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Sputnik11
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10 Mar 2013 7:49pm
Looking to get some lighter wind gear. Currently doing most of my sailing in 15 to 20kts on JP Allride 106 with NP Firefly 5.5.

I am looking at something in the 6.5 sail range and boards something like the Starboard iSonic 122ltr, or the JP Slalom 130.

Would be very interested in thoughts on boards in particular. I want something I can get planing in the more marginal conditions. I weight 75kgs.

Cheers.
baywavebill
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10 Mar 2013 8:06pm
Bought a Starboard Futura 111litre for that very reason. Very similiar to the Isonic but a little more forgiving. Best decision! I weigh 65kgs and use a 6.5 sail. 14 knts and I'm away. Handles winds up to about 19 knts as long as the waves don' get over about 1 '. Once that happens the wind gets underneath and control is harder. Super fast in flat conditions. I use it on Port Phillip Bay.
joe windsurf
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10 Mar 2013 8:03pm
i enjoy it when someone says light wind is 15 to 20 knots
curious to know what the high winds are for you
in those winds i would guess a 6.5 or 7-oh would be great on a 115 to 120 liter board
not knowing your skills, width preferences, location, etc
lotsa luck !!!

for me light winds are 10 to 15 knots and can be a lot of fun
Sputnik11
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10 Mar 2013 11:16pm
light in my mind is 8 - 14kts

i can usually have my 106 allride planing with my 5.5 in anything 14kts or better, i am looking for some gear to get me going in light (my definition) winds

i agree 15 to 20kts isn't light
hardie
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10 Mar 2013 8:27pm
Sputnik11 said...
light in my mind is 8 - 14kts

i can usually have my 106 allride planing with my 5.5 in anything 14kts or better, i am looking for some gear to get me going in light (my definition) winds

i agree 15 to 20kts isn't light



If you want to plane in 8 to 14 kts at 75kg's I'd get a board about 75cm or wider, and a 7.5m or bigger sail. and a decent fin to go
Mark _australia
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10 Mar 2013 9:55pm
at 15kn blokes your weight are planing a 80L waveboard (just)
Technique.

A 130L / 7.5 combo will be as big as you will ever need unless you want to to do crazy 8-10kn planing on formula - and that is SUP or surf territory IMHO


Greenroom
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10 Mar 2013 10:25pm
I'm about 72kgs and in 15knots I plane with my 82L quad and 5.7 rock
Sputnik11
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11 Mar 2013 10:58am
Mark _australia said...
at 15kn blokes your weight are planing a 80L waveboard (just)
Technique.

A 130L / 7.5 combo will be as big as you will ever need unless you want to to do crazy 8-10kn planing on formula - and that is SUP or surf territory IMHO





My technique is fine, I am planing on an 86ltr with a 5.5 in 15 kts, no trouble. Back to me original question - I was thinking a 122L iSonic and 6.5 twin cam would be the right set up for the 10 - 14 kts and let me sail an additional 15 to 20 days over summer. Given what you're saying about the 80L waveboard I think I am in the right neighbourhood. Cheers.
Sputnik11
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11 Mar 2013 11:04am
actually looking at 2 boards as a comparison:

2012 JP Slalom (240cm, 130 ltrs)
2008 Starboard iSonic (232cm, 122ltrs)

any thoughts?
Mark _australia
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11 Mar 2013 8:43am
Not that I have ridden either but the JP is pretty dedicated slalom, but the iSonic would be a bit more forgiving so I'd pick the iSonic.
I always find race stuff feels crap after being on wave or forgiving freeride stuff so I think you need a big board that is fast but easy riding - Tabou Rocket.
If you can afford a 2012 board do try a Rocket
I also think that 122L is not much of a step up from your 106 but 6.5 might not hold down a 130L board well. 122L and 6.5, or 130L and 7m - 7.5m hard call.

Windxtasy
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11 Mar 2013 1:33pm
We really need more information to correctly advise you.
What level of sailor are you? Are you ready for a slalom board or still at the free ride level?
Flat water sailing or ocean?
Be realistic about the wind range you are looking at. There is a big difference between 8 knots and 12. 12 knots is 50% more than 8 knots, and 14 is 75% more.
8 knots you are needing formula gear and really big sails to be planing.
12 -14 knots most guys on flat water will be out on 120L -130L boards with 7.5 - 8.5 m sails and planing.

Of course there is planing, and there is planing.
Wave sailors are happy to be just planing. Flat water sailors are rarely happy with just planing, they want fast.
sboardcrazy
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11 Mar 2013 5:11pm
Is your wind strength estimated or using a windmeter?
Sputnik11
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11 Mar 2013 5:13pm
Windxtasy said...
We really need more information to correctly advise you.
What level of sailor are you? Are you ready for a slalom board or still at the free ride level?
Flat water sailing or ocean?
Be realistic about the wind range you are looking at. There is a big difference between 8 knots and 12. 12 knots is 50% more than 8 knots, and 14 is 75% more.
8 knots you are needing formula gear and really big sails to be planing.
12 -14 knots most guys on flat water will be out on 120L -130L boards with 7.5 - 8.5 m sails and planing.

Of course there is planing, and there is planing.
Wave sailors are happy to be just planing. Flat water sailors are rarely happy with just planing, they want fast.


Have been sailing for close to 30 years, I sail almost entirely in the ocean. Realistically I am looking in the 12-14kts range, with lulls sometimes a bit less than that. Don't want to get onto formula gear. I'd prefer not to just plane, but sometimes given the conditions, planing is good enough. I've reviewed the number of days where it close but not close enough, ergo, the bigger volume and bigger sail are the solution to get me 20 more days of sailing over summer, which for me is well worth it. I was considering getting a kite surfer, but think this is the b etter option.
Sputnik11
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11 Mar 2013 5:28pm
sboardcrazy said...
Is your wind strength estimated or using a windmeter?


estimated - but using the weather readings here
Yuppy
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11 Mar 2013 9:56pm
I am same weight and experience as you.

I had a go on the 111 futura starboard. It is awesome. Really fun to jump off small chop when cranking full speed. easy to jibe.

At 20knots and swell over 1m it became hard to control. Nevertheless sounds perfect for you. I used my old ezzy wave 5.7m in 18 knots and it was simply perfect.
Sputnik11
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11 Mar 2013 10:59pm
Yuppy said...
I am same weight and experience as you.

I had a go on the 111 futura starboard. It is awesome. Really fun to jump off small chop when cranking full speed. easy to jibe.

At 20knots and swell over 1m it became hard to control. Nevertheless sounds perfect for you. I used my old ezzy wave 5.7m in 18 knots and it was simply perfect.


Hey Yuppy - what about 12 kts? I am fine in anything over 14kts, I want light wind gear. In 20kts I am on my Allride or Freestyle Wave.
Windxtasy
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12 Mar 2013 11:44am
Sputnik11 said...
Yuppy said...
I am same weight and experience as you.

I had a go on the 111 futura starboard. It is awesome. Really fun to jump off small chop when cranking full speed. easy to jibe.

At 20knots and swell over 1m it became hard to control. Nevertheless sounds perfect for you. I used my old ezzy wave 5.7m in 18 knots and it was simply perfect.


Hey Yuppy - what about 12 kts? I am fine in anything over 14kts, I want light wind gear. In 20kts I am on my Allride or Freestyle Wave.


A Futura would be a perfect light wind ocean freeride board. Better in chop and swell than the iSonic yet early planing and fast. At your weight, for 12 knots of wind you would probably want the 133L and a 7.5- 8.5 sail.
http://www.star-board.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15332
sboardcrazy
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12 Mar 2013 4:22pm
I'm probably not as good a sailor as you. I have a Tabou Rocket 125 and with a 7.2m sail I can get planing in about 10kts ( reaching).I weigh c 66kgs ( with camelback full..)
The profile pic is the 125 with 6.6m sail in a gusty 12 - 18kts ( obviously prob 16-18kts for photo).
paddymac
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12 Mar 2013 9:56pm
Something freeride/freerace in the 75cm wide range with a twin cam 7ish sail based on what you've described. The iSonic 122 is a great board but favours a race sail with solid mast foot pressure, may be a little flighty otherwise.
Sputnik11
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14 Mar 2013 9:02pm
Thanks all - have made a board decision. The discussion certainly helped get me to the choice.
John340
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14 Mar 2013 8:20pm
What did you decide? We are all hanging on tender hooks.
bigbear
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14 Mar 2013 8:54pm
Whatever board you choose JP or IS a6.5 would be a bit small for it. You would find a 7.5 more more compatable to a board that size.
Sputnik11
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14 Mar 2013 10:24pm
John632 said...
What did you decide? We are all hanging on tender hooks.


actually went for starboard, but not iSonic, something with width and volume, but more forgiving . . .futura

p.s. - believe it or not, its tenterhooks, generally hooks aren't very tender
Windxtasy
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14 Mar 2013 7:41pm
Sputnik11 said...
John632 said...
What did you decide? We are all hanging on tender hooks.


actually went for starboard, but not iSonic, something with width and volume, but more forgiving . . .futura

p.s. - believe it or not, its tenterhooks, generally hooks aren't very tender


and what size?
Sputnik11
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14 Mar 2013 10:51pm
Windxtasy said...
Sputnik11 said...
John632 said...
What did you decide? We are all hanging on tender hooks.


actually went for starboard, but not iSonic, something with width and volume, but more forgiving . . .futura

p.s. - believe it or not, its tenterhooks, generally hooks aren't very tender


and what size?


board - 122
sail - to be decided (i am still leaning towards 6.5, but many, many have said its too small)
seanhogan
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14 Mar 2013 10:16pm
had a futura, worked really well with the 7.8 rs slalom, wouldn't be very good under 7.0
dave.h
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14 Mar 2013 8:48pm
I have a 122 futura and it is great with a 7.8 and 7.0, but have ridden it with a 6.5 and 6.0 and both smaller sails are fine. powered 6m weather is pushing the limits though it is not to bad.
paddymac
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14 Mar 2013 8:56pm
Great choice Sputnik11. I had a 2008 Futura 122, it was a great board. I was ~80kgs and an early intermediate at that stage. I reckon my 7.5 Overdrive was perfect on it. For really light stuff I had an 8.5 which got me going a knot or two earlier. On gusty day a 6.5 was also good. I used a 40 and a 44 fin depending on wind strength.

Have fun!
Sailhack
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15 Mar 2013 9:29am
At 110kegs, my 130l with 7.2m sail will get me going in about 10kts - from 15kts, my weapon of choice is a 116 with a 6.6 sail (used to be a 109 that performed similar). The 122 iSonic with a 6.5 should be more than enough for a lightweight like yourself. Also look at sails with a large rigging range (ie; a 7.0m sail that can be downhauled to a 6.5 equiv).
Sputnik11
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15 Mar 2013 11:08am
Sailhack said...
At 110kegs, my 130l with 7.2m sail will get me going in about 10kts - from 15kts, my weapon of choice is a 116 with a 6.6 sail (used to be a 109 that performed similar). The 122 iSonic with a 6.5 should be more than enough for a lightweight like yourself. Also look at sails with a large rigging range (ie; a 7.0m sail that can be downhauled to a 6.5 equiv).


Sailhack - I tend to agree with you. I really think 122ltrs with a good 6.5 will do the trick. I keep getting advice to go 7.5 to 8.5. You're 35kg heavier than me and can get planing in the sort of wind conditions I am targeting with a 7.2. Surely 6.5 will be enough?
joe windsurf
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15 Mar 2013 8:23am
Sailhack:

110 kegs = 110 kilograms ??
if so , how can you "get going" in 10 knots on 130 liter and 7.2 sail ??
at 100 kilos, 7.2 for me is used in 30-50 kph winds or about 20 knots !!!
10 knots is 94 cm wide FreeFormula with 10-oh !!
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