22 Jan 2020 7:43AM
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Thanks guys, great recommendations. Only problem with the Sanctum is that they only do futurers base on those and the CJet is running FCS1 dual tabs.

I really love these quads, well the thought of them. Webber uses these on his Diamond in a 1+2 setup. One trailer and the twins up front.

Having run a bastardised quad set up on the CJet and loving it I'm keen to try these from Soar, but coin is short so thinking of foiling some myself out of old cheap windsurfer fins that you can pick up for a couple of bucks.

www.soarfin.com/epages/soarfin.mobile/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/kc/Products/3808390/SubProducts/3808390-0004

These would be the ducks nuts I recon, Dead simple to switch up between a pure twin, a quad, or even the 1+2 setup for different conditions

And if you are dead keen to just run the keels up front for some very loose action.

More options and combos than available waves and days.

Hydromann
139 posts
22 Jan 2020 7:58AM
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And just quickly one of the clinchers in going the CJet over a custom apart from obvious cost difference, was the versatility of fin options you can run.

Whilst shape, features, rocker and volume are very mindful considerations, fins apparently can contribute to over 50 percent on the boards performance.

You can take something that performs and handles like a slug and completely transform it into a dream ride with the right fins.

When I got the CJet it came with plasti fantasti 2+1. If you check the vids if Beau Young riding it his has some upgraded real fibreglass in it and you can see how well it runs.

The plastics supplied are done for cost, but I think they don't do the board justice.

I'm using G5 plastics up front and 4" in the back for the quad and it flies. I can only imagine how much better again it would run with some nice glass underside.

They would be much more lively and responsive than the plastics.

McHenry
SA, 1665 posts
22 Jan 2020 1:05PM
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Have you scoured Gumtree? I look across Australia as the postage is cheap cheap.

SO if you find some interstate and its what you want then get them posted for you for about 10 bucks.

Hydromann
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23 Jan 2020 8:10AM
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Have you scoured Gumtree? I look across Australia as the postage is cheap cheap.

SO if you find some interstate and its what you want then get them posted for you for about 10 bucks.


Yeah looked everywhere, keeping my eyes open.

Cheers

Tux
VIC, 3794 posts
23 Jan 2020 1:17PM
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Whilst shape, features, rocker and volume are very mindful considerations, fins apparently can contribute to over 50 percent on the boards performance.





So the fins are the most important consideration and the rest are just very mindful?

Hydromann
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24 Jan 2020 6:31AM
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Hydromann said..


Whilst shape, features, rocker and volume are very mindful considerations, fins apparently can contribute to over 50 percent on the boards performance.







So the fins are the most important consideration and the rest are just very mindful?



For my decision and budget yes.

I was very mindful of the compromises I accepted in these areas over what my wish list was.

What I wanted was a single concave transitioning into a double to a rounded pin tail with a vee from mid to tail, round to semi round nose and between 45 to 52 L volume, with length between 6'2" and 7'2" depending on volume distribution.

It also had to have multi fin mounting combinations to transition from one set of conditions to another easily.

The 2 boards that came close to filling that brief were the Miller SubX and the Webber Diamond. Neither of which I could find as seconds, and could not afford new.

So my wish list for "hull shape" was a mindful consideration and compromise. Not unlike any other watercraft, you trade one set of features off for another to get what you want.

I wanted a one quiver board that I could easily modify it's performance for varying conditions based on skeg setup.

Glad to report that the CJet actually exceeds my expectations. It has a well designed core shape and I can easily mix the performance up with fins. And I guarantee unless you have a dog of a hull form the single most powerfull change you can make to a boards performance is the fins.

You can do way more with fin size, shape, sweep, cant, toe in and materials than with minor tweeks to the rails, rocker, shape and form of the hull.

Hence mindful considerations.

I would tell everyone to buy a board that allows to to mix it up with the fins so you can run any combo you want from single to 2+1, quad, tri, twin or even quinn.

Basically unless you've done something really dumb like a reverse rocker any form can be improved with the right fins to suit the rider and conditions.

Hope this helps clarify what I meant. Not dissing shapers but there are multiple factors that change a board performance beyond shapes of rails etc. You just need to look at materials to know this, you can have two identical shape ridden by the same surfer in identical conditions. You change the materials which the affects weight, files and floatation and you get two completely different performance outcomes.

You then add the variable of fins into mix and the changes in performance compound.

Macaha
QLD, 19749 posts
24 Jan 2020 8:50AM
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Yes budgets can come into play however I do see guys paying 399 for a board and fitting them with fin sets up to 200 bucks?

Go figure!

SP
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24 Jan 2020 8:01AM
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Macaha said..
Yes budgets can come into play however I do see guys paying 399 for a board and fitting them with fin sets up to 200 bucks?

Go figure!




Fins are the single most important part though?
So by some people logic buy a cheap average board, add good fins and it will be awesome. ??

Macaha
QLD, 19749 posts
24 Jan 2020 10:16AM
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SP said..

Macaha said..
Yes budgets can come into play however I do see guys paying 399 for a board and fitting them with fin sets up to 200 bucks?

Go figure!





Fins are the single most important part though?
So by some people logic buy a cheap average board, add good fins and it will be awesome. ??


So thats been my problem all these years .I've gone quality boards with quality fins, straight to gumtree to find some rubber fins.
lookout WSL I'm coming in HOT

laceys lane
QLD, 18993 posts
24 Jan 2020 10:25AM
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Macaha said..
Yes budgets can come into play however I do see guys paying 399 for a board and fitting them with fin sets up to 200 bucks?

Go figure!


Are you that dumb.
Boards come and go.
Fins are forever.
Ffs you of all people should know that
Sometimes i wonder which planet you were born on.

Ps . Good morning mac

Macaha
QLD, 19749 posts
24 Jan 2020 10:27AM
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laceys lane said..

Macaha said..
Yes budgets can come into play however I do see guys paying 399 for a board and fitting them with fin sets up to 200 bucks?

Go figure!



Are you that dumb.
Boards come and go.
Fins are forever.
Ffs you of all people should know that
Sometimes i wonder which planet you were born on.

Ps . Good morning mac


LOL some of you're finest work above

SP
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24 Jan 2020 8:37AM
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laceys lane said..

Macaha said..
Yes budgets can come into play however I do see guys paying 399 for a board and fitting them with fin sets up to 200 bucks?

Go figure!



Are you that dumb.
Boards come and go.
Fins are forever.
Ffs you of all people should know that
Sometimes i wonder which planet you were born on.

Ps . Good morning mac


Mac has angered the fin guru.

laceys lane
QLD, 18993 posts
24 Jan 2020 10:40AM
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Haha. Just a bit fun

Hydromann
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28 Jan 2020 10:43AM
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Yep.


Cuttlefish,

You've got the two fin sets I've been looking at.

The blues are from Sanctum right? The big twins with futures only mounts?

The Soars are what I have been chasing around for a used set, can you tell me how the Soar go with the trailers? What size board you have them fitted to? Best type of conditions for them etc.

I was wanting to run the Soars like Webber sets them up on the Double Diamond. The flex twins with the single trailer, have you tried that as well?

Cheers,

SP
10213 posts
28 Jan 2020 3:07PM
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Based on the more fin boxes the better theory this board could be the best board ever made. . Hopefully it was made in China too..


laceys lane
QLD, 18993 posts
28 Jan 2020 5:58PM
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SP said..
Based on the more fin boxes the better theory this board could be the best board ever made. . Hopefully it was made in China too..



I can see the "stand in the middle glider boys" frothing on this set up

Macaha
QLD, 19749 posts
28 Jan 2020 6:09PM
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laceys lane said..

SP said..
Based on the more fin boxes the better theory this board could be the best board ever made. . Hopefully it was made in China too..



I can see the "stand in the middle glider boys" frothing on this set up


I think you should go into the SB forum, there is a SBW fan in there maybe you guys could hangout and talk story

Cuttlefish
QLD, 967 posts
28 Jan 2020 9:20PM
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Cuttlefish said..









Yep.




Cuttlefish,

You've got the two fin sets I've been looking at.

The blues are from Sanctum right? The big twins with futures only mounts?

The Soars are what I have been chasing around for a used set, can you tell me how the Soar go with the trailers? What size board you have them fitted to? Best type of conditions for them etc.

I was wanting to run the Soars like Webber sets them up on the Double Diamond. The flex twins with the single trailer, have you tried that as well?

Cheers,



Blue twins are Sanctum and futures only.
Soars I've ridden with the soar trailer/trailers in quads and also with a single trailer in the rear thruster plugs. The trailers are fine but I prefer other trailers like the fcs red nubster or Dick van Straalen shark tooth sidebites with the Soar twins. Sanctum do a similar trailer to the DVS for only $18. It depends upon the tail width to what I will choose as a trailer. Wider the tail the more fin area in the trailer. The bonzer side runners in the rear quad fin plugs are great for controlling speed.
I've run the Soars in many boards from DVS micro mal 6'ers to a midlength 7'6". The two tajens in a 6'6" and 7'er and my current new toy a 6'6" Mick Grace step deck. They have worked well in all of them. I've had a couple of epic sessions on the 6'6" tajen when its been 4-5' A frame, glassy and barrelling and its a snowboard in powder like carve which is such a good feeling.


Mick Grace and tajen.

Hydromann
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28 Jan 2020 8:00PM
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Hydromann said..



Cuttlefish said..









Yep.





Cuttlefish,

You've got the two fin sets I've been looking at.

The blues are from Sanctum right? The big twins with futures only mounts?

The Soars are what I have been chasing around for a used set, can you tell me how the Soar go with the trailers? What size board you have them fitted to? Best type of conditions for them etc.

I was wanting to run the Soars like Webber sets them up on the Double Diamond. The flex twins with the single trailer, have you tried that as well?

Cheers,




Blue twins are Sanctum and futures only.
Soars I've ridden with the soar trailer/trailers in quads and also with a single trailer in the rear thruster plugs. The trailers are fine but I prefer other trailers like the fcs red nubster or Dick van Straalen shark tooth sidebites with the Soar twins. Sanctum do a similar trailer to the DVS for only $18. It depends upon the tail width to what I will choose as a trailer. Wider the tail the more fin area in the trailer. The bonzer side runners in the rear quad fin plugs are great for controlling speed.
I've run the Soars in many boards from DVS micro mal 6'ers to a midlength 7'6". The two tajens in a 6'6" and 7'er and my current new toy a 6'6" Mick Grace step deck. They have worked well in all of them. I've had a couple of epic sessions on the 6'6" tajen when its been 4-5' A frame, glassy and barrelling and its a snowboard in powder like carve which is such a good feeling.


Mick Grace and tajen.


Cheers Bro, some sweet rides you have there.

Really do like the Soars but only got a budget for the Sanctum ModII plus twin trailers.

How did the MODII compare to the Soars?

Cuttlefish
QLD, 967 posts
29 Jan 2020 6:19AM
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The Soars are a whole different feel and I will say on one of the very good beachbreak days I was surfing my tajen with the Soar twins and red nubster trailer I swapped boards with a mate. He got a couple of waves and on giving me the board back said he thought the board would go better as a thruster. He is more of a conventional surfer with the lines he chooses on a wave compared to me.
Having said that the planshape is a copy of a hypto which he has owned but that was a while ago and the board doesn't mind being surfed with your feet forward more than a typical wide point behind centre thruster.
The soars are like having a nice flex single fin like a Greenough 4a on the rail of your board.
If you want a set of twins that will still go well in more powerful waves but release off the top and have great drive due to a wide base I would first buy a set of Channel islands AMT twins over the Modiis. The PC core is stiff enough to handle some juice.
I wouldn't buy the black plastic edition of the AMTs.
The AMT pc cores are a favourite fin of mine and go great with small trailers in the quad plugs on wide tailed boards.
The Modii twins are a thin fin. That's something you don't see on a website and so find out when they turn up in your mailbox. Lots of flex so good in smaller waves but that will lose some control when you surf them in more powerful waves.
Buy a set of AMTs from a website that does afterpay or zip pay. Then you can pay them off over a couple of months. When you sign up with Surfstitch you usually get an introductory voucher to save $s and they have sales on fins from time to time.

Hydromann
139 posts
29 Jan 2020 10:07AM
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Cuttlefish you are a legend.

I'm still leaning towards the Soars, it's that intangible thing in the look of something that you just know will work for you.

Mostly surfing groveling beach breaks between 2 to 4 ft, very peaky so you don't get a long ride but you do get plenty of practice duck diving and working on your pop up. Sometimes heading down south to much more power, so I am thinking the Soars with a small stabiliser or quad setup in the mush and then a larger stabiliser in the back in the more powerful stuff. Heck I might even use them in a 2+1 setup with a 6.5" single in the back.

Anyway for over 80% of my surfing I want something that will glide nice, grip well and release off the top, but at the same time hold a hard bottom turn. So far the quads are doing this but I have had few chances to push their limits, and never having ridden quads before they do feel a whole lot different.

Macaha
QLD, 19749 posts
30 Jan 2020 2:04PM
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Cuttlefish
QLD, 967 posts
30 Jan 2020 3:40PM
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This should work. Fin plugs not optimal for a twin but I can usually work around that to some extent with stance adjustments.


AMT twins and trailer.



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