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The new Windsurfer LT Reviewed in detail

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Created by albymongrel > 9 months ago, 9 Apr 2018
Chris 249
NSW, 1957 posts
10 Aug 2019 12:02PM
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AUS 814 said..



delmar71 said..
Actually further comment, just reflecting that's there's a heap of parallels. Lasers are still huge while being simple and low tech, h16's are still (!) one of the biggest off beach cat fleets (the biggest?). I raced H16's for quite a while. They're fun but, lets face it, basically a dog to sail. So many quirks and, except on a reach, not comparatively fast, but they are thrilling and the racing was cut-throat. Lots of comradeship and fun off the water as well. Sure, you glanced with envy at the tornado/taipan going wild downwind, as they steered with two fingers going deeper much faster than you, but then you got back to trying not to nose-dive as you tried to win bragging rights over your mates. I've done both, and the hobie was as much fun.

I've also spent lots of time in mountain bike racing, and single speed/rigid is a significant movement within that, as a rejection of complexity. I suspect there's lots of other parallels that bear out the point (not a motor sport guy but HQ racing used to big, I wonder what the more recent equivalent is).

Anyway, again, it just doesn't seem such a hard thing to understand, that plenty of folk aren't fussed with cutting edge and being current, but instead affordability, simplicity, etc.





Lasers might be simple and low tech but are not very comfortable to sail




Lol thanks for that info I think your humour would be more appreciated in the foil forums !
your hate seems to grow as the Wally class gets bigger , quite sad actually!


Has 814 ever attacked the LT?

Windsuffering, plenty of people respect your passion and plenty of us are also willing to defend the class against attacks - but please don't go over the top with your own attacks.

windsufering
VIC, 864 posts
10 Aug 2019 12:33PM
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windsufering said..




AUS 814 said..






delmar71 said..
Actually further comment, just reflecting that's there's a heap of parallels. Lasers are still huge while being simple and low tech, h16's are still (!) one of the biggest off beach cat fleets (the biggest?). I raced H16's for quite a while. They're fun but, lets face it, basically a dog to sail. So many quirks and, except on a reach, not comparatively fast, but they are thrilling and the racing was cut-throat. Lots of comradeship and fun off the water as well. Sure, you glanced with envy at the tornado/taipan going wild downwind, as they steered with two fingers going deeper much faster than you, but then you got back to trying not to nose-dive as you tried to win bragging rights over your mates. I've done both, and the hobie was as much fun.

I've also spent lots of time in mountain bike racing, and single speed/rigid is a significant movement within that, as a rejection of complexity. I suspect there's lots of other parallels that bear out the point (not a motor sport guy but HQ racing used to big, I wonder what the more recent equivalent is).

Anyway, again, it just doesn't seem such a hard thing to understand, that plenty of folk aren't fussed with cutting edge and being current, but instead affordability, simplicity, etc.








Lasers might be simple and low tech but are not very comfortable to sail







Lol thanks for that info I think your humour would be more appreciated in the foil forums !
your hate seems to grow as the Wally class gets bigger , quite sad actually!





Has 814 ever attacked the LT?

Windsuffering, plenty of people respect your passion and plenty of us are also willing to defend the class against attacks - but please don't go over the top with your own attacks.




My apologies I stuffed up

Chris 249
NSW, 1957 posts
10 Aug 2019 5:32PM
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Cheers.

AUS 814
NSW, 303 posts
10 Aug 2019 5:57PM
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Just to point out I do own a LT, but are fortunate to also sail raceboard and foil. I like the LT but don't think it should be our Olympic class

windsufering
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10 Aug 2019 6:17PM
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Just to point out I do own a LT, but are fortunate to also sail raceboard and foil. I like the LT but don't think it should be our Olympic class




My apologies again
Honestly my Olympic views are bring back the mistral !
but if they want slalom free style course racing and marathon in the Olympics the Wally is the only option !

windsufering
VIC, 864 posts
12 Aug 2019 3:21PM
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www.spinsheet.com/chesapeake-bay/windsurfing-whats-old-new-again

Windsurfer Lt only needs one rig

windsufering
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12 Aug 2019 7:08PM
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windsufering
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12 Aug 2019 7:10PM
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RichardG
WA, 2776 posts
26 Aug 2019 10:01PM
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Stephan van den Berg returns to the Windsurfer LT for his campaign for the new century.

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NelsonFoils
185 posts
27 Aug 2019 3:39AM
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With his old sailnumber .... Great place to sail ....

windsufering
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4 Sep 2019 2:50PM
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windsufering
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7 Sep 2019 7:45AM
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Nice Exocet RF foil board, not sure if its the 81 or 91.Even a crappy rig will get a foil out of the water !








So you don't need those exotic expensive sails with carbon booms and mast ?







Pity you don't answer the Question ??





No but you need a foil board or equivalent and of course some kind of foil.You will foil with a soft sail but wont win a PWA event. Hope that answers the question





No foot straps either

Chris 249
NSW, 1957 posts
7 Sep 2019 7:49AM
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But even the LT's foil is not going to be cheap, or for class racing. It'll just be an add-on toy.

Exocet's problem is that the LT supply can't keep up with demand.

windsufering
VIC, 864 posts
7 Sep 2019 8:11AM
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Mistral brought them all !

Chris 249
NSW, 1957 posts
7 Sep 2019 6:58PM
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I wasn't sure if Mistral was in yet, although it's obvious from their blog articles that they follow the same ideals.

I only just realised that I've been wrong in saying that the LT is the world's second fastest-selling class. It turns out that Opti sales are slowing down so the LT is actually waaaay out in front.

Ian K
WA, 3001 posts
7 Sep 2019 5:22PM
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I It turns out that Opti sales are slowing down so the LT is actually waaaay out in front.


Not for long.

windsufering
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7 Sep 2019 9:43PM
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Ian K said..

Chris 249 said..
I It turns out that Opti sales are slowing down so the LT is actually waaaay out in front.



Not for long.


That's the problem a simple boat who's ethics are being destroyed by boat manufacturers who are bending the rules to gain a unfair advantage !

Chris 249
NSW, 1957 posts
7 Sep 2019 11:25PM
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Chris 249 said..
I It turns out that Opti sales are slowing down so the LT is actually waaaay out in front.




Not for long.



Like the Laser, its sales have dropped since it started foiling. And it's probably like the Laser in that foilers will be so slow upwind that they'll be slower all-round.

One data point that's interesting is that the cats have a very organised database of performance that they use to tune their rating rule, and nowadays they reckon that adding foils adds only 2% to a cat's speed. Obviously it's not bad, but it's less than adding a spinnaker normally adds, and the few people who reckoned adding assy kites to cats would change the future were dead wrong. Foiling's cool, but in most forms of sailing it's just a tiny niche with not much actual growth despite all the hype.

The Windsurfer is a bit of a reaction against the idea that a higher max speed and more complication and expense is the way forward, and the Windsurfer's way is clearly working.

windsufering
VIC, 864 posts
14 Sep 2019 4:43PM
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Gestalt
QLD, 12206 posts
17 Sep 2019 6:19PM
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so who do we get an lt foil from

Chris 249
NSW, 1957 posts
18 Sep 2019 10:07AM
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Exocet's looking at making them, but they'll cost as much as the entire LT or more.

Gestalt
QLD, 12206 posts
18 Sep 2019 5:51PM
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bummer. been contemplating foiling

delmar71
26 posts
20 Sep 2019 9:52AM
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This might be a bit left field. I'm going to be at Port Stephens for two weeks from Boxing Day. I don't get to train/race/sail with others too much, so if anyone happens to be about it would be cool to meet up. I'll be giving the kids lessons but also doing some solid (hopefully not solo) sailing.

windsufering
VIC, 864 posts
8 Oct 2019 9:59PM
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Gestalt
QLD, 12206 posts
8 Oct 2019 9:11PM
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so so sexy

LNC
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8 Oct 2019 7:57PM
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Gestalt said..
so so sexy


"FUN",.. the proper reaction is to say/think 'Fun'. let's get this right and sell some product!

Gestalt
QLD, 12206 posts
9 Oct 2019 7:46AM
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i never was one for sales talk.

AUS4
NSW, 1048 posts
9 Oct 2019 3:42PM
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Now we're talking !!!!

Only one thing, the red dot on the sail should be on the leech.

windsufering
VIC, 864 posts
13 Oct 2019 8:47PM
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www.mistral.com/mistral-windsurfer-lt-for-2020/?cli_action=1570959743.116

clap clap clap clap clap

cammd
QLD, 2449 posts
14 Oct 2019 6:55AM
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Best looking LT yet, I bet it is faster as well. Makes me almost want one, are they available in Aus branded Mistral.



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