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AFS Silk - ultimate wave riding foil

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Created by MProject04 > 9 months ago, 19 Apr 2023
foilthegreats
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30 Nov 2023 8:47PM
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1 session in on the 1050. They're not kidding calling this foil the Silk. It is super smooth and buttery. It really ticks all the boxes. This is exactly what I want in a foil.

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Sounds super good! How is the pumping and glide with the 1050 and what is your weight, please? Are there any negatives on 1050?


It has great pump and glide. I'm 80kg without equipment. I've only had 2 sessions. I'm still formulating my opinion.

foilthegreats
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30 Nov 2023 8:53PM
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For those on the gear - what would you recommend as a 2 foil quiver and what tails?

Im 175 lbs, advanced wing foiler, freeride, jumping, wave riding, downingd winging, riding in 10-35 knots, generally messy waves and downwind conditions in the Northeast USA. I value a wide power/speed range from my foils and this is why Im leaning towards the AFS gear.

I was on Takuma gear for a long time and loved the foot pressure, Pop for jumping, ease of breaching, and lack of pitchiness. I have more recently been on Unifoil gear and love how the the Progression 125 surfs, but don't love how range-bound the gear is otherwise (works well within a power/speed range, but doesn't like to go out of it). THe progression 140 is too slow and the Hyper 2 series is kind of pitchy and wild. Because of the lack of range, I wound up buying way too many foils, and I prefer to have a more focused quiver.

Is the Silk 850/1050 the right quiver, or would you have a silk and a Pure? Is 850/1050 too much overlap and do I have enough high/low end for my conditions there? What tails?

Hoping to find my unicorn!

Thanks


I'd go 850 and 1050 with their respective stabilizers. I haven't tried any other AFS gear. They both have a crazy wide range. The 1050 has noticeably better glide. You can push these foils super hard and they just want more. Overall I'm still formulating my opinion but these are amazing and I purchased my demo kit at full retail.

MProject04
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1 Dec 2023 2:45AM
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foilthegreats said..

Velocicraptor said..
For those on the gear - what would you recommend as a 2 foil quiver and what tails?

Im 175 lbs, advanced wing foiler, freeride, jumping, wave riding, downingd winging, riding in 10-35 knots, generally messy waves and downwind conditions in the Northeast USA. I value a wide power/speed range from my foils and this is why Im leaning towards the AFS gear.

I was on Takuma gear for a long time and loved the foot pressure, Pop for jumping, ease of breaching, and lack of pitchiness. I have more recently been on Unifoil gear and love how the the Progression 125 surfs, but don't love how range-bound the gear is otherwise (works well within a power/speed range, but doesn't like to go out of it). THe progression 140 is too slow and the Hyper 2 series is kind of pitchy and wild. Because of the lack of range, I wound up buying way too many foils, and I prefer to have a more focused quiver.

Is the Silk 850/1050 the right quiver, or would you have a silk and a Pure? Is 850/1050 too much overlap and do I have enough high/low end for my conditions there? What tails?

Hoping to find my unicorn!

Thanks



I'd go 850 and 1050 with their respective stabilizers. I haven't tried any other AFS gear. They both have a crazy wide range. The 1050 has noticeably better glide. You can push these foils super hard and they just want more. Overall I'm still formulating my opinion but these are amazing and I purchased my demo kit at full retail.


What do you make of the fuselink connection? Is the entire foil m8 screws or a mix of m6 and M8?

My AFS winDfoil came with M6 screws.. no issues but somehow M8 feels more reassuring. Thks!

foilthegreats
522 posts
1 Dec 2023 5:24AM
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foilthegreats said..



Velocicraptor said..
For those on the gear - what would you recommend as a 2 foil quiver and what tails?

Im 175 lbs, advanced wing foiler, freeride, jumping, wave riding, downingd winging, riding in 10-35 knots, generally messy waves and downwind conditions in the Northeast USA. I value a wide power/speed range from my foils and this is why Im leaning towards the AFS gear.

I was on Takuma gear for a long time and loved the foot pressure, Pop for jumping, ease of breaching, and lack of pitchiness. I have more recently been on Unifoil gear and love how the the Progression 125 surfs, but don't love how range-bound the gear is otherwise (works well within a power/speed range, but doesn't like to go out of it). THe progression 140 is too slow and the Hyper 2 series is kind of pitchy and wild. Because of the lack of range, I wound up buying way too many foils, and I prefer to have a more focused quiver.

Is the Silk 850/1050 the right quiver, or would you have a silk and a Pure? Is 850/1050 too much overlap and do I have enough high/low end for my conditions there? What tails?

Hoping to find my unicorn!

Thanks





I'd go 850 and 1050 with their respective stabilizers. I haven't tried any other AFS gear. They both have a crazy wide range. The 1050 has noticeably better glide. You can push these foils super hard and they just want more. Overall I'm still formulating my opinion but these are amazing and I purchased my demo kit at full retail.




What do you make of the fuselink connection? Is the entire foil m8 screws or a mix of m6 and M8?

My AFS winDfoil came with M6 screws.. no issues but somehow M8 feels more reassuring. Thks!


It is solid, basically a butt joint.
M8 for fuselage and board connections. M6 30mm for stabilizer (the industry standard)

Velocicraptor
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1 Dec 2023 5:41AM
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foilthegreats said..





Velocicraptor said..
For those on the gear - what would you recommend as a 2 foil quiver and what tails?

Im 175 lbs, advanced wing foiler, freeride, jumping, wave riding, downingd winging, riding in 10-35 knots, generally messy waves and downwind conditions in the Northeast USA. I value a wide power/speed range from my foils and this is why Im leaning towards the AFS gear.

I was on Takuma gear for a long time and loved the foot pressure, Pop for jumping, ease of breaching, and lack of pitchiness. I have more recently been on Unifoil gear and love how the the Progression 125 surfs, but don't love how range-bound the gear is otherwise (works well within a power/speed range, but doesn't like to go out of it). THe progression 140 is too slow and the Hyper 2 series is kind of pitchy and wild. Because of the lack of range, I wound up buying way too many foils, and I prefer to have a more focused quiver.

Is the Silk 850/1050 the right quiver, or would you have a silk and a Pure? Is 850/1050 too much overlap and do I have enough high/low end for my conditions there? What tails?

Hoping to find my unicorn!

Thanks







I'd go 850 and 1050 with their respective stabilizers. I haven't tried any other AFS gear. They both have a crazy wide range. The 1050 has noticeably better glide. You can push these foils super hard and they just want more. Overall I'm still formulating my opinion but these are amazing and I purchased my demo kit at full retail.






What do you make of the fuselink connection? Is the entire foil m8 screws or a mix of m6 and M8?

My AFS winDfoil came with M6 screws.. no issues but somehow M8 feels more reassuring. Thks!




It is solid, basically a butt joint.
M8 for fuselage and board connections. M6 30mm for stabilizer (the industry standard)



Any comparisons between the Silk 1050 and the Kujira 1095?

Super curious about all these foils a bit of info coming out on the Silks, but the Pures are still hard to find reports on. Really curious how to differentiate some of the options that aren't totally different in dims (Silk 850 vs Pure 900...).

halfwaythere
29 posts
1 Dec 2023 2:18PM
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Anyone have experience riding Code, F4 GP, and AFS Silk or Pure? Those are my current candiates to switch to from Kujira 1095 and Unifoil. Probably can't go wrong but would really like to get something that can handle speed, surfing, and doesn't ventilate when you push it. Btw, 1095 is great overall just need something that can handle 25mph+ and still surf at slower speed. Tall order but sounds like that's in the wheelhouse of the 850 Silk. I hear so many great things about the other 2 though. Coin flip?

r0d
106 posts
1 Dec 2023 11:53PM
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I've used the F4 GP wings on a couple of occasions. I used the 1200, 1000 and the 815. I couldn't get them settled with either of my boards: AK phazer and a Blue Fox custom. They became very pitch unstable over 21 knots. No such problems with the AFS foils.
I'm not really sure why this was and I know other people have used them with success.
The carbon engineering and split fuselage system on the F4 GP wings is next level. Up there with the AFS engineering.

Velocicraptor
507 posts
3 Dec 2023 8:20PM
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Could someone roughly measure a silk (and a pure 1100 if possible) from the front of the foil to the end of the fuse? Want to make sure these aren't going to be a total PIA to pack into a board bag. Thanks

foilthegreats
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3 Dec 2023 8:54PM
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Velocicraptor said..
Could someone roughly measure a silk (and a pure 1100 if possible) from the front of the foil to the end of the fuse? Want to make sure these aren't going to be a total PIA to pack into a board bag. Thanks


They're a PIA to pack. I'll get you measurements but I think I'll need a bag 42' by 42' to pack the foils nicely. Any bag recommendations???

halfwaythere
29 posts
4 Dec 2023 5:58AM
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Anyone tried a longer mast than the 80cm for winging with the Silk foils? Sounds like the 95cm mast is compatible but wanted to see how it rides (different rake angle?) and fits.

I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on AFS Silk 1050 and 850 but hoping to get some more info on the best winging mast at this point. Also would love to get feedback on a comparison with Code.

r0d
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4 Dec 2023 7:26AM
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Velocicraptor said..
Could someone roughly measure a silk (and a pure 1100 if possible) from the front of the foil to the end of the fuse? Want to make sure these aren't going to be a total PIA to pack into a board bag. Thanks


Silk 1050 is 70cm

Stingersup
WA, 93 posts
4 Dec 2023 12:31PM
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Velocicraptor said..
Could someone roughly measure a silk (and a pure 1100 if possible) from the front of the foil to the end of the fuse? Want to make sure these aren't going to be a total PIA to pack into a board bag. Thanks

The 850 is 69cm

halfwaythere
29 posts
4 Dec 2023 4:27PM
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Are the Silks redesigned Kujiras or pretty much the same shape, thickness, and foil section?

sunsetsailboards
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5 Dec 2023 3:35AM
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Anyone tried a longer mast than the 80cm for winging with the Silk foils? Sounds like the 95cm mast is compatible but wanted to see how it rides (different rake angle?) and fits.

I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on AFS Silk 1050 and 850 but hoping to get some more info on the best winging mast at this point. Also would love to get feedback on a comparison with Code.


they only had set up with 80cm at the AWSI show, so that is all i have ridden it with. It is compatible with the 95cm race mast, but that mast is quite a bit heavier and I think a thinner profile for racing (12mm vs 14mm or so). They will have new Fuse Link masts in 75, 80, & 85 as well to pair with the Silk and Pure HA lines, but looks like the 95 mast on offer is the race mast.

Britfoil360
52 posts
5 Dec 2023 3:40AM
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halfwaythere said..
Anyone tried a longer mast than the 80cm for winging with the Silk foils? Sounds like the 95cm mast is compatible but wanted to see how it rides (different rake angle?) and fits.

I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on AFS Silk 1050 and 850 but hoping to get some more info on the best winging mast at this point. Also would love to get feedback on a comparison with Code.



I contacted AFS and they said that the race mast is compatible.
they also said that the Silk mast has no rake but the race mast does have rake but it can be corrected by shimming the mast to board connection.

PS , you can always contact AFS directly via their website as they answered all my questions

halfwaythere
29 posts
5 Dec 2023 9:29AM
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halfwaythere said..
Anyone tried a longer mast than the 80cm for winging with the Silk foils? Sounds like the 95cm mast is compatible but wanted to see how it rides (different rake angle?) and fits.

I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on AFS Silk 1050 and 850 but hoping to get some more info on the best winging mast at this point. Also would love to get feedback on a comparison with Code.








I contacted AFS and they said that the race mast is compatible.
they also said that the Silk mast has no rake but the race mast does have rake but it can be corrected by shimming the mast to board connection.

PS , you can always contact AFS directly via their website as they answered all my questions






Thanks for the info. I wanted to get an unbiased view about how the longer mast rides, but have reached out to an AFS dealer for more details. Ack that my question to response ratio is getting a little high :). If I end up getting the set up, I'll provide a review to make up for it!

sunsetsailboards
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5 Dec 2023 2:27PM
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halfwaythere said..

Britfoil360 said..






halfwaythere said..
Anyone tried a longer mast than the 80cm for winging with the Silk foils? Sounds like the 95cm mast is compatible but wanted to see how it rides (different rake angle?) and fits.

I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on AFS Silk 1050 and 850 but hoping to get some more info on the best winging mast at this point. Also would love to get feedback on a comparison with Code.









I contacted AFS and they said that the race mast is compatible.
they also said that the Silk mast has no rake but the race mast does have rake but it can be corrected by shimming the mast to board connection.

PS , you can always contact AFS directly via their website as they answered all my questions







Thanks for the info. I wanted to get an unbiased view about how the longer mast rides, but have reached out to an AFS dealer for more details. Ack that my question to response ratio is getting a little high :). If I end up getting the set up, I'll provide a review to make up for it!


don't know where you're located, but if you're in California, you are welcome to demo my foils... or maybe I can mail them to you for demo... we are I the offseason here.

Britfoil360
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5 Dec 2023 4:28PM
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halfwaythere said..

Britfoil360 said..






halfwaythere said..
Anyone tried a longer mast than the 80cm for winging with the Silk foils? Sounds like the 95cm mast is compatible but wanted to see how it rides (different rake angle?) and fits.

I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on AFS Silk 1050 and 850 but hoping to get some more info on the best winging mast at this point. Also would love to get feedback on a comparison with Code.









I contacted AFS and they said that the race mast is compatible.
they also said that the Silk mast has no rake but the race mast does have rake but it can be corrected by shimming the mast to board connection.

PS , you can always contact AFS directly via their website as they answered all my questions







Thanks for the info. I wanted to get an unbiased view about how the longer mast rides, but have reached out to an AFS dealer for more details. Ack that my question to response ratio is getting a little high :). If I end up getting the set up, I'll provide a review to make up for it!

Another thing to mention is that when I measured a Pure setup up with a 97 UHM Mast that that was the total overall length from board side of the baseplate to the furthest side of the fuselage. Whereas most manufacturers measure the distance to the nearest side of the fuselage for their mast length I.e Sabfoil , Armstrong.
im not sure if that's the same with a silk setup , but if it is then that would make a 80cm AFS Silk mast about a 75-6 cm by other manufacturers standards .

Velocicraptor
507 posts
6 Dec 2023 12:52AM
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foilthegreats said..

Velocicraptor said..
Could someone roughly measure a silk (and a pure 1100 if possible) from the front of the foil to the end of the fuse? Want to make sure these aren't going to be a total PIA to pack into a board bag. Thanks



They're a PIA to pack. I'll get you measurements but I think I'll need a bag 42' by 42' to pack the foils nicely. Any bag recommendations???


Check out "Cornhole" board carrying bags. You can buy a padded one on Amazon for $40 and it looks like the dimensions could be almost perfect. I'm going to try a few out and will report back.

sunsetsailboards
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6 Dec 2023 1:12AM
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Velocicraptor said..

foilthegreats said..


Velocicraptor said..
Could someone roughly measure a silk (and a pure 1100 if possible) from the front of the foil to the end of the fuse? Want to make sure these aren't going to be a total PIA to pack into a board bag. Thanks




They're a PIA to pack. I'll get you measurements but I think I'll need a bag 42' by 42' to pack the foils nicely. Any bag recommendations???



Check out "Cornhole" board carrying bags. You can buy a padded one on Amazon for $40 and it looks like the dimensions could be almost perfect. I'm going to try a few out and will report back.


I hear boogie board cases too.... but seriously people travel with cornhole boards? I mean that's kind of awesome.

halfwaythere
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6 Dec 2023 10:38AM
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halfwaythere said..


Britfoil360 said..







halfwaythere said..
Anyone tried a longer mast than the 80cm for winging with the Silk foils? Sounds like the 95cm mast is compatible but wanted to see how it rides (different rake angle?) and fits.

I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on AFS Silk 1050 and 850 but hoping to get some more info on the best winging mast at this point. Also would love to get feedback on a comparison with Code.










I contacted AFS and they said that the race mast is compatible.
they also said that the Silk mast has no rake but the race mast does have rake but it can be corrected by shimming the mast to board connection.

PS , you can always contact AFS directly via their website as they answered all my questions








Thanks for the info. I wanted to get an unbiased view about how the longer mast rides, but have reached out to an AFS dealer for more details. Ack that my question to response ratio is getting a little high :). If I end up getting the set up, I'll provide a review to make up for it!



don't know where you're located, but if you're in California, you are welcome to demo my foils... or maybe I can mail them to you for demo... we are I the offseason here.


SF East bay. Didn't realize you were carrying AFS. I'll ping you on Messenger. Like you said windy season is over so not sure what the demo options are or when but we can sort something out.

patronus
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6 Dec 2023 5:35PM
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Britfoil360 said..

halfwaythere said..


Britfoil360 said..







halfwaythere said..
Anyone tried a longer mast than the 80cm for winging with the Silk foils? Sounds like the 95cm mast is compatible but wanted to see how it rides (different rake angle?) and fits.

I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on AFS Silk 1050 and 850 but hoping to get some more info on the best winging mast at this point. Also would love to get feedback on a comparison with Code.










I contacted AFS and they said that the race mast is compatible.
they also said that the Silk mast has no rake but the race mast does have rake but it can be corrected by shimming the mast to board connection.

PS , you can always contact AFS directly via their website as they answered all my questions








Thanks for the info. I wanted to get an unbiased view about how the longer mast rides, but have reached out to an AFS dealer for more details. Ack that my question to response ratio is getting a little high :). If I end up getting the set up, I'll provide a review to make up for it!


Another thing to mention is that when I measured a Pure setup up with a 97 UHM Mast that that was the total overall length from board side of the baseplate to the furthest side of the fuselage. Whereas most manufacturers measure the distance to the nearest side of the fuselage for their mast length I.e Sabfoil , Armstrong.
im not sure if that's the same with a silk setup , but if it is then that would make a 80cm AFS Silk mast about a 75-6 cm by other manufacturers standards .

Other day I was glad to be on 90 mast (other brand) in big chop. Mate on 80 mast + Silk 850 had no problems, he reckoned as can ride high without breaching.

foilthegreats
522 posts
6 Dec 2023 7:55PM
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Britfoil360 said..


halfwaythere said..



Britfoil360 said..








halfwaythere said..
Anyone tried a longer mast than the 80cm for winging with the Silk foils? Sounds like the 95cm mast is compatible but wanted to see how it rides (different rake angle?) and fits.

I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on AFS Silk 1050 and 850 but hoping to get some more info on the best winging mast at this point. Also would love to get feedback on a comparison with Code.











I contacted AFS and they said that the race mast is compatible.
they also said that the Silk mast has no rake but the race mast does have rake but it can be corrected by shimming the mast to board connection.

PS , you can always contact AFS directly via their website as they answered all my questions









Thanks for the info. I wanted to get an unbiased view about how the longer mast rides, but have reached out to an AFS dealer for more details. Ack that my question to response ratio is getting a little high :). If I end up getting the set up, I'll provide a review to make up for it!



Another thing to mention is that when I measured a Pure setup up with a 97 UHM Mast that that was the total overall length from board side of the baseplate to the furthest side of the fuselage. Whereas most manufacturers measure the distance to the nearest side of the fuselage for their mast length I.e Sabfoil , Armstrong.
im not sure if that's the same with a silk setup , but if it is then that would make a 80cm AFS Silk mast about a 75-6 cm by other manufacturers standards .


Other day I was glad to be on 90 mast (other brand) in big chop. Mate on 80 mast + Silk 850 had no problems, he reckoned as can ride high without breaching.


I agree, foil likes to stay in the water. Never feel over foiled. Super user friendly in that way. I personally don't like super long masts as I find you lose too much control over the foil. Foil becomes laggy. On a surf foil like this you want to stay connected as much as possible. Maybe in flat water and speed runs but if surfing aggressively longer masts are a downgrade in my opinion.

Stingersup
WA, 93 posts
7 Dec 2023 8:01AM
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My 1050 silk turned up the other day and so far I've had a wing session and a couple of short sup downwind runs on it.
Basically it felt like a toned down 850, with everything happening just that little bit slower. It still has the silky smooth handling and impeccable manners of the 850.
On the wing I ran it with a 0.5' shim to just open up the speed range without excessive front foot pressure. I felt like it could have done with a little bit more shimming when going faster. In a first for me though I managed to ride a boat wake into wind with the wing flagged out trying to drag me off the back of the wake. So the efficiency is definitely there.
Yesterday I did a couple of short sup downwind runs to dial in mast position and gauge how it paddled up. On the first run I used a .75' tail shim. It paddled up and cruised along really nicely but felt like the mast needed to come back a touch and that it was over shimmed.
So second run pulled the shim out and moved the mast back about a centimetre. The paddle up was more controlled and the ride felt better balanced. Speed to link bumps just appears and its turning potential is incredible. I'm really looking forward to clocking some longer runs in on this foil.
So at this stage I'm thinking for winging I'll run a 0.5-1' shim to open the speed window as wide as possible. For sup downwind and probably surfing it looks like no shim is the go.
Last night I sent an email to AFS asking if they'd consider a higher aspect Silk foil. Apparently they're working on it.
Exciting times.

Stingersup
WA, 93 posts
19 Dec 2023 2:09PM
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I"ve now clocked 150+km on the silk 1050.
About a 50/50 mix of wing sessions and sup foil downwinding.
Have to say I'm really stoked with this foil. I've ocean downwinded it in winds ranging from about 13-25kts. It paddles up nearly as easily as a takuma 1440 yet has speed on tap when needed. Haven't felt close to being maxed out yet. It's super playful with dream like turning, really good pumpability and impressive glide for its aspect ratio. Messed up water conditions don't seem to upset it at all. Just ride, take the lines you want and let the foil take care of the details.
With the wing I've used in winds from 10-25kts on the river and all of the above applies. For ocean use where there's some more wave energy I'd probably prefer to use the 850 instead, unless the wind was light.If you don't feel the need to push the upper speed limits of this foil or prefer a less front footed feeling I've found no shim works well.
This foil probably won't win you a downwind race against the higher aspect foils about these days, but damn you'll have a lot of fun along the way.

Cheers
Mike

usa22
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26 Dec 2023 4:38AM
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Having a few sessions now on the Silk 850/142/85uhm, really impressed of that foil. It can do it all, not only wave. Super agile with easy control, plus not slow for a wavefoil. And you feel having only 3kg under your feet.










r0d
106 posts
28 Dec 2023 4:45AM
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Usa22 great pics. Didn't know that AFS are now doing an 85 fuselink mast too.

usa22
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28 Dec 2023 5:19AM
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yes, they do from 75 to 95cm all 5cm now. 85cm feels good for me with wing, still super agile.

usa22
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3 Jan 2024 4:31AM
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I've winged the Pure 1100, Pure 700 and the Silk 1050.
I enjoyed the Pure, it's fast (but not really race fast) and got me to 24knots easily. It's quite user friendly. The Pure 1100 is a gliding monster, its easy to keep going in nearly no wind.
However the Silk was a revelation. I've never used a foil that was so turny and yet so stable with so much glide. So playful. In fact I've just ordered one for a one foil wave quiver. Tacks and 360s were just so easy, and it pumps well too.

I had some fun jumps too, the whole foils weighs about 2.75kg and is as stiff as, so jumping it felt like there was no foil!

The mast is 13mm thick, and very very stiff (and I'm used to Axis alu).

(for reference I've currently got a Unifoil Hyper 170 and before that had various ART and HPS Axis foils).


What you wrote is pretty exact the difference to other foils out there "I've never used a foil that was so turny and yet so stable with so much glide. So playful." Plus easy to ride in all conditions with super low weight.

Regarding your Gps-Runs: do you always use the recommended Stabis, or the HA for speed?

r0d
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3 Jan 2024 6:44AM
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Regarding your Gps-Runs: do you always use the recommended Stabis, or the HA for speed?


I've just used the stab that comes with each foil. No shims or experiments.



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