Phantasm Kite Foil

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CYVRWoody
CYVRWoody
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LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
3939 posts
1 Oct 2020 3:43am
Why not buy the front wing for windfoiling?
I use a 600 sq.cm. kitefoil for all my windfoiling...7-15 knot breezes...at 75 kg and 6.0 sail max if the breeze gusts to 13.
My 1220 wing sits in the van to get wet one out of 5 days just to validate the low end ability of the 600 wing.
A 65 kg friend of mine often uses his custom 450sq.cm. front wing if gusts go over 18 knots.
swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
QLD, 1929 posts
1 Oct 2020 6:36am
Aren't these just Moses foils with a slingshot sticker on them?
airsail
airsail
QLD
1604 posts
QLD, 1604 posts
1 Oct 2020 7:16am
swoosh said..
Aren't these just Moses foils with a slingshot sticker on them?


No, they are a completely new range. Some type of tech mast construction to improve stiffness.
thedoor
thedoor
2506 posts
2506 posts
1 Oct 2020 5:25am
LeeD said..
Why not buy the front wing for windfoiling?
I use a 600 sq.cm. kitefoil for all my windfoiling...7-15 knot breezes...at 75 kg and 6.0 sail max if the breeze gusts to 13.
My 1220 wing sits in the van to get wet one out of 5 days just to validate the low end ability of the 600 wing.
A 65 kg friend of mine often uses his custom 450sq.cm. front wing if gusts go over 18 knots.


That 633 wind does look sick but I think I would find the 710 fuselage too short for windfoiling
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
3939 posts
1 Oct 2020 8:50am
Does that wing fit on a longer fuze?
I'm on Naish 64 fuze, both 1220 and 600, and stabs work either way.
thedoor
thedoor
2506 posts
2506 posts
1 Oct 2020 1:13pm
LeeD said..
Does that wing fit on a longer fuze?
I'm on Naish 64 fuze, both 1220 and 600, and stabs work either way.


I think it will but I don't think they are selling longer phantasm fuses yet.
Samkyo
Samkyo
99 posts
99 posts
1 Oct 2020 2:41pm
Hope they will produce an adaptator to allow the use of an hover glide Wing on a Phantasm mast to enjoy both system
CoreAS
CoreAS
WA
923 posts
WA, 923 posts
1 Oct 2020 9:27pm
From my understanding the windfoil phantasm is still being tweaked, and there should be a winging foil phantasm system as well.

Obviously the fuse length is pretty important for windfoiling, but the kiters got it first, they're more of them
thedoor
thedoor
2506 posts
2506 posts
2 Oct 2020 12:11am
CoreAS said..
From my understanding the windfoil phantasm is still being tweaked, and there should be a winging foil phantasm system as well.

Obviously the fuse length is pretty important for windfoiling, but the kiters got it first, they're more of them


Danglers unite
michaelpaf
michaelpaf
92 posts
92 posts
13 Oct 2020 6:50pm
thedoor said..

CoreAS said..
From my understanding the windfoil phantasm is still being tweaked, and there should be a winging foil phantasm system as well.

Obviously the fuse length is pretty important for windfoiling, but the kiters got it first, they're more of them



Danglers unite


Kite Friend of me is still waiting for his one. Are there just experiences with the phanstasm's compared to the HG Line?
WindMode
WindMode
813 posts
813 posts
13 Oct 2020 7:53pm
If the website is correct, that phantasm stabiliser is huge, on the website it says wingspan 400mm, but surface area 567cm2!!

I think they are wrong though, because 400mm wingspan and 89mm chord are never gonna add up to 567cm2, 367cm2 more likely.
KDog
KDog
379 posts
379 posts
13 Oct 2020 10:01pm
Slingshot website always has some mistakes in one place they list 114 wizard sail size 3.5 to 7.5 on the spec. sheet 3.5 to 5.2. I think the the person that does the website has a lot to update with 5 different sports.
duzzi
duzzi
1127 posts
1127 posts
14 Oct 2020 10:24pm
airsail said..

swoosh said..
Aren't these just Moses foils with a slingshot sticker on them?



No, they are a completely new range. Some type of tech mast construction to improve stiffness.


Slingshot does not "make" any foil ... they outsource, and the maker is most likely Moses as it was in the past.
airsail
airsail
QLD
1604 posts
QLD, 1604 posts
15 Oct 2020 7:32am
duzzi said..

airsail said..


swoosh said..
Aren't these just Moses foils with a slingshot sticker on them?




No, they are a completely new range. Some type of tech mast construction to improve stiffness.



Slingshot does not "make" any foil ... they outsource, and the maker is most likely Moses as it was in the past.


These are Slingshot foils, Moses and Slingshot parted company re foils some time ago. Slingshot was the original designer of the popular 633 wing hence being available on the Phantasm range. The mast is double moulded 12k high modulus carbon, not just a wood or foam core. A mate has one on order, I'm very keen to have a go.
Grantmac
Grantmac
2389 posts
2389 posts
15 Oct 2020 8:15am
Definitely not Moses, I'm thinking a different Chinese manufacturer than before considering the original one they worked with is happily selling their design under other labels now.
michaelpaf
michaelpaf
92 posts
92 posts
17 Oct 2020 4:16pm
Any concrete review of the phantasm Foil?
Samkyo
Samkyo
99 posts
99 posts
18 Oct 2020 11:03pm
Hello,

any idea what the slingshot wing on the left look bigger than the I65




duzzi
duzzi
1127 posts
1127 posts
19 Oct 2020 10:48pm
airsail said..


duzzi said..



airsail said..




swoosh said..
Aren't these just Moses foils with a slingshot sticker on them?






No, they are a completely new range. Some type of tech mast construction to improve stiffness.





Slingshot does not "make" any foil ... they outsource, and the maker is most likely Moses as it was in the past.




These are Slingshot foils, Moses and Slingshot parted company re foils some time ago. Slingshot was the original designer of the popular 633 wing hence being available on the Phantasm range. The mast is double moulded 12k high modulus carbon, not just a wood or foam core. A mate has one on order, I'm very keen to have a go.



Moses manufactures foils. Slingshot does not manufactures anything, it outsources the production (like many do). In previous years the Slingshot wood and foam core wings were not manufactured by Moses.
CoreAS
CoreAS
WA
923 posts
WA, 923 posts
19 Oct 2020 11:36pm
Phantasm on a 125cm mast





dejavu
dejavu
825 posts
825 posts
20 Oct 2020 3:13am
Apparently you need evidence that you've completed a high altitude training course before you can purchase one of these foils with mast. Also, a specially constructed impact jacket is included in the price of each foil and you have to sign a waiver that you won't hold Sling Shot liable for any injuries due to ejecting without your Sling Shot parachute (also included in the price).

It won't be long before we're all riding one of these!

Paducah
Paducah
2846 posts
2846 posts
20 Oct 2020 9:33pm
dejavu said..
Apparently you need evidence that you've completed a high altitude training course before you can purchase one of these foils with mast. Also, a specially constructed impact jacket is included in the price of each foil and you have to sign a waiver that you won't hold Sling Shot liable for any injuries due to ejecting without your Sling Shot parachute (also included in the price).

It won't be long before we're all riding one of these!



foiling out on that mast

ZeroVix
ZeroVix
371 posts
371 posts
21 Oct 2020 12:07am
PatK
PatK
325 posts
325 posts
21 Oct 2020 9:26pm
PHANTASM KITE RANGE - Behind The Design - Slingshot Foil

Listen at 1:50 for other sports options
bluemoose
bluemoose
7 posts
7 posts
21 Oct 2020 11:20pm
"Bigger footprint, better foil."

That they spend so much time talking about the advantages of the Big Foot Connection... no irony there.

dejavu
dejavu
825 posts
825 posts
22 Oct 2020 6:09am
CoreAS
CoreAS
WA
923 posts
WA, 923 posts
22 Oct 2020 10:58am
dejavu said..


Greg has some serious skills, awesome to watch.
Samkyo
Samkyo
99 posts
99 posts
22 Oct 2020 3:17pm
Do you think they will do an adaptator to use phantasm Aluminiumfuselage with hover glide aluminium mast as it has been done with Moses?
Could be nice to avoid extra mast budget and have a crossover option on both system to complet my actual system instead of replacing It.
horey69
horey69
QLD
502 posts
QLD, 502 posts
23 Oct 2020 9:31pm
duzzi said..

airsail said..



duzzi said..




airsail said..





swoosh said..
Aren't these just Moses foils with a slingshot sticker on them?







No, they are a completely new range. Some type of tech mast construction to improve stiffness.






Slingshot does not "make" any foil ... they outsource, and the maker is most likely Moses as it was in the past.





These are Slingshot foils, Moses and Slingshot parted company re foils some time ago. Slingshot was the original designer of the popular 633 wing hence being available on the Phantasm range. The mast is double moulded 12k high modulus carbon, not just a wood or foam core. A mate has one on order, I'm very keen to have a go.




Moses manufactures foils. Slingshot does not manufactures anything, it outsources the production (like many do). In previous years the Slingshot wood and foam core wings were not manufactured by Moses.


Slingshot has designed the Phantasm range to differentiate it's self from Moses. Moses had its foils made by SAB.
The new Phantasm range will build to a complete range as the designs are ready.

thedoor
thedoor
2506 posts
2506 posts
23 Oct 2020 11:24pm
Samkyo said..
Do you think they will do an adaptator to use phantasm Aluminiumfuselage with hover glide aluminium mast as it has been done with Moses?
Could be nice to avoid extra mast budget and have a crossover option on both system to complet my actual system instead of replacing It.


dont think so
Paducah
Paducah
2846 posts
2846 posts
24 Oct 2020 12:34am
thedoor said..


Samkyo said..
Do you think they will do an adaptator to use phantasm Aluminiumfuselage with hover glide aluminium mast as it has been done with Moses?
Could be nice to avoid extra mast budget and have a crossover option on both system to complet my actual system instead of replacing It.




dont think so



If that's the case, there's going to be a lot of disappointed HG owners. More than a few have been waiting a year to lighten up their kit and have a bit of money invested in wings.
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