I now have three koncepts... 5.0 5.8 and 6.6 which i find suite me down to the ground with enough spacing between. still have a couple older (200-2003) wave sails just in case as well. Dad still keeps his 7.0m GTX which he loves but i barely use as i tune the 6.6 Koncept to have more power anyway. Only when i'm giving his gear a spin really. its much easier when all the sails are the same though. i used to have a 5.0 wave sail, 5.8 wave sail, 6.0 cammed sail, 6.5 cammed sail and 7.0 cammed sail and 7.8 non cammed sail but they were all different. it was hard to judge. Thought it was important to have cams when the sizes increased as the non cammed ones just didnt feel right to me in the bigger sizes over say 6.0m. At different stages i even had 4.7 and 5.3 wave sails which i never even got wet and sold shortly after buying them with a sail/board package.

I cycle my gear round heaps though even though i don't get out on the water as much as i would like (were an hours drive away and i only have my L plates just now lol), keeps me interested. I cant even get to my gear at the moment though as its packed at the very back of the garage behind all our junk from inside the house (were moving/selling house house at the moment). I'm now at the stage where i have the three sails and one board idea but i'm sure it wont be long until i get back to ten boards and ten sails again..... goes in cycles really... quite funny.

Cheers
Bubs

That would be great but most companies like to keep production costs down .

Mark _australia said...

NotWal said...

That's dumb Mark.
They have to be in geometric series (not incremental) so they can have a rational range from which you can pick your particular preferred sub-range.

If you size .............

Huh ??? how is what I said dumb if you then agreed with me. I said smaller gaps in smaller sails .... all you did was call it "geometric series"

Sorry Mark, not you. I meant mkseven. He's Mark too. (I shoulda quoted)

mkseven said...



So Ben or any other bored sailmakers out there bring back 0.5

Is there anyone that actually disagrees with this (hide your brand loyalty for just a moment)?

mkseven i think your a winger, when i started sailing we had 2 sails a light wind 6/0 and a storm sail 4.5 soooooo stop complaining, and we had a choice of about 4 boards ,windrush, tencate, whaler,windserfer(non retyractable dagger board) so if you couldnt buy it you had to make it

the standard board had from no straps to about 8 ,we didnt complain we just added more strapps that didn't absorb water,and most boards had rocker that weighed from 18 to 22 kgs eg windrush=22kgs and was 180lts to 220 ,the board in the pic is about 250lts (KEEF DESIGN)and weighed 16kgs all up
so if there is any positive comments about todays sailing lets hear them ,not from wingers about the difference of the sail incroments 4.1&4.2 ,so is it the cut of the sail or is it the sail area? i have an old gaastra 5/7 and its done and dusted when im still hanging on to my pryde 7/3?

Geez what is it with you mexican's- try to bring a constructive discussion and get accused of being a wanker or winger (whatever the f*ck that is). It would be terrific if sails where spaced 0.2/3 apart as ezzy etc have done, some designers should be applauded for what they bring to the sport (how the hell is that wHinging?) irregardless of whether you like their gear or not. At the end of the day we live with what we've got- if you're not happy with what is offered you make your own as you have done but some don't have the means. I've had as much fun on some of the boards you listed above in the past as I do today, but I fail to see your point- are you implying that because that was all that was available at the time it is the best way?

Mark _australia said...

which way up does it go?

yer and the rails go out and not in

choco said...

I used to have more fun when i only had one board 2 sails but some how i have collected CA sP40-CA sp50-Manta 67-Manta 59-Falcon 131 and Blades 5.1-5.6-6.2-6.8-7.5.


Stats are from 2008 i have since changed most of my boards/sails

b.llsh.t i dont believe you had more fun on that old crap your telling porkies chocko, i cant see the ca,s chocko, or the rs6/7 thanks its been my main sail this season you know if you had the ca55 you wouldnt need the falcon91

keef said...

choco said...

I used to have more fun when i only had one board 2 sails but some how i have collected CA sP40-CA sp50-Manta 67-Manta 59-Falcon 131 and Blades 5.1-5.6-6.2-6.8-7.5.


Stats are from 2008 i have since changed most of my boards/sails

b.llsh.t i dont believe you had more fun on that old crap your telling porkies chocko, i cant see the ca,s chocko, or the rs6/7 thanks its been my main sail this season you know if you had the ca55 you wouldnt need the falcon91

keef just above the graph i do state that i have changed my gear/2009 graphs have the CA boards,the Manta 59 replaced my F91,well it was fun back then

I remember seeing ads in the mags years ago about a 2 in 1 sail were you could unzip the bottom part of the sail and make it smaller it actually was a good idea don't know why it didn't take off.

[b]choco said.
I remember seeing ads in the mags years ago about a 2 in 1 sail were you could unzip the bottom part of the sail and make it smaller it actually was a good idea don't know why it didn't take off

.yer remember those sails were cut like triangles and made from soft dacron(they needed something),you could roll the sail around the mast, that could have been the start of the change (bigger foots) but it wouldnt work today cos of the stiff monofilm
i remember i had a fred hayward pryde speed 5.9 460 mast it had a huge foot but it still had the string running down the leech so you could tighten it too make the sail like a bag, i did rig that sail a couple of years ago on a carbon mast with heeps of downhaul and i was surprised how much the sail was laying off and how tight it was without a wrinkle

mkseven said...

choco said...
I remember seeing ads in the mags years ago about a 2 in 1 sail were you could unzip the bottom part of the sail and make it smaller it actually was a good idea don't know why it didn't take off.

Yep, there was also a 3 in one sail. They didn't actually look too bad in the pics either. I think the fault probably lied with you'd need a couple of masts as they unzipped along the foot. Good idea though even if they kept it to 2 sails 1 mast per sail.

Choco you've found your calling- promote your donut charts and run a mobile donut business, you can revolutionise work meetings everywhere .

or you could just replace both and get the 7, and get double the time on the 7 and go faster

sailquik said...

Actually. the amount of use I get from a sail has little to do with my decision to have one. I actually have TWO 4.4m Koncepts and I have not even used that size so far this year. I also have TWO 370 skinny masts for them. There is no way I would not have this setup. I get to use the 4.4m about 2 or 3 times in a good year

is that your 4.4 koncept on buy&sell sailquik

keef said...

is that your 4.4 koncept on buy&sell sailquik

Ahhh, yes. I should say I actually have THREE of them. But one if for sale...