Windsurfing in WA

> 10 years ago
Reply
Register to post, see what you've read, and subscribe to topics.
JohnGr
JohnGr
WA
6 posts
WA, 6 posts
31 Jan 2004 12:28am
What do windsurfers in WA want out of WWA (the Windsurfing association)
Are we doing a good job?, are we doing the right job?
Is there other stuff you reckon we should be doing?
It would be great to get some feedback.



Cheers



shmage
shmage
WA
318 posts
WA, 318 posts
31 Jan 2004 8:58am
I think one of the problems with windsurfin in WA is the lack of youth in the sport. Im 17 and the number of people my age i see windsurfing is really small. I dont know why this is considering on the PWA freestyle events the are kids who are 16 ripping it up. What are they doing different to us to get young people into the sport????
I dont know what the answer is and im sure many people dont but there must be a way. Apart from this keep up the great work

shmage
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
31 Jan 2004 10:03pm
thats something ive found too not many young crew windsurfing
i dont mean that everyone are old farts but no one like shmage (17)
this is just what i think because i was the same... im 27 and have only been sailing for this season ive been surfing all my teenage years but my 'one track mind' was surfing and nothing else always wanting it to be offshore a lots of swell once there was a hint of a onshore i was off it... young kids go for the mainstream body boarding and surfing its cool and advertising is strong in those sports... me personaly never really heard much of windsurfing and had no exposure i wish if i could turn back time i would have started many years ago...
more exposure

GONE WITH THE WIND
Tozza
Tozza
WA
160 posts
WA, 160 posts
1 Feb 2004 12:57am
I reckon for young people its prolly harder for them to get into windsurfing when compared to surfing/body boarding. Firstly its cheaper to buy a surf board than a windsurfing rig, you need a car to transport all your gear around also... with surfing you can take the bus. Im 21 and still at uni so i have enough trouble getting the parents car and getting down for a sail.
Ian Grose
Ian Grose
TAS
423 posts
TAS, 423 posts
1 Feb 2004 3:59am
Good comment shmage, something I have been giving much thought to recently.

You are totally right there are a lot more young guys involed in the sport overseas.

I have certainly found Jaeger Stone (from Gero) inspirational and want to do what ever I can to get more young guys out there enjoying our great sport.

John, I would like to meet with yourself and the rest of the WWA commitee a little later in the year to discuss a youth program for next year.

Cheers,


Ian Grose
AUSWIND
Davo87
Davo87
WA
139 posts
WA, 139 posts
1 Feb 2004 11:13pm
hi i'm 16 and for me wwa could improve by having less comps during exams for school/uni. I'm mostly interested in wavesailing and was keen to go to gero and greenhead at the start of the season but found they clashed with school. Maybe you could have the scabs and cottesloe comps early in the season during school and then the further away competitions during holidays. Also it'd be great if you could get a winter waves comp going at dutchies or avalon and leave a few reserve dates so you could wait for a big front to come through.

Auswind could give discounts to students and it's not as if there going to be missing out on any profits if they sold gear at wholesale to kids because hardly anyone my age can afford new gear anyway. Or even if you could just lend out a bit of gear on competiton days because i can only afford one board at the moment which makes it pretty tough.

Another thing that would be great would be getting some of the top wa sailors to help us out with learning new moves and tricks.
shmage
shmage
WA
318 posts
WA, 318 posts
2 Feb 2004 10:06am
I think that if we get more youth into windsurfing there would be a snowball effect and the word would spread about how great windsurfing is. What Davo said about getting top people to help us would be great as when i started i knew nobody and it was pretty hard teaching myslef when everyone is double your age.

Maby what could happens is if a youth program was set up with different types of boards, sails etc. All the equipment could be placed in a trailor, like the one at lancelin and kids pay say $200 a season so they could get to use differnt boards and see what they really like. I think that this would also solve the problem of transport becuase kids could ride down knowing that everything they need is there.
I think it only needs a little push in the right direction

Shmage
Davo87
Davo87
WA
139 posts
WA, 139 posts
2 Feb 2004 11:25am
I know in nsw there's a free gear for juniors program where other sailors donate there old gear and people under 18 can pick whatever they want and the requirement is that they sail in a few competitions that year and don't sell the gear on. I reckon that could be pretty succesful and i mentioned it on my wwa membership form last year but nothing has happened about it yet.

where do you sail shmage?
JohnGr
JohnGr
WA
6 posts
WA, 6 posts
3 Feb 2004 11:08pm
Good points. It's not for lack of trying that we haven't got more in place for juniors/youths. We did actually do a bit of ground work on the free gear for juniors, but didn't manage to get it off the ground before the start of the summer and before events, comps, holidays, etc took priority. No reason why we shouldn't be able to get it sorted over the quieter part of the year .....
I agree that the youth side probably needs to have a stronger focus, and it would be good to get some specific ideas on what's best to do.

Ian, I'd be happy to talk to you about this (I plan on staying involved with WWA for yet another season at least). I'll mention to Tom at next meeting, and we can organise something for after we've sorted out the end of season stuff for 2003/4 season.

In the meantime, keep the conversations going on the junior/youth theme, it would be good to hear all the ideas that are out there.

John Grulich
WWA
silvec01
silvec01
WA
645 posts
WA, 645 posts
6 Feb 2004 10:03am
Im now 19, been sailing for about 4 year. My dad bought the families first rig, (Huge battleship with good rig components for around $1200)
I always have had a part time job sometime earning up to $800 a fortnight but usually averaging around the $250 a fortnight. Then for birthdays and christmas presents I usually get money that goes into sailing gear. I dont drink, i dont smoke, i am still living with my parent. I am able to fit working around doing an engineering double degree at the same time. I have plenty of good quality gear because as i see it, i work bloody hard, i play hard, I dont have the time to put up with crap gear. There is no reason why students whould complain about the lack of kit, work hard spend your money in windsurfing shops, and not elsewhere.

The problem I come to is that I have good race kit but I can only really compete in the local races due to the fact that I cant go and race on the 'rural' events beacuse of uni. Also i disagree with the way events are ran so close to our exams.
i am sure there are many other sailors cant travel. I think it would be better to have a race on every second weekend locally ran, ie from safety bay to pinaroo pt.

I think that the real races should start later in the season with more of the swan river, nedlands course racing being done earlier in the season. Its only febuary and the racing season is over.

Next year i want the pricing structure to change, I think that the price should be something like $50 non wwa members $30 for wwa members so that people who are good sailors can enter one or two races if they want. lets encourage people to race instead of making it hard for them.

Also I think that there should be another division in the events. Sponsered/professional Riders: for anyone who is/was/or has been sponsered or has won an open even. Lets actually make the racing scene a bit more realistic.

regards
Chad Silver


Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
6 Feb 2004 11:00pm
quote:
Originally posted by silvec01

I dont drink, i dont smoke, work hard spend your money in windsurfing shops, and not elsewhere.






good call... i thought i was the only one around... I HAVE A TWIN!

GONE WITH THE WIND
KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
1012 posts
WA, 1012 posts
18 Feb 2004 2:57pm
at last some common sence maybe these surgestions could give the new cummers to the spot an insentive to try racing with out it costing the earth to race in a class that you will never be competitive.remember when racing was for fun not just for sum . mybe you should be surrpoting novices alittle more mybe even a race result now and than .
Paul
Paul
WA
346 posts
WA, 346 posts
18 Feb 2004 5:39pm
I don't understand why there is so much focus on racing or competitions. I have raced and competed many times over the last ten years and had fun doing so. There are people out there that love to compete and I agree that there should be avenues for that. However most sailors are in it for the fun of sailing with mates and a I believe the focus should be on the social side of sailing. We all remember that one day with the mates or that trip away when the conditions were perfect.
If you are not going to be a world beater why pay $50 to enter an event plus travel costs, get knocked out first and have no second round to try again. You could pay $300 for ten minutes of sailing time, week after week.
I love the idea of coming together to sail informally like the mambo and windfest the guys tried this year.
Lets have the sponsored sailors put back by passing on tips to new sailors and running how-to sessions, instead of getting cheap gear sticking to their cliks without earning their keep.

Paul
mike
mike
WA
75 posts
WA, 75 posts
18 Feb 2004 9:32pm
I have to agree with increasing the number of social functions. Let's make the sport more fun. It's not all about racing, winning and looking the part. Let's party, relax and have "fun Days" Blasting down the coast, with your mates and a BBQ at the end.

What about an event where we sail to Rotto. Sure it can be a race, but I bet there are plenty of people out there that would do it just for FUN. WWA could organise an event like this, the kite guys did!

I understand that the racing helps to generate income etc, but what about those of us that just want to sail for fun.

ps

I think the insurance is a very good idea.
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
20 Feb 2004 1:16pm
Can we get someone like Riccardo Campello BRA 111 to do a promo here in WA what he does should get some Media coverage, and inspire the younguns

Make it attractive for him to come, who are his sponsors do they have an Aussie connection

I'm a softie at Heart
bermand
bermand
WA
247 posts
WA, 247 posts
20 Feb 2004 1:45pm
At last some sensible comments regarding races, I have been entering events for a while especially Ledge to Lancelin, Safety Bay, Snag Marathon. Recently I have noticed the slow death of the circuit, there are about 20 core sailors who attend reguarly have all the gear required and seem really committed to racing. My group of mates who have never been top sailors have slowly one by one lost enthuiasim and dropped out of competing. Personally I get the feeling that certain events are now run on their reputation and most people are more focussed on how drunk they get at the party. To me the best run event is Safety bay, they provide a great event close to Perth with regular updates on their website of results and previous years standings. I feel juniors and novices should be encouraged to enter even if they only pay for their insurance and maybe $10 entry, something has to be done to reinvigorate the circuit. Maybe a buddy system could be introduced where the top twenty sailors were paired up with some of the less accomplished this may improve the overall morale and the overall standard. Even a pairs team entry to the marathons i.e no 1 and no 40 enter together etc and the teams finishing with the best results get a small prize.
timmaaee
timmaaee
WA
7 posts
WA, 7 posts
20 Feb 2004 2:10pm
I think a bit of promoting wouldn't go astray! Take for example the Ledge to Lancelin, it is supposed to be the biggest windsurfing event in Australia and it was real hard to find any information on it at all. That was for someone who was interested in going and seeing the event, what chance does someone who doesn't know much about windsurfing or doesn't have a computer have??
Grumpy
Grumpy
WA
60 posts
WA, 60 posts
20 Feb 2004 2:32pm
I think maybe some sort of handicap system at some fun events so Joe average has some chance of competing equally with the sponsored guns. If it's good enough for Sailing & Golf, it could work for Windsurfing.

Re geeting kids involved, one key is to get the AND their mates on a board at once. Check out all successful kids sports, and in nearly all cases they get to hang together. I think the trailer full of donated/low cost gear, which rotates around several venues according to a callender
Grumpy
Grumpy
WA
60 posts
WA, 60 posts
20 Feb 2004 2:37pm
Re getting kids involved, the trailer full of cheap/donated gear is brilliant. Rotate the trailer around different locations according to a calender over the season so some kids AND their mates can rock up, pay a nominal fee, and have a sail.

The local shops should support this because, as we all know, once you they the bug they'll soon drag Mum 7 Dad into the shop to buy their own kit.
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
20 Feb 2004 3:23pm
Endorse Grumpy's Trailer Idea, willing to donate some of my old gear to help young crew out

I'm a softie at Heart
retroboy
retroboy
WA
27 posts
WA, 27 posts
20 Feb 2004 3:56pm
Speaking of promoting, this isn't really a WWA issue (but it annoys me anyway *shrugs*) but has anyone ever noticed (mostly those flying in and out of the state regularily) that for the "Windsurfing Coast" of Australia there isn't even a single windsurfing magazine in the Perth domestic airport and only ever one at the international one? I never have anything to read on the plane

"It's only early...."
shmage
shmage
WA
318 posts
WA, 318 posts
20 Feb 2004 7:30pm
I agree with you retro boy, i mean WA get so many euors every year. You go up to lancelin and half the population are euors, we cant have them invading us, what would the world come to????.
If people knew of how good WA is for windsurfing through promotion of some sort them maby it may get the picture across to people, the euros know how good it is and they are half way acros the world!!!!!.

shmage
Paul Kelf
Paul Kelf
WA
678 posts
WA, 678 posts
21 Feb 2004 1:39pm
All these ideas sound great but try to get people involved and committed for any length of time.
The same few people are relied on to organise and run everything.
The idea has a lot of potential and if someone is actually able to organise and run this properly we (Hydro) would donote and maintain a reasonable amount of Booms, Bases and Extensions, we could also store the trailer.
You then only need donations of a trailer, (maybe one of the hire companies or instructors has a spare) Trailer Towing, (a roster system could work) Sails, Masts, Harness Lines and Harnesses etc.
Although donating old gear sounds ok and would be the cheapest method I don't think it would be attractive to the kids or the best introduction to the sport as we all know how hard and frustrating it is to learn on old gear. New gear would be much better.
Talk to the importers and shop owners while the dollar is strong and maybe they will commit,(a variety of brands would be better and less outlay for individuals, (say one sail and mast per shop).
Some of the experienced sailors could help by turning up and sailing in organised spots with the kids to pass on tips etc.
It can be done but input from more people is required.
Now that we have made a commitment how about some others putting their hands up.

Paul.



Paul Kelf
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
21 Feb 2004 1:50pm
Pauls ideas are good, and require committment from others, I'm willing to committ time to the Mandurah area.

I'm a softie at Heart
silvec01
silvec01
WA
645 posts
WA, 645 posts
21 Feb 2004 3:46pm
GIVING AWAY BAD GEAR CAN HAVE NEGATIVE EFFECTS
I would rather have one kid who gets good gear then encourages him mates to get into it because he had gear that works, rather then 3-4 getting crap gear that puts them off windsurfing forever. This can not be over looked.

I also think that if you only want to enter one race it should still be economical, ie at the moment one race costs $100 for insurance and race fee. If i wasnt a youth (spending $20 for club membership and $20 on race day) I would have never tried racing.

Next year ui have secretly heard that channel 10 have sponsered that wa windsurfing tour. surely we could have a half and hour segment each week, and/or get windurfing on the tv by doing windreports each night on the TV.

I think this year WWA have learnt alot, but still must learn from it. eg look how successfu REG's cervantes weekend was. Why? because it was FREE,FUN and he was the LEADER to encourage everyone up there.

Paul Kelf
Paul Kelf
WA
678 posts
WA, 678 posts
22 Feb 2004 11:21am
Woops, forgot about boards!
Any board repairers out there with a few various size boards which could be repaired and donated?
Maybe instead of end of season discounts the importers and retailers could help out with a board each.
Remember that every guy/girl using donated gear will become a paying customer and addict.

Paul Kelf
silvec01
silvec01
WA
645 posts
WA, 645 posts
22 Feb 2004 2:28pm
quote:
Originally posted by Paul Kelf

Maybe instead of end of season discounts the importers and retailers could help out with a board each.
Remember that every guy/girl using donated gear will become a paying customer and addict.

Paul Kelf



Provided that they dont get put off windsurfing because of the trouble they had on crap gear.
Paul Kelf
Paul Kelf
WA
678 posts
WA, 678 posts
23 Feb 2004 10:48am
Chad, as I said before, new gear would be best but beggers can't be chosers.
Can we then assume you are going to donate some non crap gear?
If WWA are financial at the end of the season, instead of having a big party etc maybe they could finance some gear for under 18s.
I'm sure they could get at least wholesale prices.

Paul Kelf
Simon
Simon
WA
275 posts
WA, 275 posts
23 Feb 2004 11:32am
Hi paul,
You only have to look at the forsale forum to see there is a huge amount of cheap second hand kit out there. I honestly don't think price is a big issue, as how many kids have a computer/ palystation plus 10 or more games, loads od dvds/ vids / mobile phones etc etc.
The issue is wether they want to do the sport. At the moment the answer is no. Why not, because it is not cool to them. Surfing is cool, skateboarding is cool , playstations are cool, so lots get spent on them. Windsurfing needs to be made attrcative and cool to them. How, I do not know.I have run junior courses down here in Safety bay, bought Mirco Slides sails , offered half price rental to local kids, and still verty few takers.
If windsurfing was used in marketing for other products as it was in the 80's(remember the Surf washing Powder ad with Angus Chater) now that was really cool. Got me into the sport at the age of 12!!!!!




Simon
gowindsurfing.com
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
23 Feb 2004 11:49am
Simon makes some very valid and strong points, which makes the next task of lifting the profile of the sport to make it cool a difficult one. Not impossible, just difficult.

It's promoting of the Robi Radis's, getting the Roberto Campello's of the world over here, using some of the footage in the PlugnPlay video to promote the sport, if what Roberto BRA111 does on that is not considered cool then nothing will be

Fat middleaged winsurfers such as myself, probably trun young kids at the beach off, maybe I should make a sacrifice and give up

I'm a softie at Heart
timmaaee
timmaaee
WA
7 posts
WA, 7 posts
23 Feb 2004 1:34pm
Simon makes a very valid point...we need something to boost the sport here, anybody good enough to put on some sort of stunt demonstration for the youngens??? Maybe we could get a custom ramp built, then get some crazy hoon to jump 10 boats side by side? I reckon that would get the spectators talking?
C'mon Simon, put on a little demonstration down at Safety Bay???
Seriously though, I know quite a few people that would love to watch some sort of demonstration with experienced guys doing freestyle tricks etc..look at the crowds they get overseas, surely this would earn windsurfing some cool points???
Please Register, or first...
Topics Subscribe Reply