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The new Windsurfer LT Reviewed in detail

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Created by albymongrel > 9 months ago, 9 Apr 2018
Imax1
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21 Feb 2019 10:35PM
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albymongrel said..
Hey guys,
as the creator of this post I'd just like to add to the conversation.

As a super heavyweight at around 110kg, I still have fun on the Windsurfer LT.

I've raced all season against some very talented sailors and the majority much lighter than I, and generally I'm at the back of the pack for several reasons. It's no secret weight is a factor on any board and the LT is no magic bullet. however, I still enjoy it. Why? You ask?

It is because I know regardless of the conditions, I now I can go out and have a go with the one board and the one rig that is simple to rig quickly. I roll my sail round the mast like we all did in the good old days, it saves me a few minutes and that is good for me. No hassles feeding the mast through cams the right way tensioning then detensioning outhaul etc to clip in the cams etc.

I don't have to bring 3 sails (just in case the wind drops or picks up) just play with downhaul anouthaul. Don't need a winch on the downhaul to set the sail, you can tension the downhaul with two fingers and one hand tied behind your back.

Sometimes simplicity is what we want and the LT has that in spades.

Sometimes you just want to hang out with a few mates and have a sail and a beer afterwards. There are always plenty of windsurfer sailors ready to race and have a little fun.

Sometimes I'm happy just to cruise around and do a little exploring and checking out a bay I haven't sailed to before, you don't do that on slalom.

sometimes I like to goof around and practice my freestyle when the wind isn't strong enough for an adrenaline rush, the LT gives me that opportunity.

Sometimes I try to encourage a friend to try windsurfing, I can do that with an LT.

I MAY HAVE SAID THE BOARD IS OK IN 0-30knots early in the piece and it is not a huge exaggeration. I have a pretty good idea of wind strength and to be honest, as I get older, I rarely get out in the big winds like I used to.

back in the day, tried sailing an original windsurfr in 30+++ knots regularly with a storm sail and storm (or no Centreboard) because that was all we had, and we managed to have a ball!

at 110kg, I prefer 15-20 knots but am happy to race in 10 knots and have entered a marathon in less than 2-5 knots ( it later dropped to 0-2 knots and I caught a ride back in rescue IRB CAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN HOURS TO GET BACK.

IVE BEEN CAUGHT in 25-40 knots and yee haaaard loudly as I enjoyed the acceleration and thrill of speed till I fell off a few times. With no foot straps, and the sail set a little loose for lighter winds, I was not prepared for this southerly buster. The Windsurfer in these conditions is harder to ride than say a slalom board where you can lock in and hang on. It is a dance of balance, foot strpeering and rig wrestling in these conditions which is both fun and challenging!

As commented previously by Chris, only a small percentage can handle that stuff and sadly, as I get older, my fitness hampers me, I didn't want to give up but was hassled by the rescue boat who was also rescuing raceboarders and other Wally sailors. A few very good sailors including some on old one designs sailed home triumphantly and conquered these winds after the race was cancelled due to general carnage.

WE HAVE HAD A GREAT SUMMER OF WINDSURFING and so please to see so many women and kids getting into the sport and seeing so many who have bought the LT and are simply stoked at the new found freedom and ease of sailing afforded by the Windsurfer. It is not an arms race, it will never be the best at every or maybe any discipline but for me, it is the best allround versatile best value and is fun to ride.

Ahhhh windsurfing is fun. Sail whatever u like, own as many boards and rigs as you like. I still have numerous boards but somehow, at the moment, I'm content to take my Wally LT, GO RACING with a few friends (107 at the recent Nationals) and enjoy the sun, saltwater and simplicity of windsurfing old school.

the choice is personal. Don't attack people's choice, just be happy with whatever you choose to do.

Cheers, Al
PS
not a Windsurfer fan boy
i own two mistrals, an F2, a starboard and two windsurfers at the moment ( an LT and an Original - haven't owned or raced a one design for 30 years till I got the LT).
i am a fan of the Windsurfer LT though, FROM the brand that started it all and has given me many fond memories since 1979. WINDSURFER! The real Windsurfer for REAL Windsurfers!



I'm jealous of your philosophy.
You have summed it up beautifully.
Its too easy getting caught up in I It all , and I suppose its what naturally drives us. And doing this is fun.
But fun is , all about smiles .
Im guilty about doing and wanting it all , and it ends up the simple things that really count .
The best experience I ever had was when I retried windsurfing after a 25 year break with a $50 Wally on a sunny Vic 5 kt day. Kids kinda grew up and I thought WTF for $50 !
Way older ( and fatter ) , but , ( surprisingly ) , still easy in light wind.
Went out way too far and had an encounter with a pod of dolphins. Miles out and all alone.
They chased me back in for a few minutes and one jumped over the front of my board. I sh.t u not .
I was terrified and loving it at the same time.
It gets better...
As I was leaving the car park I saw a obvious gay guy on roller skates , ( yeah 4 wheel roller skates , not in line skates , complete with long socks ) , happy as I was .
To each his own.
It gets even better ,
on cue , on the radio they were playing that Bruno Mars happy song.
I still think of that day every time I hear that song.
Within three days I bought a brand new fan dangled 6.5 rig and a $50 smaller plastic fun board.
Now I have way too much gear and it's still the simple days that are important .
When I'm old and sitting in a chair , half my best memories would be below foot straps and planing.
Id love an LT but I need more racks.

sailquik
VIC, 4450 posts
21 Feb 2019 10:45PM
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albymongrel said.. Hey guys,
as the creator of this post I'd just like to add to the conversation...........
..................i am a fan of the Windsurfer LT though, FROM the brand that started it all and has given me many fond memories since 1979. WINDSURFER! The real Windsurfer for REAL Windsurfers!


I love your infectious enthusiasm and you are a great ambassador for the spot!
Even if your personal ammemometer is slightly off....

fjdoug
ACT, 431 posts
22 Feb 2019 5:44PM
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so without weight divisions what would be the optimum weight for a sailor on a 220 litre board and a 5.7 sail ?

AUS 814
NSW, 217 posts
22 Feb 2019 6:15PM
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so without weight divisions what would be the optimum weight for a sailor on a 220 litre board and a 5.7 sail ?


60 kg .?....

Gestalt
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22 Feb 2019 5:22PM
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Depends on the wind.

sailquik
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22 Feb 2019 7:16PM
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Gestalt said..
Depends on the wind.


I think one could assume light winds for any Olympic sailing regatta.

windsufering
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22 Feb 2019 7:32PM
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This is Tokyo Olympics venue

cammd
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22 Feb 2019 6:36PM
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fjdoug said..






so without weight divisions what would be the optimum weight for a sailor on a 220 litre board and a 5.7 sail ?



60 kg .?....


In techno under 15 years of age are restricted to a maximum of 6.8 and they have a 5.8 for strong wind, I've have heard the ideal weight for the U17's who use a 7.8 is around 65kgs. So 60kgs may be on the fat side for an Olympic campaign with a 5.7mtr.

The lighter kids seem to do well in the techno class particulary in the 7.8 division. Hamish showed that being lightweight is no disadvantage in both the Techno Plus (8.5) and Wally Nationals.

sailquik
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23 Feb 2019 12:57AM
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This is Tokyo Olympics venue



Yep, Light winds.

Oh....... and a Tsunami.

Chris 249
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23 Feb 2019 7:56PM
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so without weight divisions what would be the optimum weight for a sailor on a 220 litre board and a 5.7 sail ?



I'd reckon at a guess that 65-70 kg would be very quick because we get so many marginal planing days and therefore everyone would get close to that range.

Your comment got me thinking so please excuse the following essay. My impression is that the One Design was less sensitive to weight than the IMCO 7.4, and probably less sensitive than an 8.5 Raceboard. I haven't sailed Raceboards with 9.5 so can't comment. The LT is significantly less weight sensitive than the OD, from what I can see.

The thing is that Raceboards have a real jump in their downwind speed when you can get the track back, the gap closed, and the centreboard up. In my experience in marginal planing conditions, particularly in IMCOs, that gave the top light sailors an advantage of several knots. In Windsurfers you don't have that same difference between modes so although lights have an advantage in marginal stuff, it's much smaller. In light winds there seems to be little difference and when it gets around 20 knots the stronger/heavier sailors have an advantage.

The course races at the Nats were sailed in two starts; HEavy, Super HEavy and Cruiser in one and Women, Lights and Mediums in the other. I don't know the order in the HEavy/Super heavy group but from what I recall, the Heavies utterly dominated.

Lanee Beashel, who looks very light and is a four-time (?) Olympian, was actually the fastest sailor overall in the 49-strong Women/Light/Medium start and if everyone was scored together she would have killed it. Even by her high standards it was great sailing and she cleaned up a fleet that included a six time world women's champ.

The overall order in the W/M/L group ran 1- Woman; 2- Light/youth (Hamish); 3- Light/Grand Master (the flying Lloydie); 4- Medium; 5- Medium; 6- Light; 7- Light; 8- Light; 9 - Medium; 10- Light. Obviously results are affected by the fact that people are playing tactics in their weight division rather than trying to be first home in their start group.

It was a light regatta, with probably all bar one course race sailed in less than 10 knots. The race that was probably the lightest saw Michael Lancey, a Mediumweight, finish first of the entire L/M/W fleet while the strongest race (only 12 knots or so in the long gusts and with lighter patches) saw a Medium in second to Hamish. That fits in with the norm - the Ls have a bit of an advantage in marginal planing but not necessarily in non-planing winds or stronger winds.

There was also a bit of marginal planing in the marathonl which started off in a medium breeze that died. Hamish (Light, Youth) won overall from Lanee, with the order in the top 15 going L, W, L, L, Heavy (Dennis), L, L, L, M, L. L, M,M,L,M. The second heavy was 18th, the first Super Heavy 44th. Again, the results were affected by tactics within weight groups.

In the slalom the winds were mainly non-planing, as far as I can remember, and Dennis (H) won overall from Mike Lancey (M) with Hamish (L) in third, followed by Jason Morris (L), Cam Harrison (like Mike, a Medium weight, a Youth Worlds runner-up in his younger days and a Raceboard champ), Sam Treharne (M), and Will Wright (M). Again we see that in light winds when no one is planing, there's a good mixture of weights.

At a guess if we'd all raced together in all events I'd have thought that Lanee would have been fastest overall, followed by Hamish, Jason Morris (L), Mike (Med), Dennis (H) or the next Med, then some Lights, etc. However, of course, I'm sure that none of us were trying to win racing overall and that has a huge effect on tactics, strategy, motivation etc. In addition, it was a regatta that was largely sailed in non-planing winds with the occasional marginal planing race and that would have favoured the lights.

Given the fact that only two light guys beat the top two medium guys, and looking at Dennis's results in the Marathon and Slalom, I would say that the results indicate that the new board is less weight sensitive than the old one, by a fair margin.

EDIT -many thanks to Mal R for the overall placings information.

AUS18
QLD, 24 posts
23 Feb 2019 8:19PM
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Chris 249 said..

fjdoug said..






so without weight divisions what would be the optimum weight for a sailor on a 220 litre board and a 5.7 sail ?



I'd reckon at a guess that 65-70 kg would be very quick because we get so many marginal planing days and therefore everyone would get close to that range.

Your comment got me thinking so please excuse the following essay. My impression is that the One Design was less sensitive to weight than the IMCO 7.4, and probably less sensitive than an 8.5 Raceboard. I haven't sailed Raceboards with 9.5 so can't comment. The LT is significantly less weight sensitive than the OD, from what I can see.

The thing is that Raceboards have a real jump in their downwind speed when you can get the track back, the gap closed, and the centreboard up. In my experience in marginal planing conditions, particularly in IMCOs, that gave the top light sailors an advantage of several knots. In Windsurfers you don't have that same difference between modes so although lights have an advantage in marginal stuff, it's much smaller. In light winds there seems to be little difference and when it gets around 20 knots the stronger/heavier sailors have an advantage.

The course races at the Nats were sailed in two starts; HEavy, Super HEavy and Cruiser in one and Women, Lights and Mediums in the other. I don't know the order in the HEavy/Super heavy group but from what I recall, the Heavies utterly dominated.

Lanee Beashel, who looks very light and is a four-time (?) Olympian, was actually the fastest sailor overall in the 49-strong Women/Light/Medium start and if everyone was scored together she would have killed it. Even by her high standards it was great sailing and she cleaned up a fleet that included a six time world women's champ.

The overall order in the W/M/L group ran 1- Woman; 2- Light/youth (Hamish); 3- Light/Grand Master (the flying Lloydie); 4- Medium; 5- Medium; 6- Light; 7- Light; 8- Light; 9 - Medium; 10- Light. Obviously results are affected by the fact that people are playing tactics in their weight division rather than trying to be first home in their start group.

It was a light regatta, with probably all bar one course race sailed in less than 10 knots. The race that was probably the lightest saw Michael Lancey, a Mediumweight, finish first of the entire L/M/W fleet while the strongest race (only 12 knots or so in the long gusts and with lighter patches) saw a Medium in second to Hamish. That fits in with the norm - the Ls have a bit of an advantage in marginal planing but not necessarily in non-planing winds or stronger winds.

There was also a bit of marginal planing in the marathonl which started off in a medium breeze that died. Hamish (Light, Youth) won overall from Lanee, with the order in the top 15 going L, W, L, L, Heavy (Dennis), L, L, L, M, L. L, M,M,L,M. The second heavy was 18th, the first Super Heavy 44th. Again, the results were affected by tactics within weight groups.

In the slalom the winds were mainly non-planing, as far as I can remember, and Dennis (H) won overall from Mike Lancey (M) with Hamish (L) in third, followed by Jason Morris (L), Cam Harrison (like Mike, a Medium weight, a Youth Worlds runner-up in his younger days and a Raceboard champ), Sam Treharne (M), and Will Wright (M). Again we see that in light winds when no one is planing, there's a good mixture of weights.

At a guess if we'd all raced together in all events I'd have thought that Lanee would have been fastest overall, followed by Hamish, Jason Morris (L), Mike (Med), Dennis (H) or the next Med, then some Lights, etc. However, of course, I'm sure that none of us were trying to win racing overall and that has a huge effect on tactics, strategy, motivation etc. In addition, it was a regatta that was largely sailed in non-planing winds with the occasional marginal planing race and that would have favoured the lights.

Given the fact that only two light guys beat the top two medium guys, and looking at Dennis's results in the Marathon and Slalom, I would say that the results indicate that the new board is less weight sensitive than the old one, by a fair margin.





Well done Chris, good analysis.
I actually came 4th over the line in the marathon behind Lloydie, Lanee, and Hamish.
Ps No more tips for Hamish ??

windsufering
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23 Feb 2019 9:26PM
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Beau ?

Chris 249
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23 Feb 2019 9:59PM
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Well done Chris, good analysis.
I actually came 4th over the line in the marathon behind Lloydie, Lanee, and Hamish.
Ps No more tips for Hamish ??


Yep, sorry about that. I just ignored the shifts to use the race to work on my straight line speed so I was too far behind you to see!

I reckon Hamish's coach may be able to give him a tip or two - I hear the coach isn't all that slow. Just book your air tickets to Garda so you can take care of him at the worlds.

Chris 249
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23 Feb 2019 10:01PM
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windsufering said..
Beau ?


Scored 1,1,2,3 and a lot of DNSs, I think. I had originally put in his placings but I chopped out that sentence to try to keep it shorter.

AUS18
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23 Feb 2019 9:22PM
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AUS18 said..








Well done Chris, good analysis.
I actually came 4th over the line in the marathon behind Lloydie, Lanee, and Hamish.
Ps No more tips for Hamish ??



Yep, sorry about that. I just ignored the shifts to use the race to work on my straight line speed so I was too far behind you to see!

I reckon Hamish's coach may be able to give him a tip or two - I hear the coach isn't all that slow. Just book your air tickets to Garda so you can take care of him at the worlds.


No go for the worlds
Daddy Den with be stuck at home finishing off our house reno!
Looks like it will be the Perth worlds for me

I've still got the cup from the last one in 2001 sitting on the shelf .
Hard to believe its been 18 years since the last worlds.
A lot of good memories


NotWal
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23 Feb 2019 9:33PM
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This is Tokyo Olympics venue


That's the guy they named the Qld cyclone after. He doesn't look cyclonic does he.

albymongrel
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24 Feb 2019 10:34AM
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Chris 249 said..


AUS18 said..










Well done Chris, good analysis.
I actually came 4th over the line in the marathon behind Lloydie, Lanee, and Hamish.
Ps No more tips for Hamish ??




Yep, sorry about that. I just ignored the shifts to use the race to work on my straight line speed so I was too far behind you to see!

I reckon Hamish's coach may be able to give him a tip or two - I hear the coach isn't all that slow. Just book your air tickets to Garda so you can take care of him at the worlds.



No go for the worlds
Daddy Den with be stuck at home finishing off our house reno!
Looks like it will be the Perth worlds for me

I've still got the cup from the last one in 2001 sitting on the shelf .
Hard to believe its been 18 years since the last worlds.
A lot of good memories




Noooo! You have to go mate.
1. It would be a hollow victory for the winner if you weren't there to defend it.
2. Hamish needs u
3. Some one needs to keep Thommo in check or he's likely to bag too many trophies and have to pay excess baggage.
4. The Reno can wait a few weeks - or better still, pull yer finger out and finish it beforehand!
5. Shout you beautiful wife to a romantic Italian holiday.
6. The world needs to see a tandem freestyle demo with that amazing daughter of yours and her legend dad.

ok, I know, I'm a problem solver - got it all sorted for you! Don't forget me in your acceptance speech

WallyWally
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24 Feb 2019 11:04AM
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Here's the Windsurfer vibe in 60 seconds:



lotofwind
NSW, 5012 posts
24 Feb 2019 10:27PM
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^^^^^^^^WOW, super hardcore action, not a sport for the faint hearted, thanks for posting.

I can see why all the young new hardcore adrenalin junkies are flocking to windsurfing, has got me thinking of getting back into it.

Chris 249
NSW, 1728 posts
25 Feb 2019 11:37AM
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Oh for god's sake, please don't get back into windsurfing. We really, really don't want people like you in the sport.

It's stupid to brag as if kids are flocking to kite comps. You know how many "adrenalin junkies" kids turned seem to have turned up to the Youth Olympic Games kitesurfing selection trials in Brisbane? That'd be zero. As in none. You seem very young so just to make sure you know, zero doesn't mean very many.

They seem to have moved the Youth Olympic Games qualification event to the world TT event in Thailand - and with that prize at offer, just three Aussie boys turned up. Do you know how many Australian youth girls turned up? Zero. Yep, that word again. Wow, what a success!

Y'know how many "adrenalin junky" youth turned up to the kitesurfing nationals? Three. Just three. No wonder people on Seabreeze's kiting forum complain that "there used to be way more comps, way more people creating scenes and getting each other stoked, more young people."

Sure, there was a reasonable youth and junior turnout at the kite freestyle nationals. That's good to see. We're not bitching and hating - we leave that sad stuff to you. But while it's great to see kids turn up to kite freestyle nationals, the fact is that both the One Design and Techno nationals got more kids. In fact the youth fleets at both those events were bigger than the entire Aussie fleet at the kitefoil nationals. So much for the supposed showpiece of high-adrenalin kiteboard racing and its lure for youth.

So when you're implying that adrenalin attracts kids to competitions, you're not just being sad and bitchy - you're also either lying or showing that you're ignorant.




NotWal
QLD, 6855 posts
25 Feb 2019 11:04AM
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Yep lotowind by name and by nature.

lotofwind
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25 Feb 2019 4:46PM
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RichardG
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25 Feb 2019 5:53PM
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Chris 249 said..
Oh for god's sake, please don't get back into windsurfing. We really, really don't want people like you in the sport.

It's stupid to brag as if kids are flocking to kite comps. You know how many "adrenalin junkies" kids turned seem to have turned up to the Youth Olympic Games kitesurfing selection trials in Brisbane? That'd be zero. As in none. You seem very young so just to make sure you know, zero doesn't mean very many.

They seem to have moved the Youth Olympic Games qualification event to the world TT event in Thailand - and with that prize at offer, just three Aussie boys turned up. Do you know how many Australian youth girls turned up? Zero. Yep, that word again. Wow, what a success!

Y'know how many "adrenalin junky" youth turned up to the kitesurfing nationals? Three. Just three. No wonder people on Seabreeze's kiting forum complain that "there used to be way more comps, way more people creating scenes and getting each other stoked, more young people."

Sure, there was a reasonable youth and junior turnout at the kite freestyle nationals. That's good to see. We're not bitching and hating - we leave that sad stuff to you. But while it's great to see kids turn up to kite freestyle nationals, the fact is that both the One Design and Techno nationals got more kids. In fact the youth fleets at both those events were bigger than the entire Aussie fleet at the kitefoil nationals. So much for the supposed showpiece of high-adrenalin kiteboard racing and its lure for youth.

So when you're implying that adrenalin attracts kids to competitions, you're not just being sad and bitchy - you're also either lying or showing that you're ignorant.






Kiting has been cancelled.

shoodbegood
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25 Feb 2019 9:08PM
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Haha!

You're not green thumbing yourself now are you?

lotofwind
NSW, 5012 posts
25 Feb 2019 9:33PM
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Na, you cant green thumb yourself, but Im feeling the love of those not so grumpy and serious, road rage, internet rage types.

windsufering
VIC, 679 posts
25 Feb 2019 9:45PM
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If kite boarding made it into the Olympics the Wally has got a very good chance !
World sailing has always made dubious decisions.
hopefully they will make the correct one .

lotofwind
NSW, 5012 posts
25 Feb 2019 9:53PM
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Why are you all so focused and worried about the Olympics ??? I hope neither sports are in it, don't think it really show cases what its really all about.
Or r u hoping that if its in the Olympics more people might go back to the 80's times and it will be popular again?? Why would u want more crowds in the water ??

windsufering
VIC, 679 posts
25 Feb 2019 9:59PM
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If windsurf foil gets selected is it going to be like the nacra 17 where cheating Is rampant !
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