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The new Windsurfer LT Reviewed in detail

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Created by albymongrel > 9 months ago, 9 Apr 2018
Chris 249
NSW, 3207 posts
26 Feb 2019 8:45AM
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lotofwind said..
Why are you all so focused and worried about the Olympics ??? I hope neither sports are in it, don't think it really show cases what its really all about.
Or r u hoping that if its in the Olympics more people might go back to the 80's times and it will be popular again?? Why would u want more crowds in the water ??




We're not "all" focussed and worried about the Olympics. However, I don't like the hype, spin and half truths put out by some of those who want kiting to be in the Games. Secondly, if kiting is in another discipline will come out - and many people are committed to those disciplines. There are huge numbers of people racing in some of the disciplines that may get chucked from the Games. Messing all those people around in order to put in a competitive discipline that is so unpopular does not seem fair.

Many of us don't mind more people on the water because, whereas you are a hate-filled, sneering, arrogant grumpy fwit who obviously dislikes most people and loves making pathetic efforts to put them down, we like other people. We want to have more friends around so we can share the stoke.

My main sailing class (Windsurfer) and my sailing club are both growing like crazy. Everyone is happy. There are smiles all round. Everyone's friendly. We give and take a joke, but we don't put anyone down and pretend we're joking. It's called having a good time with friends - maybe if you changed your attitude you could experience it too.

CAN17
575 posts
26 Feb 2019 6:17AM
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Sorry to jump in here for a sec.

Im sure this has been asked before. But is there a way to see green thumb vote tallys

Gestalt
QLD, 14097 posts
4 Mar 2019 7:45AM
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Another awesome lt session
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snorkel962
QLD, 446 posts
5 Mar 2019 7:15PM
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Very little time to get a sail in and wind light and variable. LT absolutely a champ for this- super quick rigging and fun in the lulls of 2 knots and the gusts of 10. Able to make the most of every minute.

Oops we're on our sides in the north

albymongrel
NSW, 257 posts
5 Mar 2019 9:12PM
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I forgot how much I loved rolling my sail round the mast. It saves me a few minutes - more time on water! Awesome

Relic
TAS, 837 posts
6 Mar 2019 7:45AM
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albymongrel said..
I forgot how much I loved rolling my sail round the mast. It saves me a few minutes - more time on water! Awesome

I saw an LT in rh flesh for the first time yesterday. Do the conclaves on the bottom help with early planing? It would have to be faster downwind than a Wally?
Upwind is the question , does it point to windward as well as the Wally given the extra with?
Vrey nice quality construction and rig.

albymongrel
NSW, 257 posts
6 Mar 2019 10:09AM
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albymongrel said..
I forgot how much I loved rolling my sail round the mast. It saves me a few minutes - more time on water! Awesome



I saw an LT in rh flesh for the first time yesterday. Do the conclaves on the bottom help with early planing? It would have to be faster downwind than a Wally?
Upwind is the question , does it point to windward as well as the Wally given the extra with?
Vrey nice quality construction and rig.



Hi,
yes def points upwind very well and much faster more controllable downwind.

in very light <5knots with a lighter sailor under 70kg, an older Wally is still competitive especially in upwind leg if sailed well but of the 100 sailors at the Nats, at least 2/3 would have an old one design at home and didn't bring it - so that says it all really.

no complaints at Nationals about them from 100 + experienced sailors
Less than 5 one designs there sailed by some diehards in mid field.

you will be happy with the LT - I'm sure.

freestyled great as well!

WINDGENUITY have upgraded their website and have the LT there with pricing options...

www.windgenuity.com.au/shop/windsurfer-lt-hull-cb-fin/

Cheers, Al
#we_are_windsurfer

Chris249
357 posts
8 Mar 2019 3:32PM
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Relic said..

albymongrel said..
I forgot how much I loved rolling my sail round the mast. It saves me a few minutes - more time on water! Awesome


I saw an LT in rh flesh for the first time yesterday. Do the conclaves on the bottom help with early planing? It would have to be faster downwind than a Wally?
Upwind is the question , does it point to windward as well as the Wally given the extra with?
Vrey nice quality construction and rig.


Downwind in strong winds the LT would be knots faster than the OD. As a very rough guess I'd say 2-3 knots quicker top speed, at least. It is also much easier to handle and planes earlier but I can't qualify that.

Upwind in lightish winds the new shape develops more lift but creates a bit more fuss. The bigger fin and thicker rails seem to make up for the extra width, so it seems to point the same as the old board from what I could see at the first regatta for the season. The guys who used the old board at the Nats are good small-fleet sailors but could not perform as well in a 50-board start so I didn't get to sail against them. I would reckon that in a light wind regatta such as the nats, the One Design would have been very competitive but in a breeze the new board is much quicker downwind.

gregnw44
12 posts
3 Apr 2019 9:22AM
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Hi, I have a question that some of you with lots of LT experience, can help me with.

I still haven't seen one in person yet... but I understand there is "some cloth material" in the centerboard well area, that can come off (or come loose) ???
I heard this from an experienced owner... but we were talking about many different features of the board and rig... and I didn't quite get the details on this issue. Anyway he said, this was a "quality control issue"... and that he wished it was designed differently?
Any comments that can clarify this for me, would be appreciated.
Thanks, Greg :)

gregnw44
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3 Apr 2019 9:26AM
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gregnw44 said..
Hi, I have a question that some of you with lots of LT experience, can help me with.

I still haven't seen one in person yet... but I understand there is "some cloth material" in the centerboard well area, that can come off (or come loose) ???
I heard this from an experienced owner... but we were talking about many different features of the board and rig... and I didn't quite get the details on this issue. Anyway he said, this was a "quality control issue"... and that he wished it was designed differently?
Any comments that can clarify this for me, would be appreciated.
Thanks, Greg :)


I'm sorry if this was already discussed, previously. I didn't go back through the 17 pages, haha! But if this was discussed, please tell me where to look, and I will :)

normster
NSW, 314 posts
4 Apr 2019 9:28AM
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Greg - there is rubber seal on the centreboard case underside.

Some have split longways probably from the centreboard going up and down - they are very easy to replace as they clip in and out of a track already screwed in

i think they are re thinking it now - it wont need much perhaps different compound or materiel in the seal itself

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
4 Apr 2019 11:04AM
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Some peeps have put tape over the flaps , seems to stop the split spreading, no need to replace

gregnw44
12 posts
4 Apr 2019 10:21PM
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Thanks guys, I appreciate the info !!
Yes, ok, you're talking about the rubber centerboard gaskets / lips / flaps on the bottom of the board to help keep the bottom-side smooth and "sliding faster"... and water from shooting up into the centerboard well :)
Thanks for the info... that those can wear out prematurely!!
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But my friend was talking about something more "cloth-like" ?!?!?!
Maybe he's talking about the piece of material on the deck... so you can push the back edge of the CB (centerboard) down easier barefoot?
Have you guys had any issue with THAT PIECE failing??
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Or is there any other cloth-like material inside the CB well?

normster
NSW, 314 posts
5 Apr 2019 10:05AM
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yeah - cloth like flap on top side to put of board and start to push it down

pretty standard on boards that have centreboards going thru hulls - i wasn't aware of any failing

Dag
QLD, 720 posts
5 Apr 2019 9:14AM
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It's the rubber flap's underneath that were splitting. Windgenuity have solved the problem. The flaps are wrapped in sticky back sail cloth.
I have just gotten a new Lt with this, and it's heaps better. The centerboard function's much better too. It stay's where you put it, and is easy enough to move, whilst still reasonably firm.

RichardG
WA, 3743 posts
5 Apr 2019 10:18AM
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The flaps are one of those things which are a problem to some sailors but the vast majority never have problems. I am not having a problem, all I have to do is regularly lubricate the centreboard with silicone spray at the top every now or then which aids operation in the case. The advice I have been given, is that if you are not having a problem then leave it. If they split, send Windgenuity a photograph and they can replace them with the sticky back covered version. Others who have had the problem are using the stickyback version with success.

gregnw44
12 posts
5 Apr 2019 11:33AM
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Perfect, yes, that's the situation I think my friend was describing!!!

Your explanations make sense... all sounds good.

I appreciate your time and typing!
Thank you :)

albymongrel
NSW, 257 posts
6 Apr 2019 10:40PM
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All of the boards have a small piece of black sticky back in a half circle that goes over the front of the rubber flaps to presumably smooth the hull and stop flaps from sticking out. It can become unstuck. Simple enough to stick on another piece. Get it from any sailing shop.

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
7 Apr 2019 9:47PM
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gregnw44
12 posts
27 Apr 2019 12:52AM
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Questions for all you Windsurfer LT owners - I'd like to know details about the One Design rig that comes with the LT.

*Are the sail specs printed on the sail ?

*What is the luff length and boom length?

*I see from pics, there is one full head batten and two short leech battens. Are these easily removable? Do you just un-do the tightening strap and pull the batten out? Or, do you need a tool or certain technique?

*Is there a built-in pocket in the luff sleeve to store the 3 battens?

*I understand the alum boom is 180-240cm adjustable, is that correct?
And does the "clamp-on front end" fully pivot / swivel 90 degrees?
Can you leave it clamped to the mast and rotate it up fully alongside the mast?

*What % of you all, are fully de-rigging each time?

*How many people (do what we all did from '75 to '85)... remove the 3 small battens... un-do the outhaul... roll the sail up along-side the mast... rotate the boom up to the mast... use the outhaul line to secure the boom-end to the "mast sail roll"... use the uphaul to wrap around the lower sail, then secure to mast-base... and carry the rig "folded up like this" on your roof rack?

Haha, thanks for the details you know, Greg :)

Hardcarve1
QLD, 547 posts
27 Apr 2019 7:50AM
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gregnw44 said..
Questions for all you Windsurfer LT owners - I'd like to know details about the One Design rig that comes with the LT.

*Are the sail specs printed on the sail ?

*What is the luff length and boom length?

*I see from pics, there is one full head batten and two short leech battens. Are these easily removable? Do you just un-do the tightening strap and pull the batten out? Or, do you need a tool or certain technique?

*Is there a built-in pocket in the luff sleeve to store the 3 battens?

*I understand the alum boom is 180-240cm adjustable, is that correct?
And does the "clamp-on front end" fully pivot / swivel 90 degrees?
Can you leave it clamped to the mast and rotate it up fully alongside the mast?

*What % of you all, are fully de-rigging each time?

*How many people (do what we all did from '75 to '85)... remove the 3 small battens... un-do the outhaul... roll the sail up along-side the mast... rotate the boom up to the mast... use the outhaul line to secure the boom-end to the "mast sail roll"... use the uphaul to wrap around the lower sail, then secure to mast-base... and carry the rig "folded up like this" on your roof rack?

Haha, thanks for the details you know, Greg

1) Not sure
2) Not sure
3) Top Batten held in by strap with two leech battens held in by pockets. Full length batten is easy to remove but two leech battens needs some fiddling of the batten pocket to release batten, I have never tried it though.
4) Yes I think there is but I have never used it so not 100% sure but there is a pocket is there. I roll the sail tip down so placing battens in pockets would prevent the sail from rolling.
5) Boom can swivel 90 Deg and if you choose you could leave it clamped on to hold boom to mast, remember mast is in two sections.
6) I always de-rig every time to wash and store.
7) I never remove battens but do release tension on top batten. I always disassemble rig completely so it can be washed and then all parts stored separately. Sail is rolled up using the battens as a stiffener to stop the sail from creasing with sail rolled with shiny side on the outside. This me thinks minimizes delamination which the old sails did not have the problem.

I don't race and just use the LT for fun so not sure what the people who race do and I sail about 50 meters from my house so I never need to care about packing up for transport.

Hope this helps
Alex

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
29 Apr 2019 4:37PM
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Super Sunday done and dusted super event
here is a fact
Windsurfer Lt had a bigger fleet than the 2019 Bic techno plus world championships boys fleet
wow we must be doing something !

Imax1
QLD, 4520 posts
29 Apr 2019 6:57PM
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I want one .

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
30 Apr 2019 8:02AM
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Imax1 said..
I want one .


I'm sure of you get in contact with the crew from parkdale, they can organise a demo !

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
30 Apr 2019 2:12PM
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backtotheroots
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30 Apr 2019 3:31PM
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Hardcarve1 said..

gregnw44 said..
Questions for all you Windsurfer LT owners - I'd like to know details about the One Design rig that comes with the LT.

*Are the sail specs printed on the sail ?

*What is the luff length and boom length?

*I see from pics, there is one full head batten and two short leech battens. Are these easily removable? Do you just un-do the tightening strap and pull the batten out? Or, do you need a tool or certain technique?

*Is there a built-in pocket in the luff sleeve to store the 3 battens?

*I understand the alum boom is 180-240cm adjustable, is that correct?
And does the "clamp-on front end" fully pivot / swivel 90 degrees?
Can you leave it clamped to the mast and rotate it up fully alongside the mast?

*What % of you all, are fully de-rigging each time?

*How many people (do what we all did from '75 to '85)... remove the 3 small battens... un-do the outhaul... roll the sail up along-side the mast... rotate the boom up to the mast... use the outhaul line to secure the boom-end to the "mast sail roll"... use the uphaul to wrap around the lower sail, then secure to mast-base... and carry the rig "folded up like this" on your roof rack?

Haha, thanks for the details you know, Greg


1) Not sure
2) Not sure
3) Top Batten held in by strap with two leech battens held in by pockets. Full length batten is easy to remove but two leech battens needs some fiddling of the batten pocket to release batten, I have never tried it though.
4) Yes I think there is but I have never used it so not 100% sure but there is a pocket is there. I roll the sail tip down so placing battens in pockets would prevent the sail from rolling.
5) Boom can swivel 90 Deg and if you choose you could leave it clamped on to hold boom to mast, remember mast is in two sections.
6) I always de-rig every time to wash and store.
7) I never remove battens but do release tension on top batten. I always disassemble rig completely so it can be washed and then all parts stored separately. Sail is rolled up using the battens as a stiffener to stop the sail from creasing with sail rolled with shiny side on the outside. This me thinks minimizes delamination which the old sails did not have the problem.

I don't race and just use the LT for fun so not sure what the people who race do and I sail about 50 meters from my house so I never need to care about packing up for transport.

Hope this helps
Alex


can somebody say me:
what is the maximum boomlength inside measured (220cm ?).
Do some other trimtricks exist ?
many thanks in advance
Steven

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
30 Apr 2019 6:59PM
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Hardcarve1 said..





gregnw44 said..
Questions for all you Windsurfer LT owners - I'd like to know details about the One Design rig that comes with the LT.

*Are the sail specs printed on the sail ?

*What is the luff length and boom length?

*I see from pics, there is one full head batten and two short leech battens. Are these easily removable? Do you just un-do the tightening strap and pull the batten out? Or, do you need a tool or certain technique?

*Is there a built-in pocket in the luff sleeve to store the 3 battens?

*I understand the alum boom is 180-240cm adjustable, is that correct?
And does the "clamp-on front end" fully pivot / swivel 90 degrees?
Can you leave it clamped to the mast and rotate it up fully alongside the mast?

*What % of you all, are fully de-rigging each time?

*How many people (do what we all did from '75 to '85)... remove the 3 small battens... un-do the outhaul... roll the sail up along-side the mast... rotate the boom up to the mast... use the outhaul line to secure the boom-end to the "mast sail roll"... use the uphaul to wrap around the lower sail, then secure to mast-base... and carry the rig "folded up like this" on your roof rack?

Haha, thanks for the details you know, Greg






1) Not sure
2) Not sure
3) Top Batten held in by strap with two leech battens held in by pockets. Full length batten is easy to remove but two leech battens needs some fiddling of the batten pocket to release batten, I have never tried it though.
4) Yes I think there is but I have never used it so not 100% sure but there is a pocket is there. I roll the sail tip down so placing battens in pockets would prevent the sail from rolling.
5) Boom can swivel 90 Deg and if you choose you could leave it clamped on to hold boom to mast, remember mast is in two sections.
6) I always de-rig every time to wash and store.
7) I never remove battens but do release tension on top batten. I always disassemble rig completely so it can be washed and then all parts stored separately. Sail is rolled up using the battens as a stiffener to stop the sail from creasing with sail rolled with shiny side on the outside. This me thinks minimizes delamination which the old sails did not have the problem.

I don't race and just use the LT for fun so not sure what the people who race do and I sail about 50 meters from my house so I never need to care about packing up for transport.

Hope this helps
Alex






can somebody say me:
what is the maximum boomlength inside measured (220cm ?).
Do some other trimtricks exist ?
many thanks in advance
Steven





The boom is adjustable you can have what ever length you like
winder longer, lighter shorter my guess would be 220 to 225 depends how much overhang you prefer
people adjust to the vibe !
specs on the sail, it says WINDSUFER

backtotheroots
4 posts
1 May 2019 9:06PM
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Sorry, what is the measurement without overhang ? I have a outhaul System on my boom, therefore I like a trim so that I can pull the outhaul to maximum in stronger wind. In other words shall I adjust Boomlength (inside measured) to 225 cm.
alot of thanks in advance
Steven

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
2 May 2019 4:05AM
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backtotheroots said..
Sorry, what is the measurement without overhang ? I have a outhaul System on my boom, therefore I like a trim so that I can pull the outhaul to maximum in stronger wind. In other words shall I adjust Boomlength (inside measured) to 225 cm.
alot of thanks in advance
Steven






Exact length is too hard to saiy
its a soft sail .
so many factors
your weight , height ,sailing ability, wind strength , sea state , sail condition, free sailing or racing
Boom stiffness . Everyone had different setttings !
im not smart enough to telll you , I've never measured it just gone by the look
its a one design class when racing in a class sanctioned event , you cannot have adjustable outhauls.
The booms are made of aluminium.

Chris249
357 posts
2 May 2019 1:16PM
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Hardcarve1 said..




gregnw44 said..
Questions for all you Windsurfer LT owners - I'd like to know details about the One Design rig that comes with the LT.

*Are the sail specs printed on the sail ?

*What is the luff length and boom length?

*I see from pics, there is one full head batten and two short leech battens. Are these easily removable? Do you just un-do the tightening strap and pull the batten out? Or, do you need a tool or certain technique?

*Is there a built-in pocket in the luff sleeve to store the 3 battens?

*I understand the alum boom is 180-240cm adjustable, is that correct?
And does the "clamp-on front end" fully pivot / swivel 90 degrees?
Can you leave it clamped to the mast and rotate it up fully alongside the mast?

*What % of you all, are fully de-rigging each time?

*How many people (do what we all did from '75 to '85)... remove the 3 small battens... un-do the outhaul... roll the sail up along-side the mast... rotate the boom up to the mast... use the outhaul line to secure the boom-end to the "mast sail roll"... use the uphaul to wrap around the lower sail, then secure to mast-base... and carry the rig "folded up like this" on your roof rack?

Haha, thanks for the details you know, Greg





1) Not sure
2) Not sure
3) Top Batten held in by strap with two leech battens held in by pockets. Full length batten is easy to remove but two leech battens needs some fiddling of the batten pocket to release batten, I have never tried it though.
4) Yes I think there is but I have never used it so not 100% sure but there is a pocket is there. I roll the sail tip down so placing battens in pockets would prevent the sail from rolling.
5) Boom can swivel 90 Deg and if you choose you could leave it clamped on to hold boom to mast, remember mast is in two sections.
6) I always de-rig every time to wash and store.
7) I never remove battens but do release tension on top batten. I always disassemble rig completely so it can be washed and then all parts stored separately. Sail is rolled up using the battens as a stiffener to stop the sail from creasing with sail rolled with shiny side on the outside. This me thinks minimizes delamination which the old sails did not have the problem.

I don't race and just use the LT for fun so not sure what the people who race do and I sail about 50 meters from my house so I never need to care about packing up for transport.

Hope this helps
Alex





can somebody say me:
what is the maximum boomlength inside measured (220cm ?).
Do some other trimtricks exist ?
many thanks in advance
Steven




As WS said, booms are adjustable and many sailors use old ones. The standard setting is about 220 inside measurement.

Adjusting the outhaul so that the very back of the leach is at 217cm in moderate winds is fast and high. In light winds (say 6 knots or less) you can ease it 1-2cm although it's not vital. In stronger winds (15 knots +?) you may take it out all the way to 220. Adjust the downhaul to have horizontal wrinkles until you are fully powered up and railing, then progressively tighten; sometimes I'm pulling it almost as hard as I can but that is without using a winch or harness, of course. Quite a few people use too much downhaul tension in light winds and many (most?) use too little tension in strong winds. These settings win nationals and appear to be very common at the front of the fleet.



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