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Ellobuddha
Ellobuddha
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13 Jun 2009 4:03am
Cant rate these highly enough.

http://www.triple-x.com.au/virtuemart/accessories/1mm-l%10s-titanium-supa%11stretch-vest/

I surf in one of their 2mm suits in water down to 12 degrees. I got one of these in a short sleeve version and put it on under my 2mm on a really cold day. I lasted about 5 minutes before coming in and taking it off as I was too hot. (me anyway)

I think the short sleeve is a more practical option as I wear it in spring/summer with boards surfing/sailing as it keeps you out there a fair bit longer if the water isnt exactly "balmy"

Definitely worth the dough. I have just bought one of their new 3/2 combo suits with slick chest/back panels as well. Definitely hotter than any equiv 3/2 I have worn before.
Sailhack
Sailhack
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13 Jun 2009 10:12am
NotWal said...

There are a couple of errors here. They were officially debunked by Mythbusters so they are the purest truth.

1) Rum. It doesn't make you warm it just makes feel good. When you are cold your bod shuts down your peripheral circulation. This serves to keep your core temp up and your vital organs (like your brain) functioning. Alcahol dilates your blood vessels allowing nice warm blood to get to your arms and toes and fingers making you feel nice and toasty while pouring your body heat away. Your core temp drops faster with alcahol and you die sooner than otherwise.

2) Pissing in your wetsuit does much the same thing. You're pissing away your body heat.

One of the symptoms of hypothermia is stupidity. If the weather is cold and you feel unusually (unusual for you) stupid then go and warm up.


Killjoy...but true...

sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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13 Jun 2009 11:07am
Too many choices! We've heard about the titatium vests ,anyone used one of the hotvests?
http://www.hotsuits.com.au/
Id like somefeedback to help make a choice.A female pespective would be great as men generally have a hotter metabolism than us so we may still notice the cold using a product that a man finds great.
ducati
ducati
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474 posts
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13 Jun 2009 11:16am
sboardcrazy said...

Too many choices! We've heard about the titatium vests ,anyone used one of the hotvests?
http://www.hotsuits.com.au/
Id like somefeedback to help make a choice.A female pespective would be great as men generally have a hotter metabolism than us so we may still notice the cold using a product that a man finds great.

Wait till menopause hits since my missus got it she's now the bestest bed warmer and swims all thru the winter

sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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13 Jun 2009 12:53pm
Wish it would hurry up!
SundayRoast
SundayRoast
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13 Jun 2009 2:54pm
Instead of pissing away your body heat!! Take a few literes of hot water with you from the tap at home, in some form of insulated container, come in every half hour or so and tip some down the neck of your wetsuit. Loads more warmth and possibly more hygenic!!
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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14 Jun 2009 4:06pm
Take a few literes of hot water with you from the tap at home, in some form of insulated container, come in every half hour or so and tip some down the neck of your wetsuit. Loads more warmth and possibly more hygenic!!
Not a bad idea & cheap too! Plus better for the wetsuit....
NotWal
NotWal
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14 Jun 2009 7:41pm
Rub two boy scouts together.
mineral1
mineral1
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14 Jun 2009 5:49pm
sboardcrazy said...

Too many choices! We've heard about the titatium vests ,anyone used one of the hotvests?
http://www.hotsuits.com.au/
Id like somefeedback to help make a choice.A female pespective would be great as men generally have a hotter metabolism than us so we may still notice the cold using a product that a man finds great.


PM Windwarrior (Kev), see what he can do for you re a blast shield. This will suit you down to the ground. The girls/ladies from Speed Divas over here (now amalgamated with another team) all used blast shields.
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
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14 Jun 2009 5:52pm
mineral1 said...

sboardcrazy said...

Too many choices! We've heard about the titatium vests ,anyone used one of the hotvests?
http://www.hotsuits.com.au/
Id like somefeedback to help make a choice.A female pespective would be great as men generally have a hotter metabolism than us so we may still notice the cold using a product that a man finds great.


PM Windwarrior (Kev), see what he can do for you re a blast shield. This will suit you down to the ground. The girls/ladies from Speed Divas over here (now amalgamated with another team) all used blast shields.


What is a blast shield?

mineral1
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14 Jun 2009 6:04pm
Windxtasy said...

mineral1 said...

sboardcrazy said...

Too many choices! We've heard about the titatium vests ,anyone used one of the hotvests?
http://www.hotsuits.com.au/
Id like somefeedback to help make a choice.A female pespective would be great as men generally have a hotter metabolism than us so we may still notice the cold using a product that a man finds great.


PM Windwarrior (Kev), see what he can do for you re a blast shield. This will suit you down to the ground. The girls/ladies from Speed Divas over here (now amalgamated with another team) all used blast shields.


What is a blast shield?




www.windwarrior.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4&Itemid=8

Dont think they are going anymore, but there are one or two left in shops. (I think)
If you PM Kev (windwarrior) he may be able to let you know latest development.
kyteryder
kyteryder
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14 Jun 2009 10:44pm
To keep warm 15 years ago, we would wear woollen gloves underneath a pair of dishwashing gloves. - Not fashionable, but worked.

KR
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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15 Jun 2009 5:46pm
Ive been told by my partner that I or he ( as I was trying to get an early birthday present) cant afford a titanium vest etc etc ..so after all this I found out I can get my 20 year old wetsuit adjusted to fit me which is the way I will go until I get some more $.The old wetsuit is much warmer & better quality so it should help.I thought it was too dead to be resurrected but apparently not!
Its been interesting to find out about all the products out there so Ill keep the links for later when Im rich .Thanks.
Danger Mouse
Danger Mouse
WA
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17 Jun 2009 1:28pm
They go mental for these drysuits in the States, when I was living there for over 2 years all the kiting/windsurfing shops carry them. I never tried one (I suffered through winter with 3mm wetsuit gloves and socks and a 4:3 Steamer so things like hands and feet went numb a bit).

www.powerkiteshop.com/accessories/oceanrodeopyropro.htm

D
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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17 Jun 2009 4:41pm
I'd thought of that but knew they would be too expensive..Has anyone ever tried one?
evlPanda
evlPanda
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17 Jun 2009 5:32pm
Move to QLD.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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18 Jun 2009 5:18pm
Be the solution for sailboarding..but I dont like the heat!
Windxtasy
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20 Jun 2009 10:59am
Yesterday I went out for my first winter sail in years, encouraged by all these good ideas on keeping warm, and I found I didn't feel as cold as I expected so they must work.
The temp was 15 degrees and the wind 25 knots.
I wore my well fitting full length 3mm wetsuit to the beach and wore a fleecy top and a coat over it to keep warm while I was rigging. Rash vest under the wetsuit, reef shoes, NP flotation vest over the wettie (my body felt really cosy so I think that was important.) I sailed for an hour to an hour and a half - spent quite a bit of time in the water - and stopped when my legs began to cramp during waterstarting.
Had a hot coffee when I returned to the beach, put my fleecy top over the wettie and flotation vest, derigged quickly and threw everything in the back of the vehicle, put on the heater in the car, changed out of my wetsuit and rashie in the car and put on warm dry clothes. Kept sipping hot coffee everytime I felt a bit cold. I found I didn't feel any colder when I got home than I often do in the summer.

I agree with sboardcrazy - my arms were the coldest, but it wasn't a problem.
Guess I won't be needing a heated kidney belt or anything fancy.
A long sleeved titanium rashie might be lovely though.
easty
easty
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20 Jun 2009 6:37pm
Windxtasy said...

...changed out of my wetsuit and rashie in the car ...


Impressive effort!
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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5 Jul 2009 6:21pm
I stayed warm! Probably looked a dill but who cares! Few factors..
1 - it was 16 degrees & sunny with only 15kts versus 12 degrees with wind coming off the snow & 30kts
2 - Im sailing somewhere else where the wind is heaps more consistent & it is shallow enough so if you do stuff up its only knee to thigh deep so you can beachstart..Mind you a bit of a worry as you hit the bottom occasionally but it is soft.
I wore my new ****ty steamer with a borrowed 2 sizes too big metallite shirt under it + my short summer wetsuit over that + buoyancy vest + helmet + gloves & booties..Bit restrictive but wow I was warm! I wore the undershirt driving down & got into the steamer 10 mins early.Much more fun.. Ive now got my old decent steamer altered so that will help too. Bring on the wind!!
ka43
ka43
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5 Jul 2009 7:25pm
sboardcrazy, Im guessing Canton????????
lee1972
lee1972
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5 Jul 2009 8:10pm
Warm up before you go in, sail for 30-40 mins and then cup in for a cup of tea. I brought over my 5,3 wet suit from the uk ( wore it all summer once) so its only my hands and feet that get cold. I went out on saturday and i thought my feet were going to freeze so i put my booties on, now im not a great fan of boots but this was called for, just open up your footstraps a little to accmomodate the extra room and away you go. Hats of course are a great idea, most of your body heat is lost from there. Another tip that i got from a proffesional diver was to pour warm water in your suit, that combined with your body heat while your sailing keeps you warm.
pierrec45
pierrec45
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5 Jul 2009 10:50pm
Coming from Australia, I now sail in very, very cold waters here in upper north america. I strongly believe the mental toughness aspect is very important and can be trained.

I "trained" to come here by getting out with no wets in the winter in Sydney. Without liking it, it's surprising how you get used to it. It's a bit extreme though.

By toughing it out, here now I end up sailing here no wet down to about 10-12C.

Conversely, here guys that wear a thin wets in july-august, end up with thick wets in early September, drys by mid-Sept., and they have very short seasons. It's a bad habit, and they don't even seem to enjoy it.

My season is thus much, much longer than theirs, by about 2 months.

Other very important tricks are: warm up 30 minutes before you get in the water. Heater in the car if must. Be very active on the board. Just sailing long tacks is a killer, at least gybe often, move about. Freestyle is absolute best for cold weather.

I find the worst by far are the fingers and the toes. Forget about fashion and colour coordination - wear boots and gloves.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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6 Jul 2009 12:36pm
sboardcrazy, Im guessing Canton????????
No Belmont caravan park in front of Squids Ink..I'm generally the only sailboarder .The rest are kiters because its so shallow.I was starting to think westerlies weren't worth the effort but here they are actually pretty consistent!I'm a bit worried how Ill go in if I hit at speed but its more a problem in a NW as you are pushed onshore more.WNW or W isnt as much of a problem.Im getting soft though..no need to waterstart! Mind you its great for getting used to the new board & new sail, harness line position etc..
essedon
essedon
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9 Jul 2009 10:05pm
Wear an extra oversized wetsuit jacket over top off your normal wetsuit, keeps core warmer. Buy hand warmer packs from bushwalking shop, about 6, these mix two chemicals together to create heat . They are small and reusable and last for 45 minutes. To warm cold fingers just put them down your neck on inside of wetsuit. Dont come into shore and stand around toolong as you will cool down when you stop moving.

Put chillie powder in your coffee ! mmmm...
Krisiz1
Krisiz1
WA
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11 Jul 2009 3:20pm
Not sure if anyone has already suggested this but I just discovered if you rub Deep Heat or Dencorub on your feet it sure helps keep them toastie! It might work on the rest of the body, taking particular care of course to avoid the area between the waist and the hips!

Bender suggested putting your wetsuit in a nappy bucket full of hot water on the way to sailing. Especially if its been overnight in your trailer from the day before!
WindWarrior
WindWarrior
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12 Jul 2009 10:31pm
You're a brave brave man applying deep heat all over yourself before pulling on a wetsuit... you definitely NOT go commando with an all over dinko rub/deep heat.

There's a few tips on the following thread regarding keeping warm or getting your wetsuit warm/dry for use the nexy day.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=52214
MikeyS
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12 Jul 2009 10:59pm
I had a Twine shower set-up on my previous vehicle. With the vehicle on a fast idle, the vehicle's coolant runs through a heat exchanger and a pump pumps fresh water from a source through to a hand-held shower. Nothing better than a hot shower up the bush, or even a bath if ther'e a river close by.
I had a 50 litre bladder in the car, and I remember thawing out after a particularly cold sail at Rye once by sticking the showerhead down the back of the wettie with the engine idling until feeling returned about 49 litres later.
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
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12 Jul 2009 9:05pm
MikeyS said...

I had a Twine shower set-up on my previous vehicle. With the vehicle on a fast idle, the vehicle's coolant runs through a heat exchanger and a pump pumps fresh water from a source through to a hand-held shower. Nothing better than a hot shower up the bush, or even a bath if ther'e a river close by.
I had a 50 litre bladder in the car, and I remember thawing out after a particularly cold sail at Rye once by sticking the showerhead down the back of the wettie with the engine idling until feeling returned about 49 litres later.


What a fantastic idea!
Gorgo
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12 Jul 2009 11:34pm
Get yourself a 5 litre water container (or bigger if you want). Fill it with hot water and wrap it in a towel. The water will stay warm for 8 hours. The more water you have the longer it stays warm.

You can also wrap you wetsuit around the hot water and warm your suit.

When you finish wash down with hot water then dry off with a warm towel.

Be careful if you use neat hot water and wash down less than an hour or two later. It will be uncomfortably hot.

You can pour the hot water down your wettie but I find it's best to strip off the wettie then give yourself a proper allover sploosh. You can dry off with your nice warm towel before the wind chill cools you down.
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