Learning to waterstart

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mineral1
mineral1
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20 Sep 2006 7:45pm
Thecat, now isn’t that just something A, told you it would be just like you describe. Mate you not going to look back now. And one of the positive things about the new lady in your life, is after a day of just mucking about like you just did, you sleep just as well as she does.

Isn’t this sport just **** hot or what!!
So reckon you have had a pretty good month all round. New lady in your life and a bunch of fulla’s on forum grinning as much as you with you latest achievement, both on and off the water.
Mineral
drjukka
drjukka
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20 Sep 2006 10:29pm
Hey Cat,

Congrats on the birth of your daughter to you and your wife/partner.

Mine is now 18 months and I wish you the same joy I have had for for the last months. OH - and if you think it is tough now just wait until she starts to walk or run, or when you find her 6 feet off the ground on a ladder!!! - the joy has just begun!!! .

Well done on the first steps to waterstarting -.

- Dr J
thecat
thecat
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22 Sep 2006 6:24pm
Thanks all for the congratulations, my good lady was especially impressed that the hard core windsurf fraternity had wished us all well so that gets me more points for some sail time nice one guys !

Got out this afternoon for a few hours in 25k's, there was some angry looking white horses out there and some big swells so I did begin to wonder if I was slightly over ambitious

Anyway it turned out a worthwhile exercise, spent half of it treading water trying to pull the rig around everytime I got dumped but managed another half dozen successful starts .

Aint 25k's just lovely for pulling you out the water, almost effortless, good practice for sheeting out before I got thrown .

Tried the rear leg thing Nebs but couldn't quite manage to control the rig (but will persevere), did manage however to control using both feet on whilst sort of sailing on my back, another step fwd .

Congrats to you aswell Easty, Millie doesn't seem that popular but everybody seems to like. Like the hebrew meaning, just need to ensure I have the energy on my days off so I don't fall asleep at the boom
Murph
Murph
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1 Oct 2006 12:01pm
Lads,

I read this thread last week and decided I better give waterstarts a go. I sort of had the idea of beach starts so figured this was the next progression.

Had a sail yesterday at Melville in perfect conditions (for me anyway). I was progressively getting deeper with my beach starts but just couldn't crack it in the deep water.

My problem wasn't with raising the sail as the tips of using the back of the board and working down the mast when the sail was in clew first and deep worked a treat. My problem was holding the correct position once I had my back foot on the board.

Lucky for me, a kind fellow sailer (and to whoever you were thankyou!) grabbed my attention when I was close to shore and gave me a few pointers. Which brings me to the point of this post:

When I beach start I put the heal of my back foot on the board first, drag it under my body and step up with my front foot. This works well for me.

However my friendly instructor showed me to water start using my front foot on the board near the mast first, powering up a little and then placing my rear foot on as well (whilst still in the water). I used this technique and immediately noticed the difference. I had much better direction control and basically dragged through the water adjusting the sail until I was ready to stand up. Once up I overpowered a few times and fell off but also managed to sheet out a couple of times and sail off.

I managed 3 or 4 true water starts using this technique.

My question is, do I alter my technique on beach starts to 'front foot on first' like a water start or is it acceptible to use the rear foot? As I'm only learning I'd rather get out of any bad habits now rather than later.

As for Eureka moments - I was out about 4hours and only uphauled about 3 times. Believe me, breakthroughs don't come much better!

Cheers,
Murph
nebbian
nebbian
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1 Oct 2006 1:02pm
Well done Murph!!!

I count waterstarts as one of the biggest confidence boosts you can get when windsurfing, and you've cracked it now. Congrats!

All the technique gurus say to put the back foot on first, pull the board under your bum, then put the front foot on. However, if putting the front foot on first makes it easier for you then do it that way for a while. Once you're used to getting up onto the board and staying upright, then try to learn the other way. You may find that front foot first works in the wind you were in, but once the wind changes strength you may struggle unless you do the rear foot first technique.

One thing I've learnt is that the more ways of skinning the cat you can do, the easier everything becomes
decrepit
decrepit
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1 Oct 2006 5:23pm
What size board are you on Murph???
Front foot first is much better on old long boards, with back foot on first it's hard to stop them going upwind.
As Nebian says the more ways you can do things, the easier it all becomes.
On a shortboard I beachstart & water start back footfirst, but if it's really howling I'll use both feet.
Using both feet gives much more control, but needs more wind to get you up. (You don't have the bonus of floatation and kicking from leg in the water).
Murph
Murph
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3 Oct 2006 10:35am
Decrepit,

I'm on 120litre freeride and yes, I was twisting upwind when trying to start with my rear foot on first.

Cheers,
Murph
Combs
Combs
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152 posts
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3 Oct 2006 1:10pm
Back foot on first is what is taught. A guy I know down at lucky bay has been windsurfing for years and comes from a wave sailing background. He uses front foot on first and it is something to do with being able to launch on the run during competition.

One of the biggest things I found with beach starting was getting the mast forwards a little so you don't head up immediately. It is all one fluid motion after a while, so you don't notice you are doing it.
decrepit
decrepit
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3 Oct 2006 7:34pm
quote:
Originally posted by Murph

Decrepit,

I'm on 120litre freeride and yes, I was twisting upwind when trying to start with my rear foot on first.

Cheers,
Murph



Well that's certainly not wally teritory, you should be ok with backfoot on that.
But don't worry about it too much, as long as it works for you, that's the "right" way. I know a person who uses the same foot first on both tacks, so one way it's front foot the other way it's back foot.

I learned from a book and that said to put back foot in rear strap, I still do this most of the time, find it helps board control, But I don't know anybody else that does it, and every body I've taught doesn't get on with it either.
Give it a try, it helps you to pull the board towards you and stop it heading upwind. It would be nice to know that I'm not the only one doing it!
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
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4 Oct 2006 9:05am
Decrep, I will 90% of the time waterstart with my backfoot in the strap, must have read the same book as you.
actually, if its windy enough I start with both feet in their respective straps so I can just power up and go. (works for me most of the time)
decrepit
decrepit
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4 Oct 2006 2:37pm
Grumps, love you forever!!!! Now I'm not alone anymore!!! What a great feeling!
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