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Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
15 Dec 2008 2:13am
Put the kids up for adoption

Put the parents up against a wall


Problem solved!

greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
15 Dec 2008 1:28am
i saw nothing wrong with marvins pictures and can say that as a father and grandfather that nothing makes you take less risks than being in charge of a little one and introducing them to the wonders of the ocean and the wind that drives us all.

his words may have displayed a little to much bravado and a buoyancy vest may have helped.
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
15 Dec 2008 4:15am
Yes, this guy a case for eugenics.

> "but isn't it the sole parent/s responsibility to decide what is best for their child; not the general public"

NO it is not - up to a point only. Many parents don't have that capacity, either intellectual or they put their own little image first and foremost. Gonads work, not the brain.

Parents going to the pub with the kids in the car are an example of the former, and this idiot is a perfect example of the latter. I mean, look at his face in the picture - perfect "look at me I'm cool" idiot.

And don't want to hear that there is worse elsewhere - let's discuss other such cases separately. You guys can't use the "there is worse elsewhere" to justify this.
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
VIC, 1509 posts
15 Dec 2008 10:31am
I think the issue has a lot to do with perceived risk, rather than actual risk. And I seem to remember the same discussion came out when Steve Irwin took his baby into the croc enclosure.
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
15 Dec 2008 12:15pm
This is quite a difficult subject and as MikeyS pointed out the perceived versus actual risk is the core problem.

I can't wait to teach my 2y.o & 5 y.o. twins (birthday today actually) to sailboard, but will only do it when they are competent at swimming at least the length of a 50m pool and are comfortable with the process and wearing a PFD. I have had them standing on the board without the rig many times to get them used to balancing but don't feel introducing a rig at this stage is prudent. Nor would I feel it safe to let them ride shotgun - I shudder to think what damage could be done to a leg, arm head etc if pinned between the board and mast or hit with the rig - no matter how careful or experienced I am.

Now for the piggybacking kiter. It looks like one of those "Baby Bjorn" child holders and my experience with these is they are very fiddly to get a child out of on dry land even when in the forward position. I wouldn't even know how you would be able to release it quickly when strapped to your back. This is where the actual risk appears to be very onerous for the passenger in this situation. No matter how safe the conditions or experienced the kiter is, I personally believe that this particular action is potentially endangering the child's life. This enormous risk would only be slightly reduced if the child was a competent swimmer and was wearing a PFD and was not strapped into (what appears to be) a makeshift harness

To try and justify this action is irresponsible - You don't see people riding bicycles, motorbikes, skateboards, etc with children strapped to their backs. It's like saying my passion is mountainbiking, and I wan't to give my child the experience of what I love so much, so I strap her/him to my back and off we go. Off course my child won't need a helmet (read PFD in kiter's situation) because I'm so experienced that I'm not going to fall off or go over the handlebars and land on my back.

Sh1t happens, and when it does, just hope you don't have the most precious thing strapped to your back.
whippingboy
whippingboy
WA
1104 posts
WA, 1104 posts
15 Dec 2008 12:58pm
I've got 2 spare kids,
so if you damage yours, I'll lend you one.
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
17 Dec 2008 11:26pm
i reckon the concept is great but some sort of quick release that both the kids and kiter can hit in an emergency, and pfd, would make it much more kosher

Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
18 Dec 2008 12:28am
Haircut said...

i reckon the concept is great but some sort of quick release that both the kids and kiter can hit in an emergency, and pfd, would make it much more kosher




"quick release" is probably the reason some of those guys ended up with kids in the first place...

[}:)]
windwarning
windwarning
VIC
600 posts
VIC, 600 posts
18 Dec 2008 12:46am
kids? i dont even have a chook
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
18 Dec 2008 8:11am
If you swapped the child for a dog getting piggybacked and showed the pictures to the RSPCA along with the kiter's contact details, do you think a RSPCA inspector would want to have a chat to the kiter?

Bristol
Bristol
ACT
347 posts
ACT, 347 posts
18 Dec 2008 8:41am
Mobydisc said...

If you swapped the child for a dog getting piggybacked and showed the pictures to the RSPCA along with the kiter's contact details, do you think a RSPCA inspector would want to have a chat to the kiter?



Yes, he probably would, but he'd get more sense out of the dog.
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