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christophe1974

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christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

2 Nov 2020 5:46pm

hello, my name is Chris,
Im new to this forum

i looking for some help to source 2 old style long windsurfer board for a project i have. i need boards with dagger keel .if anyone know when i might be able to get my hands on some for a low price it would be highly appreciated. Someone might have some of those old fashion board sitting in the garage collecting dust.

RichardG

3762 posts

RichardG

WA, 3762 posts

4 Nov 2020 5:43pm

Please do not turn any Mistral into this abomination you are conceiving. Thanks.

christophe1974

49 posts

christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

5 Nov 2020 11:06am

RichardG said..
Please do not turn any Mistral into this abomination you are conceiving. Thanks.

Thanks for the link, no permanent modification will be done to the boards, might be an abomination to your opinion, but if it gets me and my kids having fun on the water with a sail. i think its worth the try. worst case i use the board as it is when i want to as they will still be original. I'm sure the kit surf look like a stupid idea to some people when it first appeared ,in the few of hardcore sail guys. Time will tell if it ends out a cool and practical thing or not.

christophe1974

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christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

22 Nov 2020 7:47pm

christophe1974

49 posts

christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

22 Nov 2020 7:51pm

christophe1974 said..

No modification made to the boards. Every thing can me remove and put back if want to use as single board.. still need to fit the sail and sort out a rudder.

Zed

1274 posts

Zed

WA, 1274 posts

25 Nov 2020 2:19pm

christophe1974 said..

No modification made to the boards. Every thing can me remove and put back if want to use as single board.. still need to fit the sail and sort out a rudder.

Interesting project! Looks cool. Not sure about the PVC piping though? I would have thought one slight mishap/capsize, they would snap like a twig?

christophe1974

49 posts

christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

25 Nov 2020 6:57pm

I hope not. I used 60mm pvc pressure class 12 pipe and 90mm for the base. With tentionning cables . I am hopeful.. tested the sail at home. Seem to hold. Just need to finish the rudder

Obelix

1173 posts

Obelix

WA, 1173 posts

25 Nov 2020 7:32pm

Not tempted to foil it ?

christophe1974

49 posts

christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

25 Nov 2020 10:24pm

Yes. If someone want to donate 4 of them. 2 may not be enough

christophe1974

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christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

28 Nov 2020 2:59pm

All done. Ready for water test

decrepit

12886 posts

decrepit

WA, 12886 posts

28 Nov 2020 7:44pm

Instead of having the boards flat, it may work better if they are angled, so that the one in the water sits flat, depends I guess if you are going to sail it powered up enough to lift one hull

christophe1974

49 posts

christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

28 Nov 2020 7:48pm

Thought about this
. But too much stress on the frame having to lift one hull. More stable and solid sharing the load on both. Also max buancy having both flat.

decrepit

12886 posts

decrepit

WA, 12886 posts

29 Nov 2020 8:56am

christophe1974 said..
Thought about this
. But too much stress on the frame having to lift one hull. More stable and solid sharing the load on both. Also max buancy having both flat.

So as soon as a hull starts to lift, you're going to sheet out?
That's going to kill most of the fun.

Tardy

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Tardy

5355 posts

29 Nov 2020 11:07am

interesting design ..just wonder how your weight being at the back of the boards ...it might wheel stand ...are the seat able to come forward where more foam is ...just an observation ,i might be wrong .
or a small flotation board added to the rear .?

great design ,

decrepit

12886 posts

decrepit

WA, 12886 posts

29 Nov 2020 3:38pm

Tardy, looks like the seats are where the foot straps normally are, so it would need to be powered enough to normally get in the straps, to stop it "wheel standing"

Tardy

5355 posts

Tardy

5355 posts

29 Nov 2020 4:10pm

decrepit said..
Tardy, looks like the seats are where the foot straps normally are, so it would need to be powered enough to normally get in the straps, to stop it "wheel standing"

i would love to see it up and moving ,having the choice of been able to use bigger or smaller sails is a huge bonus over a catamaran .

hey chris ,can you post pictures of steering ,while seated ,or are you going to use the boom and only have the kids seated ?

christophe1974

49 posts

christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

29 Nov 2020 7:06pm

Tardy said..
interesting design ..just wonder how your weight being at the back of the boards ...it might wheel stand ...are the seat able to come forward where more foam is ...just an observation ,i might be wrong .
or a small flotation board added to the rear .?

great design ,

Good Observation, i had this problem when trying to find the ideal spot to sit, unfortunaly the seat is as far as possible forward due to the dagger keel in the way, also i am hoping that i am not to heavy to sink the back, and hope that the sail weight and the frame forward, makes the front goes down enough to keep the back up.. the other thing i am hoping for is because the sail is fix,, not pulled backwards like in the normail windsurf.. it may pull the back up as soon as you start moving.

christophe1974

49 posts

christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

29 Nov 2020 7:08pm

also hoping that having 2 boards locked to each other will give me more buoyancy to compensate for the rear body weight, i have to say the foot strap were all far back, so the board is meant to go quick with rear weight. should be testing tomorrow or tuesday.

decrepit

12886 posts

decrepit

WA, 12886 posts

29 Nov 2020 8:49pm

Good luck mate

christophe1974

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christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

30 Nov 2020 7:40pm

Tardy said..

decrepit said..
Tardy, looks like the seats are where the foot straps normally are, so it would need to be powered enough to normally get in the straps, to stop it "wheel standing"

christophe1974

49 posts

christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

30 Nov 2020 7:41pm

Trying it Tommorrow at luckybay.. around 11am.

christophe1974

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christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

1 Dec 2020 6:13pm

The day has come.. I tried it on the river today. With quite strong wind. Sometimes you Got to run before you can walk. Lot of flex in the frame. But nothing broke. Rudder need to be bigger and add 2 more tension ropes for mast as security. Thanks for the support and the thumbs up of the guys that were there. Bottom line it's working and not wheeling up at all.. also pretty quick. A link for a YouTube video should be available in 2 hours.

christophe1974

49 posts

christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

1 Dec 2020 9:11pm

Link to the maiden

christophe1974

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christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

1 Dec 2020 9:11pm

Link to the maiden

photosbykarlo

236 posts

photosbykarlo

236 posts

2 Dec 2020 6:13am

Gold, but were are the Kids, even the Titanic had a full complement on it's maiden :)

So what's the next step - foils

christophe1974

49 posts

christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

2 Dec 2020 10:01am

HI, No kids for maiden, was trying to avoid the casualties, in case of ending like the titanic, but maiden was not so bad, i should be trying again on Wednesday or Thursday with the new improvements. looking into a custom made foil fitted where the back fins were to raise the back a little while moving.

regarding the foil, i am thinking of using 2 pair of hydrofoil,
www.bcf.com.au/p/blueline-hydrofoil-to-50hp/329254.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIx733k5yu7QIVuoNLBR2SRAi5EAQYASABEgJBM_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

what do you think,, to lift the stern where i sit, cheap option i think

AUS 808

518 posts

AUS 808

WA, 518 posts

2 Dec 2020 10:09am

christophe1974 said..

Link to the maiden

I think you are sitting on the wrong side, if it gets wind you will capsize.
The Poly Pipe won't last but the basic design seems to work

christophe1974

49 posts

christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

2 Dec 2020 10:24am

AUS 808 said..

christophe1974 said..

Link to the maiden

I think you are sitting on the wrong side, if it gets wind you will capsize.
The Poly Pipe won't last but the basic design seems to work

Fair point. it did get wind though. i did change side.. so not sure which one is the wrong one. you mean be the opposite side of the sail?

christophe1974

49 posts

christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

2 Dec 2020 10:26am

thinking of using those at the back, where the fins goes.

www.bcf.com.au/p/blueline-hydrofoil-to-50hp/329254.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIx733k5yu7QIVuoNLBR2SRAi5EAQYASABEgJBM_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Jacko51

226 posts

Jacko51

SA, 226 posts

2 Dec 2020 4:17pm

Your Rudder may not be too small. Need a rudder on each hull and you are not using it correctly. Should be pointing down not parallel like in the vid.
And maybe some foils like these - Goodall Foiling VIPER (goodalldesign.net) instead of the centreboards

christophe1974

49 posts

christophe1974

WA, 49 posts

2 Dec 2020 5:23pm

I have modified the Rudder today with a large and deeper plate. Should have more authority. . Hope the pvc last long enough to have some fun. The beauty with the pvc is that it is easy to replace.

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