sailed windang today, didnt rush home to get on seabreeze though as it was crud. You sail qwerty?

....what CJW said in earlier post, wave sailing should be from sailor viewpoint, like surfing, not from beach (we're not ladies sunning ourselves, we are on the water)....

To me windsurfing is a form of sailing and surfing.

So applying 'boat' and surfing rules and terminology seem relevant.

But I would have thought that if you're catching a 'left' with wind blowing over your left side (port), this would be port tack left wavesailing (a mix of sailing wind direction tack rules and surfing wave viewpoint)

Is this logic wrong? I admit to not being a wavesailor, but the other methods seems counter logical against my sailing and surfing experience (can't wait to mix them), but hopefully we'll have a logical terminology then! Please give me a different example to explain if i'm wrong but (don't understand other one).

555 said...
Gerroa in a NE is port tack. Windang in a southerly is Starboard tack.
This, I can agree with. You are describing the location, not the sailing.

Which is how it is interpreted all around the world. Case closed.

I prefer eyeMhardcore's approach of telling the wind which way to blow anyway. Would get plenty of practice on both tacks.

There is only one definition of a port tack. Unlike what's purported in the earlier post, there is no "unless a windsurfer", "unless he's waveriding", or "in case someone is looking from the beach" or "so many feet from shore".

There is only one definition for all of sailboats of any size, whether open ocean or in your pool or racing. I took the cert, as I own a sailboat, and it was quite clear.

BTW, we're told the ROW rule when meeting boats can be used in a court of law. I have no intention of testing this statement, and as a former racer I know my rule anyways.

Think about it: it's like the idiots that always try to go upwind from you when you meet them, regardless of their tack. Just love to hold the upwind against them and get up their arses.

i'm with qwerty. how much more difficult can this be made?

so are we about to be inundated with race sails and course boards in the break and dudes yelling out "starboard"?

Bloody hell!

So what tack is it if it is dead offshore/onshore?

I have to side with the "whatever tack you're on when riding the wave" theory. This is for windsurfers.

The "whatever tack you are when sailing out" is for sailboarders.

(sorry, thought I'd add some fuel to the fire, couldn't resist [}:)])

Crash Landing said...

Qwerty, as you say port tack is port tack on the way out - so port tack jumping. It's even the case north of the equator..

As for rights of way, when does the heading out/coming in wavesailing right of way stop and starboard/port start? Or doesn't it? If I'm sailing 3 km's off shore and still heading "out" do i still get right of way? Or does it stop as soon as you get through the break?

Not trying to cause another debate but I've been close to being hit by people in heats/free sailing in the past...

If you're 3kms out, then you can have that one all to yourself. Don't think you'll get anyone bothering you out there.
But yeah, you can assume that the wave rules stop when the waves stop

qwerty said...

No one is disputing that, but it still doesn't apply in wavesailing. If I'm blatantly dropping in on someone, causing them danger by not letting them through the break, or generally being a goose in the wrong spot, I can't use the "but I was sailing on Port/Starboard tack" defence. That holds about as much water as Rock/Paper/Scissors would. Surfing rules, and general common sense are the only guideline.

Everyone here agrees which is port and which is starboard, but the main point is that in wave sailing, there is no differentiation between whether you are going out or coming in.

Now I see why were are having a flat water sailor verses wave sailor argument. Most of the above is bad communication. Having surfed and sailed enough to know the rules of each, now the two lines of rules are starting to make sense when combined.

I think what we get from the above is:

- Normal sailing port/starboard designation applies when sailing at anytime (port gives way to starboard, etc, much more rules)
- Normal who ever is on their way out to the back rules apply to surfing anytime (person on wave gives way to someone paddling out)

-But, when combined (wavesailing) the mix means surfing paddling out rule over-rides the sailing port rule, so someone sailing out on port to the break has rights over someone potentially sailing the wave in on starboard.

And for some reason, the wavesailing break is just defined as what tack you sail out on.

Have I got it now? Are we all sorted?
Can't wait to get to the wavesailing stage, keen to mix the two, this is why I needed to understand these rules and tack designations