Adjustable Mast Extension

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DL
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8 Jun 2007 8:28pm
How about this:

seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=4682

Use a pulley system to pull the collar upwards. The cables that attach to the collar would have to be sunk in grooves to make them flush with the surface of the extension, otherwise the mast would not fit over the top.
The Grinch
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8 Jun 2007 8:40pm

Its amazing reading all these ideas.

Some of them I have also considered: Re the pulley system instead of a screw.
As was pointed out by DL you some how have to get the rope between the mast and the sleeve.
Thats why I keep coming back to the screw.

Another thing is that you want this baby to be easy to use and adjustable. I quickly rigged my sail tonight and realised the bottom eye at the foot of the sail is a good 4 inches away diagonally from the bottom of the mast extension. How do you close that gap and extend the base in one move?

The "seabreeze Grinch" would have to do this otherwise you're just making work for yourself.

There must be a way. We just have to stop thinking 'mast extension' in its current form.

My head's hurting now, i'm going to look at some porn!



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8 Jun 2007 10:42pm
quote:
Originally posted by DL

How about this:

seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=4682

Use a pulley system to pull the collar upwards. The cables that attach to the collar would have to be sunk in grooves to make them flush with the surface of the extension, otherwise the mast would not fit over the top.



it's still ropes & pulleys though??? can we utilise an 'on-the-spot' adjustment (damn, wish I had a scanner!!!)
Gestalt
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8 Jun 2007 11:00pm
what if????

ok, the bottom half is a sealed in ratchet jack which when rachetted (is that a word) pushes the top half upwards.
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8 Jun 2007 9:07pm
Ok,
This one is a real curvball!

I've drawn a pic and will try to upload it.
Have a look in my pics on my profile

You have a pulley system.
Two tubes, one sliding in the other.
A very powerfull spring.
You pull on the rope shortening the extension and tensioning the spring.


WHen you want to extend the extension it you release the rope!!!!! And viola the power of the spring gives you the downhaul.
Has to be a bloody powerful spring tho!

Is there any other way you can reverse the action of the pulley? I.e. to make the extension get longer as you pull the rope?


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8 Jun 2007 11:27pm
quote:
Originally posted by Gestalt

what if????

ok, the bottom half is a sealed in ratchet jack which when rachetted (is that a word) pushes the top half upwards.



Gestalt, beat you to it, something like this?.....been working on it for a whole 10mins!!!

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=4684
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8 Jun 2007 9:32pm
Sail hack that is bloody brilliant mate!

Jeeez, youve shamed us all.

You've even coloured it in!!!

I might take mine down
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8 Jun 2007 11:34pm
I'll get back to you Grinch, just on line with patent office!!!
Gestalt
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8 Jun 2007 11:47pm
lol, i prefer cad too!

i think it would be better if the ratchet jack just pushed against a plate on the top half to extend it rather than making the whole extension the jack.

then you don't need to cut any holes in the wall of the extensions.

nice work by the way..
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8 Jun 2007 11:52pm
Gestalt,

I'm sure the design could be improved....don't expect too much on a friday night after 6 or 10 coopers pales!!! I'm doing very well just sitting upright at the moment.
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9 Jun 2007 12:00am
i never expect much.

that way i am rarely dissapointed.



especially with the wind. lol
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8 Jun 2007 11:40pm
A better version of the pulley idea. I like the idea of pulleys instead of ratchets or screws, as pulleys are probably less likely to get jammed with sand.

It's animated!

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9 Jun 2007 12:05am
quote:
Originally posted by DL

A better version of the pulley idea. I like the idea of pulleys instead of ratchets or screws, as pulleys are probably less likely to get jammed with sand.




That's what I was trying to cook up, but brains too tired on a Fri night.
Small mod I'd make is to add a pulley to bottom of red bit and fix one end of the rope, that gives you a 2:1 advantage, if you loop it around again, does that give you 4X, my heads hurting!
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9 Jun 2007 10:19am
Yeah, between the top pulley and the base of the red bit, you could put as many pulleys as you want to get the desired reduction ratio.
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9 Jun 2007 7:25pm
OK if I get time, I'll have a go at a prototype.
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9 Jun 2007 11:24pm
That looks bloody heavy and it doesn't yet accommodate the downhaul line cleat. I think the earlier one with pulleys at the top was better - simpler and lighter. Theres no difficulty about getting the line from the pulleys at the top down between the mast and the sliding collar. You just need a cap at the top of the extension that fits the mast. The extension can be suitably narrower to allow room for the ropes.
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9 Jun 2007 9:54pm
you're right about the weight, and I see what you mean about the earlier design.
The tube needs to extended beyond the pulleys and a mast diam collar fitted. The traveling collar needs a shoulder on it to locate the bottom of the mast, then the inside tube can be any dia as long as it's strong enough.
That way it could be easily converted to different dia masts.
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11 Jun 2007 9:59am
quote:
Originally posted by DL

A better version of the pulley idea. I like the idea of pulleys instead of ratchets or screws, as pulleys are probably less likely to get jammed with sand.

It's animated!






THIS IS GENIUS!!!!!!!!!

It will revolutionise windsurfing as we know it.

First one with a working prototype... The race is on....

It's like Oppenheimer all over again!




NotWal
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12 Jun 2007 2:10pm
quote:
Originally posted by The Grinch

quote:
Originally posted by DL

A better version of the pulley idea. I like the idea of pulleys instead of ratchets or screws, as pulleys are probably less likely to get jammed with sand.

It's animated!






THIS IS GENIUS!!!!!!!!!

It will revolutionise windsurfing as we know it.

First one with a working prototype... The race is on....

It's like Oppenheimer all over again!







No its not Grinch. Get a grip. Its only functional advantage is that it may get your sail 15mm lower on your mast. And its not original. And the model proposed will be expensive and heavy. Yer livin in la la land.
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12 Jun 2007 12:37pm
Jeeze NotWal loosen up...

Of course I realise its not the cure for cancer!

Just trying to get some enthusiasm...

Sound to me like you haven't read the whole thread, or you just don't understand.
It has nothing to do with getting the sail lower on the mast!

The idea is to be able to adjust your downhaul without having to reset the size of your mast extension.
The sail will ALWAYS be at the lowest point on the mast.

Also when you rig a sail you dont have to remember what extension setting you used the last time.

To talk about "too heavy" and "to expensive" is just defeatist bollo#ks.
If that was the case we'd all still be using pinhead sails and "roped on" wobbly booms.

Everything can be improved.


DL
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12 Jun 2007 12:44pm
The other advantage being that you don't have to remember extension settings for each sail.

Just downhaul until the sail looks good.
NotWal
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12 Jun 2007 3:08pm
quote:
Originally posted by The Grinch

Jeeze NotWal loosen up...

Of course I realise its not the cure for cancer!

Just trying to get some enthusiasm...

Sound to me like you haven't read the whole thread, or you just don't understand.
It has nothing to do with getting the sail lower on the mast!

The idea is to be able to adjust your downhaul without having to reset the size of your mast extension.
The sail will ALWAYS be at the lowest point on the mast.

Also when you rig a sail you dont have to remember what extension setting you used the last time.

To talk about "too heavy" and "to expensive" is just defeatist bollo#ks.
If that was the case we'd all still be using pinhead sails and "roped on" wobbly booms.

Everything can be improved.






*He he* jeez you're touchy. Don't worry I get it. As I said before its not an original idea.

You have suggested 2 models. A light one and a heavy one. You are promoting the heavy one.

Impressive little animation by the way DL. Can you do one with pulleys at the top?

The Grinch
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12 Jun 2007 1:16pm

I Am too touchy arent I!
DL
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12 Jun 2007 2:30pm
Here ya go.

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12 Jun 2007 5:45pm
Closer...better...warmer!!!

DL,
Do you have a 'failsafe' in case the rope breaks whilst on the water?? (or if a line slips off one of the pulleys, how will you re-thread?)
Only asking as my 'boom clamp' line?!? and downhaul both wore through & broke on the same day a few months back...

Keep up the good work!
DL
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12 Jun 2007 4:05pm
If the pulley system broke while on the water, the extension would collapse to minimum extension. You'd still be able to sail because the sail would still be downhauled (just not as much as you had before it broke).

With regards to re-threading, the bottom block would need to be detachable. You could thread the pulleys when they are hanging out the top of the extension, then dangle the threaded set of pulleys back down the middle. Then reattach the bottom block to the base of the extension.
NotWal
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12 Jun 2007 8:19pm
Thats nearly it DL. I did a cad sketch and made a pdf. How can I upload it?
DL
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12 Jun 2007 6:50pm
dunno. you'd have to host it somewhere, then post us the link.
NotWal
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12 Jun 2007 11:19pm
After a lot of ginning about I finally managed to upload a sketch.

DL
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12 Jun 2007 11:30pm
Awesome! It looks so much more credible when drawn properly.
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